Everest_Lionheart wrote: »Depends on the dungeon and difficulty but for the actual hard ones, not having a tank leads to people getting one shot left and right. On normal dungeons and a lot of easier vet ones I prefer fake healer over a real one lol
You mean you prefer a fake healer over an average healer. A real healer through applying buffs and all that fun stuff lets you concentrate entirely on DPS meaning even with the two DPS instead of three the run goes quicker and smoother. This assumes your DPS prowess is on par with the healers skills.
For me I run mostly premades in vet content. 3DD when we are doing a death run to farm some sets real quick and we don’t touch HM. If we run the trinity I do it with healers that will change sets for each boss fight sometimes to give and extra buff or more healing if there is a heal check. Healers that know their stuff can make a run go so much smoother.
I run with tanks that do the same thing, certain fights they need to go selfish and leave us DD to handle our own buffs. Often when I’m running DK dps with my buddy on tank he will ask me to slot igneous weapon and/or igneous shield to buff the group instead so he can run a different set or skill.
Premade groups have that kind of communication and synergy. Pug groups what you see is what you get. Most fake roles can get by until they hit the HM scroll and you barely notice otherwise, at least on console where we don’t have metrics to check stuff other than watching their skills and HP bar. Fake tank and heals will get exposed fast when we try the HM almost every time.
IDK that there is fake DPS though. You are either good or you aren’t. Your DPS doesn’t meet to be phenomenally high to be good. If you can get out a few skills, swap bars and generally not stand in stupid than your DPS is likely good enough to get through all but a few fights. If all you can do is spam light and heavy attacks and self heal it’s better you queue for normal dungeons. I will happily carry anyone through normal and even run the quests with you, but don’t bring that nonsense to vet.
Your random might be someone else's specific. Don't use RDF if you are expecting anything other than a random group. You'll be doing the 'roleplayers' a favor too. It's not the kind of player they care to be exposed to. There are 100 more like you, just as capable, with at least a hint of concern for their fellow player.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »If you're going for a specific outcome, speed run, etc, use a premade. Use a premade until they come up with the selection options that allow one to pick the playstyles they're willing to group with, and then prepare to wait even longer to queue if that style is not checked on someone else's list.
Use premade if you want to roleplay. Im gonna play how i like it. Most of the time i have at least one group member, who's like to rush and he is dont vote for kicking me.
universal_wrath wrote: »By the way, nothing bothers more than fake tank who don't tqunt. It is fine to be a fake tank or fake healer, just do you basic role tasks lile taunts and healer/support to absolute minimal.
ElCapitanAmericano wrote: »Fake tank is likely carrying the group
Fake healer is helping fake tank carry the group
This is so, so, so, so wrong. There are so many fake tanks and heals, that don't freaking know how to play, and just skip queue. While I agree that fake dds are a plague (the last 2 random vets I did on my dedicated tanks, I had 30%+ of the damage). Many times if not most, those fake tanks/heals, are actually fake dds that skip queue.
As Google would say:
Did you mean bad role?
Definition of fake: to pretend.
Definition of bad: not good in any manner or degree.
Fake role =/= Bad at role
CaptainVenom wrote: »Btw I don't think there are "fake damage". Why would someone queue for damage if they are tank or healer, knowing it would take longer? lol. Maybe OP meant Weak DPS.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Also no one should sign up for a random vet and be expected to run for 3 hours just to clear because some "dps" only presses 1 button.
This is why I really don't pug anymore, the worst part when you dare suggest improvement or layering dots you are an elitist or your example using dps as a crutch?
Are you serious?
Also no one should sign up for a random vet and be expected to run for 3 hours just to clear because some "dps" only presses 1 button.
This is why I really don't pug anymore, the worst part when you dare suggest improvement or layering dots you are an elitist or your example using dps as a crutch?
Are you serious?
Dead serious. If you are incapable of completing a dungeon with subpar DPS even with a good tank and healer, it proves that you are using super high DPS as a crutch.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.