Bears: a modest proposal.

DewiMorgan · August 2020

It is well-known that bears have giant fat asses, which causes them to get in everyone's way, when looting, crafting, speaking with vendors, bankers and other assorted interactions, since combat pets cannot be intangibly clicked-through like cosmetic pets, mounts and other players can be.

Refs:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/532194/please-do-something-about-warden-bears
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/532941/warden-pet-bear-becoming-a-nuisance
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/507861/hopping-mad-warden-bears-are-a-pain-in-the-rear-when-looting
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385732/new-player-sorry-about-the-bear
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408447/familiars-and-twilights-and-bears-oh-my
...etc.

It occurs to me, this means they must be tangible. One might hence conclude they are pokable.

So I modestly propose that Sheogorath's Fork of Horripilation be made available as a Memento. And that the action of the memento is to poke the nearest bear right in its fat ass, in a gory and orgiastic spectacle of ursine colophagy!

Once the bear has been eaten, it should be unceremoniously unsummoned, and all within 20m should break into cheering and applause.

This would certainly be easier for ZoS to implement than making non-hostile pets click-throughable, right?

gatekeeper13 · August 2020

My Kjajiit NB trying to speak to the NPC but a Warden's bear was sitting right on top of him. Took like 3 min for it's owner to move it.

Syldras · August 2020

DewiMorgan wrote: »

This would certainly be easier for ZoS to implement than making non-hostile pets click-throughable, right?

Wasn't that already scheduled for some upcoming update?

SydneyGrey · August 2020

As soon as I heard the warden was going to include bears, I knew this would be an issue. I wished they'd made them smaller wolves instead.

DewiMorgan · December 2020

Syldras wrote: »

DewiMorgan wrote: »

This would certainly be easier for ZoS to implement than making non-hostile pets click-throughable, right?

Wasn't that already scheduled for some upcoming update?

Apparently not.

Guess we need to get out the bear-forks, instead.

Araneae6537 · December 2020

SydneyGrey wrote: »

As soon as I heard the warden was going to include bears, I knew this would be an issue. I wished they'd made them smaller wolves instead.

Agreed! Wolves would be cool, or a Morrowind-themed creature like the rest of the animal summoning skills, such as an alit or dreugh.

vestahls · December 2020

I would absolutely support this, on the condition that we could also use it on the Warden n'wahs who summoned the bear in the first place!
After all, it's not the bear's fault.

Uryel · December 2020

Do that to sorcerer's pets too and I'm sold.

katorga · December 2020

Please, please, please change the model for the Matriarch and reduce its size to 1/3 current. C'mon you already the models with the non-combat pets. If you can't do that, give me a command I can hotkey to unsummon.

Aside from the hassle it causes other players, just moving around the wing flaps obscure a portion of my screen. It is the most annoying thing ever.

zaria · December 2020

katorga wrote: »

Please, please, please change the model for the Matriarch and reduce its size to 1/3 current. C'mon you already the models with the non-combat pets. If you can't do that, give me a command I can hotkey to unsummon.

Aside from the hassle it causes other players, just moving around the wing flaps obscure a portion of my screen. It is the most annoying thing ever.

Have the Matriarch land out of combat settings like the non combat flying pets.
It would solve that problem and would look both cool and cute.

Zulera301 · December 2020

Bears should be instantly unsummoned every time combat ends.

Is it unreasonable? Yes. Is it what your unreasonable A deserves for blocking every craft table, quest turn-in, loot container, and NPC under the sun? Yes. Yes it absolutely is.

Faiza · December 2020

katorga wrote: »

Please, please, please change the model for the Matriarch and reduce its size to 1/3 current. C'mon you already the models with the non-combat pets. If you can't do that, give me a command I can hotkey to unsummon.

Aside from the hassle it causes other players, just moving around the wing flaps obscure a portion of my screen. It is the most annoying thing ever.

if you are on pc, i use lui extended to hotkey unsummoning

redspecter23 · December 2020

DewiMorgan wrote: »

It is well-known that bears have giant fat asses, which causes them to get in everyone's way, when looting, crafting, speaking with vendors, bankers and other assorted interactions, since combat pets cannot be intangibly clicked-through like cosmetic pets, mounts and other players can be.

Refs:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/532194/please-do-something-about-warden-bears
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/532941/warden-pet-bear-becoming-a-nuisance
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/507861/hopping-mad-warden-bears-are-a-pain-in-the-rear-when-looting
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385732/new-player-sorry-about-the-bear
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408447/familiars-and-twilights-and-bears-oh-my
...etc.

It occurs to me, this means they must be tangible. One might hence conclude they are pokable.

So I modestly propose that Sheogorath's Fork of Horripilation be made available as a Memento. And that the action of the memento is to poke the nearest bear right in its fat ass, in a gory and orgiastic spectacle of ursine colophagy!

Once the bear has been eaten, it should be unceremoniously unsummoned, and all within 20m should break into cheering and applause.

This would certainly be easier for ZoS to implement than making non-hostile pets click-throughable, right?

I think I just found my new religion.

Minyassa · December 2020

zaria wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Please, please, please change the model for the Matriarch and reduce its size to 1/3 current. C'mon you already the models with the non-combat pets. If you can't do that, give me a command I can hotkey to unsummon.

Aside from the hassle it causes other players, just moving around the wing flaps obscure a portion of my screen. It is the most annoying thing ever.

Have the Matriarch land out of combat settings like the non combat flying pets.
It would solve that problem and would look both cool and cute.

THIS!!! I've seen a perched Matriarch, in a quest, and it's freakin' adorable!

DewiMorgan · December 2020

zaria wrote: »

Have the Matriarch land out of combat settings like the non combat flying pets.
It would solve that problem and would look both cool and cute.

That'd be cool, and would solve a problem I have, too. it's a silly thing, so I've not bothered to report it, but... the beat of their wings makes me nauseous. Frustrating since my main's a sorc!

There's something about the arrhythmic beat that, if I'm stood for any length of time in one place, I have to unsummon or get a kind of queasy motion sickness.

Mind you, if I'm in a populated place and not in combat, I unsummon my pets anyway: it's just polite! I'd do that even if they fixed the not-click-throughability of them.

But not being able to stand idle with them even out in the wilds is kinda sad. I like my pet companions.

Athan1 · December 2020

Or just don't play a pet class.. imho they're ugly anyway.

MirandaSharp · December 2020

DewiMorgan wrote: »

It is well-known that bears have giant fat asses, which causes them to get in everyone's way, when looting, crafting, speaking with vendors, bankers and other assorted interactions, since combat pets cannot be intangibly clicked-through like cosmetic pets, mounts and other players can be.

Refs:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/532194/please-do-something-about-warden-bears
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/532941/warden-pet-bear-becoming-a-nuisance
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/507861/hopping-mad-warden-bears-are-a-pain-in-the-rear-when-looting
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385732/new-player-sorry-about-the-bear
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408447/familiars-and-twilights-and-bears-oh-my
...etc.

It occurs to me, this means they must be tangible. One might hence conclude they are pokable.

So I modestly propose that Sheogorath's Fork of Horripilation be made available as a Memento. And that the action of the memento is to poke the nearest bear right in its fat ass, in a gory and orgiastic spectacle of ursine colophagy!

Once the bear has been eaten, it should be unceremoniously unsummoned, and all within 20m should break into cheering and applause.

This would certainly be easier for ZoS to implement than making non-hostile pets click-throughable, right?

Don't want to sound bearish, but as a tank the Daedroths are my biggest gripe in the pet department.. They breath fire all over the boss while blocking my view. The warden bears are more fun in a civilian context. Blocking up the bank.... -Well, the market looks bearish today! -Wardens bring bears, the undaunted get pelted!! -Who can bear it? Wardens, only wardens..

LadyNalcarya · December 2020

Athan1 wrote: »

Or just don't play a pet class.. imho they're ugly anyway.

Your class doesn't matter, other people's pets can block stuff for you anyway.

SammyKhajit · December 2020

I just want the bears and pets in general to be smaller: cub-size warden bear; nixiad sized winged whatever and so on.

MirandaSharp · December 2020

SammyKhajit wrote: »

I just want the bears and pets in general to be smaller: cub-size warden bear; nixiad sized winged whatever and so on.

Just make them translucent like the Selene bear..

SammyKhajit · December 2020

MirandaSharp wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

I just want the bears and pets in general to be smaller: cub-size warden bear; nixiad sized winged whatever and so on.

Just make them translucent like the Selene bear..

If the translucent pet won’t block sky shards/crafting stations/quest giver, that will work. But I think it’s their larger than life proportion that’s the problem.

I am leveling a Warden and it’s a pain to have the bear always blocking everything. Yeah, ok that’s a quest giver no need to tank them 🙃

katanagirl1 · December 2020

Could we have an selection under Options to not render other players combat pets?

Surely it would improve game performance for those who select it and we can certainly use that.

EDIT: I think I just realized something - they can’t make matriarchs click-through because they are targetable in PvP. Pets like blastbones and that skeletal archer are not targetable, neither are werewolf pets.

Not rendering combat pets would not work there either.

We need another option.

pod88kk · December 2020

Prof. Chonky Butt disagrees with your proposal

xaraan · December 2020

The fact zos has allowed combat pets to be this much of a nuisance to fellow players tells you all you need to know about what they care about. They've had plenty of time to do something about this if they wanted to.

WiseSky · December 2020

The Fact That You Did Not Use My Proposal is Quite Telling That You Dont Know The Best Proposal To Date...

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If a Player's Bear or Pet is blocking the crafting station or NPC or quest item.

You can press on the Bear or the Pet and select Remove and it is unsummoned.

From then on, whenever they summon that bear or pet it comes with a different skin for 24 hours, something like plain gray with a caution marker over its head. If someone catches the bear or pet blocking a crafting station or NPC or quest item, you can click on it and select Annihilate which will skin it alive in front of them in horrific screams and it will explode splattering blood everywhere.

From then on, whenever they summon that bear or pet it comes with a different skin for 365 Days with a Death marker over its head.If someone catches the bear or pet blocking a crafting station or NPC or quest item, you can click on it and select Eradication which will automatically make that pet turn inside out, quickly rot and be sucked out of existence.
From then on the Player has a Debuff of 365 days on all of account and his attributes become only 3 and his skill points drop to 6 and losses all CP points. That player also gets a Clown Face make up smeared all over their face that he cant remove or change it until the debuff is gone on all their character . From then on whenever the player wants to interact with any crafting station, any NPC or any quest Item, They must try crouching, jumping and roll dodging 100 times around the intractable while facing it, when they do that they get to see the intractable quickly appear (they may press E but it does nothing) and that is a sign that they entered the last phase , now the intractable only gains 1 Pixel which they may interact with and must find in 1 minute or they have to jump crouch and roll dodge all over again. If ever they try to summon a bear or pet while this Debuff is active they gain the Achievement 3RD Time Is the Charm and they get automatically kicked and account banned until they follow a 30 day program in RL of the ethics of bear and pets summoning.

Ryuvain · December 2020

What other pets besides bear block stuff? Afaik sorc pets are too skinny/short.

Mythreindeer · December 2020

SydneyGrey wrote: »

As soon as I heard the warden was going to include bears, I knew this would be an issue. I wished they'd made them smaller wolves instead.

Or a hummingbird

Fischblut · December 2020

Normal day at Vivec City bank:

Few moments later, some warden appears with his bear and doesn't move it for few minutes:

I don't understand why developers still haven't made anything to remove this problem...
Many pet owners are responsible and know when to desummon those pets; but some owners don't care that their pets can grief other players. The most simple solution would be to make combat pets "transparent", so that their bodies don't block interactions with NPCs/containers etc.

HoosierPappy · December 2020

Gonna vote against this.
However......as a bear warden........when NOT in combat.......it should be about the same size as my bear pet.
Same goes for all summon's, actually.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2020

OP reported for Fat Shaming.

Tryxus · December 2020