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Account Wide Titles or Achievements
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭Everything about achievements is account wide except for the title itself, so I still don't agree with this. My alts are perfectly able to use the dyes, mementos, outfits, furnishings, houses, etc that I've earned.1 -
Hamfast✭✭✭✭✭IMO there are basically 3 things gained with achievements...Items, Titles and Access... Titles should be by Character, my main is my crafter, he should be the only one I can title "Grand Master Crafter" because the rest are not... Items like music boxes and other furniture type items should also be character based, then I can get more than one of them... but Access to places and things like that should be account wide... just to allow access to a place or quest line to the rest of my characters.
just my opinion, and we all know about opinions...
Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most...0 -
QuantumPie✭✭✭I'd love to see this as well. I feel the best way to implement it would simply have a "global" view that shows if you've earned the achievement on any character, on which ones, and how many times. Titles and progress still would be character bound. Literally what add-ons already do, but then it would be an officially accepted method.
There are so many pros to having this. I want to collect as many achievements as possible but the only real way is to do it from one character. That leads to many issues that a global book would fix:
1) I don't have to shell out time and gold to constantly swap between PvE and PvP builds on a single character.
2) Since my character with the most achievements is a magplar, most trifecta groups won't take that character since other classes outperform them in so many ways. Sure I could get the achievement on my magcro and magblade, but it wouldn't count towards my individual progress.
3) I don't have to swap between 5 characters when linking clears in Discords since my achievements are all spread out
Outside of that, the system would also:
1) Let you show skill by counting how many times you've earned it. Having Godslayer on 5 characters and have that stat show in the global book is impressive.
I definitely get the argument of titles being character bound, and agree with that, but having a global achievement book implemented in this manner allows everyone to be happy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭fatmanatcomp wrote: »I’d like account wide achievements please. It’s what about what I have done and not what pixels I’m using.
Do you therefore want all experience and quest completions to be account-wide too? If not, why not? Are they not also about what you have done and not the pixels you're using?0 -
fatmanatcomp✭✭✭fatmanatcomp wrote: »I’d like account wide achievements please. It’s what about what I have done and not what pixels I’m using.
Do you therefore want all experience and quest completions to be account-wide too? If not, why not? Are they not also about what you have done and not the pixels you're using?
Now your lumping other stuff in with achievements 🤷♂️1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭fatmanatcomp wrote: »fatmanatcomp wrote: »I’d like account wide achievements please. It’s what about what I have done and not what pixels I’m using.
Do you therefore want all experience and quest completions to be account-wide too? If not, why not? Are they not also about what you have done and not the pixels you're using?
Now your lumping other stuff in with achievements 🤷♂️
I'm just questioning whether the same principle that it's the player that progresses the game and not the character applies to every form of progress. I don't see the logic behind saying for example that if all skyshards are discovered it's down to me for the achievement but it's down to the character for the experience granted.0 -
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No, because IT'S NOT a list of achievements for the account, it's for your characters, separately.
The account SHOULD NOT have achievements, only the characters, separately.
It would be a slap in the face if ZOS rewards those who constantly change to play the meta or to play with the easy mode build of the moment so they can easily get the achievements and points.
That's why all those guys have just a few thousand AP points with each character.
They want to put all those Achievement Points together? Then they need to complete the stuff with the same character and stop changing to meta/easy-mode builds.
Edited by Dragonnord on November 17, 2020 11:58PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thechuckage wrote: »Thechuckage wrote: »Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't care about titles. Don't use em, don't intended to.
Achievements should be broadly account wide. As long as no perks are attached to the title, then what is the issue?
If you have a title that proclaims you are "the King of Hot **** and you can't back it up? Well it's going to be apparent real quick.
But something more benign, monster hunter. I probably have all the various pieces for that achieve, picked up on random characters. Some got lucky with a werewolf cameo, some the razored mandibles. But if the achieve was combined- BAM set complete.
As always, for those opposed, where is the harm? What does it matter if that particular character has never fished a day. Does it really harm you if they put a master angler title on? Really?
yes, because others are seeing titles your character has not earned. People argue it is the player and not the character that earns the achievement. That isn't true. You can't earn that achievement without the character. It is a team effort, you and your character. You want the character to have the title that character needs to earn the title.
I wouldn't mind a tab that shows me achievements account wide. Multiple characters should not be able to work towards one achievement though. If you are trying to get the collectors achievements you shouldn't be able to find one trophy on one character and another trophy on a 2nd character and have both count towards the achievement. Each character needs to find all the trophies on their own.
MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated. Achievements linked to characters instead of accounts is good for the long term health of the game. Give incentive to repeat content.
You have failed to show harm.
If someone buys a carry, is that title earned? No, it is bought. The fact that carries exist devalues titles IMO.
-Character /player team.. never understood that either. The character is a tool and has no will of their own. Without the player, nothing happens.
"MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated" what you are describing there is the treadmill grind. For some aspects of the game, repeating content (to a certain extent) makes sense. Improved score runs, getting the rare drop, ranking up in pvp. Having players stay on the treadmill for achieves is a poor way to get them repeating content.
People leaving the game because there is no incentive to repeat content is harm. If you feel the game is a treadmill might be time for a break. For people that enjoy the game obtaining achievements on different characters is a fine reason for revisiting content.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »
No, because IT'S NOT a list of achievements for the account, it's for your characters, separately.
The account SHOULD NOT have achievements, only the characters, separately.
It would be a slap in the face if ZOS rewards those who constantly change to play the meta or to play with the easy mode build of the moment so they can easily get the achievements and points.
That's why all those guys have just a few thousand AP points with each character.
They want to put all those Achievement Points together? Then they need to complete the stuff with the same character and stop changing to meta/easy-mode builds.
But why do people even care about the total achievement points of their account or character??? There is no reward that I know of for accumulating any number (in contrast to GW2, which as has been mentioned, does have only account-based achievements and many do require replaying content). Dyes, skins and other collectibles are account-wide and furnishings bought with one character can be used by another. As far as I can see, the only downside to the system as it exists is that titles are not account-wide. I wouldn’t mind if they were account-wide but I’m fine with it as it exists now.0 -
derpy_cat1234✭✭✭Group content that requires optimization and character specific achievments shouldnt exist in the same game.Edited by derpy_cat1234 on November 18, 2020 9:58AM1 -
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✭✭Why? The achievement arent but most of the rewards are acount wide
Skins, costume, mounts, pet and body marking are all avaiable via the collection menu
Outfit, motif and dye are avaiable via the outfit station
The only rewards that arent account wide are the titles wich you dont need all of them on all charathers. Go get the 1 or 2 you "absolutely" need and DONE!
The acheivement themselves are useless they arent needed on all characters
Yes i got more than one character, i play all 18 of them1 -
fatmanatcomp✭✭✭fatmanatcomp wrote: »fatmanatcomp wrote: »I’d like account wide achievements please. It’s what about what I have done and not what pixels I’m using.
Do you therefore want all experience and quest completions to be account-wide too? If not, why not? Are they not also about what you have done and not the pixels you're using?
Now your lumping other stuff in with achievements 🤷♂️
I'm just questioning whether the same principle that it's the player that progresses the game and not the character applies to every form of progress. I don't see the logic behind saying for example that if all skyshards are discovered it's down to me for the achievement but it's down to the character for the experience granted.
You talking about them skyshards you can buy in the store after the first run ! 🤷♂️0 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Thechuckage wrote: »Thechuckage wrote: »Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't care about titles. Don't use em, don't intended to.
Achievements should be broadly account wide. As long as no perks are attached to the title, then what is the issue?
If you have a title that proclaims you are "the King of Hot **** and you can't back it up? Well it's going to be apparent real quick.
But something more benign, monster hunter. I probably have all the various pieces for that achieve, picked up on random characters. Some got lucky with a werewolf cameo, some the razored mandibles. But if the achieve was combined- BAM set complete.
As always, for those opposed, where is the harm? What does it matter if that particular character has never fished a day. Does it really harm you if they put a master angler title on? Really?
yes, because others are seeing titles your character has not earned. People argue it is the player and not the character that earns the achievement. That isn't true. You can't earn that achievement without the character. It is a team effort, you and your character. You want the character to have the title that character needs to earn the title.
I wouldn't mind a tab that shows me achievements account wide. Multiple characters should not be able to work towards one achievement though. If you are trying to get the collectors achievements you shouldn't be able to find one trophy on one character and another trophy on a 2nd character and have both count towards the achievement. Each character needs to find all the trophies on their own.
MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated. Achievements linked to characters instead of accounts is good for the long term health of the game. Give incentive to repeat content.
You have failed to show harm.
If someone buys a carry, is that title earned? No, it is bought. The fact that carries exist devalues titles IMO.
-Character /player team.. never understood that either. The character is a tool and has no will of their own. Without the player, nothing happens.
"MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated" what you are describing there is the treadmill grind. For some aspects of the game, repeating content (to a certain extent) makes sense. Improved score runs, getting the rare drop, ranking up in pvp. Having players stay on the treadmill for achieves is a poor way to get them repeating content.People leaving the game because there is no incentive to repeat content is harm.
And just how are we supposed to know why people quit? I'm fairly sure the amount of people quitting because they couldn't get an achievement for completing zone story X more than once is statistically irrelevant.If you feel the game is a treadmill might be time for a break. For people that enjoy the game obtaining achievements on different characters is a fine reason for revisiting content.
Objectively, many achievements are a treadmill. Enjoyment of being on the treadmill is again, irrelevant to the fact it is a treadmill. Once again, repeatable content absolutely has its place. Not all repeatable content is good content.
For people who don't enjoy re-earning the same achievements is a fine reason to ask for a change.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.
I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.0 -
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✭Araneae6537 wrote: »drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.
I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.
Imagine that you did a flawless mael arena, or a rare title on your characters. Your most fanciest characters. You love them. Now add account wide titles and achievements, now you realise your chatacters are not special anymore, because the magic was gone.Edited by WeerW3ir on November 18, 2020 10:03PM0 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.
I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.
Imagine that you did a flawless mael arena, or a rare title on your characters. Your most fanciest characters. You love them. Now add account wide titles and achievements, now you realise your chatacters are not special anymore, because the magic was gone.
I was not arguing for account-wide achievements; I don’t have particularly strong feelings about it but like how things are now.
I am trying to figure out why many people do want account-wide achievements. Is it all about the titles or are there other reasons as well?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
My position on that has always been clear. As a principle, I prefer everything to be character-specific including dye unlocks, skins (unless bought in the Crown Store), CPs etc, but I recognise that some people have a different approach and I believe that ZOS have struck a decent balance between the two approaches. As such I'm happy to play the game with that balanced approach and not call for everything to be moved my way. I will always contest the view of those who seek to push everything their way, not least when they base their claims on the argument that it's the player who completes everything rather than the character without acknowledging that on that basis they ought also to be arguing for experience and quest completions to be made account-wide too. They single out achievements for that treatment without making any attempt at explaining why those are different to anything else in the game. The game is well balanced in these respects as it is, we should leave well alone - especially as we clearly know that any change will only ever be handled via the Crown Store.Edited by Tandor on November 18, 2020 10:31PM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.
I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.
People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.
That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.
Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.
@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?Edited by idk on November 18, 2020 10:45PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
My position on that has always been clear. As a principle, I prefer everything to be character-specific including dye unlocks, skins (unless bought in the Crown Store), CPs etc, but I recognise that some people have a different approach and I believe that ZOS have struck a decent balance between the two approaches. As such I'm happy to play the game with that balanced approach and not call for everything to be moved my way. I will always contest the view of those who seek to push everything their way, not least when they base their claims on the argument that it's the player who completes everything rather than the character without acknowledging that on that basis they ought also to be arguing for experience and quest completions to be made account-wide too. They single out achievements for that treatment without making any attempt at explaining why those are different to anything else in the game. The game is well balanced in these respects as it is, we should leave well alone - especially as we clearly know that any change will only ever be handled via the Crown Store.
@Tandor
Do you share gear across characters?
Edit: I should have asked if you would be against gear being charter bound (once it is actually bound)? Essentially, the bound gear could not be shared between characters. Any BoP gear would need to be earned by that character for them to equip it. Let us also include CP into this picture. There is no reason a new character should have the knowledge of CP that another character gained if we are truly against account-wide achievements.
My guess is most would object regardless of which side of this argument they sit on and any who have actually earned and use skins and dies from challenging achievements would also object.
I would also like to hear how you think having an account-wide and character achievement list is such a bad thing. Everyone wins and no one loses.Edited by idk on November 18, 2020 10:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.
I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.
Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.
PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.
same could be said about your cp too your new toon didnt earn them yet you use them or that VMA staff you got with one toon yet another uses it , or that trials gear you run on an toon that has never done an trial before , or the mount , pet ect ect . this BUT THAT TOON DIDNT EARN IT IS NOT AN REASON TO SAY NO AS TOONS USE LOTS OF THINGS THEY DIDNT EARN
On this point, that the toon did not earn the CP, I agree.
It would not bother me at all if Every Character had to earn their Own CPs
Would be interesting to see how many people keep posting that 'hitting level 50 is fast and easy'.
IMHO
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WeerW3ir✭✭✭✭✭
✭barney2525 wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.
I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.
Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.
PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.
same could be said about your cp too your new toon didnt earn them yet you use them or that VMA staff you got with one toon yet another uses it , or that trials gear you run on an toon that has never done an trial before , or the mount , pet ect ect . this BUT THAT TOON DIDNT EARN IT IS NOT AN REASON TO SAY NO AS TOONS USE LOTS OF THINGS THEY DIDNT EARN
On this point, that the toon did not earn the CP, I agree.
It would not bother me at all if Every Character had to earn their Own CPs
Would be interesting to see how many people keep posting that 'hitting level 50 is fast and easy'.
IMHO
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✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.
I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.
Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.
PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.
same could be said about your cp too your new toon didnt earn them yet you use them or that VMA staff you got with one toon yet another uses it , or that trials gear you run on an toon that has never done an trial before , or the mount , pet ect ect . this BUT THAT TOON DIDNT EARN IT IS NOT AN REASON TO SAY NO AS TOONS USE LOTS OF THINGS THEY DIDNT EARN
On this point, that the toon did not earn the CP, I agree.
It would not bother me at all if Every Character had to earn their Own CPs
Would be interesting to see how many people keep posting that 'hitting level 50 is fast and easy'.
IMHO
*veteran ranks want to know your location*
LOL
That really brings up a great point. It is easy to disregard CP and suggest it would not be a big deal for it to be per character. However, we already know the playerbase would loudly object since they did as much with vet ranks. While the initial ten vet ranks required about as much XP as the first 50 levels, even at vet 16 it was small compared to what CP 810 requires. It would not fly.
In short, vet ranks were a poor design. Making CP per character would be an even worse design.Edited by idk on November 18, 2020 11:17PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
My position on that has always been clear. As a principle, I prefer everything to be character-specific including dye unlocks, skins (unless bought in the Crown Store), CPs etc, but I recognise that some people have a different approach and I believe that ZOS have struck a decent balance between the two approaches. As such I'm happy to play the game with that balanced approach and not call for everything to be moved my way. I will always contest the view of those who seek to push everything their way, not least when they base their claims on the argument that it's the player who completes everything rather than the character without acknowledging that on that basis they ought also to be arguing for experience and quest completions to be made account-wide too. They single out achievements for that treatment without making any attempt at explaining why those are different to anything else in the game. The game is well balanced in these respects as it is, we should leave well alone - especially as we clearly know that any change will only ever be handled via the Crown Store.
@Tandor
Do you share gear across characters?
Edit: I should have asked if you would be against gear being charter bound (once it is actually bound)? Essentially, the bound gear could not be shared between characters. Any BoP gear would need to be earned by that character for them to equip it. Let us also include CP into this picture. There is no reason a new character should have the knowledge of CP that another character gained if we are truly against account-wide achievements.
My guess is most would object regardless of which side of this argument they sit on and any who have actually earned and use skins and dies from challenging achievements would also object.
I would also like to hear how you think having an account-wide and character achievement list is such a bad thing. Everyone wins and no one loses.
I've made it clear that as a principle I would prefer everything to be character-specific. That includes CPs and bound gear, but I have also made it clear that I think given the different views on these things ZOS have struck a decent balance between those things that are character-specific and those that are account-wide so I'm happy to play the game the way it is structured and not lobby for change just to pursue my preferences against other people's when we currently have a reasonable balance.
However, assuming on that basis that we are retaining account-wide CPs I would certainly support them not being able to be allocated until a character has reached level 50 - not least because that would deal with a common complaint that running a level 3 character overland is too easy - not surprising when it has hundreds of CPs!
I've also made my position very clear in promoting the introduction of an account-wide list of achievements by character, accessed from the character selection screen. I've always argued for that, but it's very different to having account-wide achievements in the sense of one character doing something so all the others are credited with it too. That's the bit I object to, because I play multiple characters in order to play the game multiple times and in multiple ways. The only thing I would really like to share would be a small section of the bank inventory, in the style of EQ and EQ2 where each character has most bank slots specific to them but with a small number of bank slots that are shared across the account. That's purely for convenience as it avoids the delay and risk associated with mailing items between characters. Most of my characters are self-sufficient in any case, they all craft their own gear and only occasionally does one character benefit from something another character has put in the bank. I certainly don't set out to twink lower level characters, they each make their own way by and large. As it is, of course, we only have one set of bank slots per account and that contributes to the inventory management issues that a lot of players complain about.Edited by Tandor on November 18, 2020 11:41PM1 -
derpy_cat1234✭✭✭I mean... The argument about exp,skyshards and quests kinda falls flat if you consider that cp is shared and its super fast getting to 50,skyshards are buyable, and account-wide quests dont make sence since it kills the ability to replay them should you choose to. I guess im spoiled with the ff14 approach of having 1 character who can swap to any class,so no need for alts unless you really wanna replay everything...1
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
The problem here is people want to equate titles to achievements. Titles should only be for the character that earns them. Other players want what all characters do apply for the achievement. As example they want any trophy fish they catch on any character count towards that achievement. The achievement should be earned by one character.
Most who oppose achievements being account wide do so for one of those two reasons. Very few would complain about a tab that lets you see your achievements across all your characters.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
My position on that has always been clear. As a principle, I prefer everything to be character-specific including dye unlocks, skins (unless bought in the Crown Store), CPs etc, but I recognise that some people have a different approach and I believe that ZOS have struck a decent balance between the two approaches. As such I'm happy to play the game with that balanced approach and not call for everything to be moved my way. I will always contest the view of those who seek to push everything their way, not least when they base their claims on the argument that it's the player who completes everything rather than the character without acknowledging that on that basis they ought also to be arguing for experience and quest completions to be made account-wide too. They single out achievements for that treatment without making any attempt at explaining why those are different to anything else in the game. The game is well balanced in these respects as it is, we should leave well alone - especially as we clearly know that any change will only ever be handled via the Crown Store.
@Tandor
Do you share gear across characters?
Edit: I should have asked if you would be against gear being charter bound (once it is actually bound)? Essentially, the bound gear could not be shared between characters. Any BoP gear would need to be earned by that character for them to equip it. Let us also include CP into this picture. There is no reason a new character should have the knowledge of CP that another character gained if we are truly against account-wide achievements.
My guess is most would object regardless of which side of this argument they sit on and any who have actually earned and use skins and dies from challenging achievements would also object.
I would also like to hear how you think having an account-wide and character achievement list is such a bad thing. Everyone wins and no one loses.
I've made it clear that as a principle I would prefer everything to be character-specific. That includes CPs and bound gear, but I have also made it clear that I think given the different views on these things ZOS have struck a decent balance between those things that are character-specific and those that are account-wide so I'm happy to play the game the way it is structured and not lobby for change just to pursue my preferences against other people's when we currently have a reasonable balance.
However, assuming on that basis that we are retaining account-wide CPs I would certainly support them not being able to be allocated until a character has reached level 50 - not least because that would deal with a common complaint that running a level 3 character overland is too easy - not surprising when it has hundreds of CPs!
I've also made my position very clear in promoting the introduction of an account-wide list of achievements by character, accessed from the character selection screen. I've always argued for that, but it's very different to having account-wide achievements in the sense of one character doing something so all the others are credited with it too. That's the bit I object to, because I play multiple characters in order to play the game multiple times and in multiple ways. The only thing I would really like to share would be a small section of the bank inventory, in the style of EQ and EQ2 where each character has most bank slots specific to them but with a small number of bank slots that are shared across the account. That's purely for convenience as it avoids the delay and risk associated with mailing items between characters. Most of my characters are self-sufficient in any case, they all craft their own gear and only occasionally does one character benefit from something another character has put in the bank. I certainly don't set out to twink lower level characters, they each make their own way by and large. As it is, of course, we only have one set of bank slots per account and that contributes to the inventory management issues that a lot of players complain about.
1. I doubt Zos has struck a balance to appease different views. I am fairly confident of that since most of this was decided well before most of us could express our views. If I am wrong then it is safe to say Zos failed in trying to appease everyone.
2. Any assumption on what will happen with the CP system or what will replace it is baseless and as such pointless to discuss the future of it.
3. Yes, you have made your thoughts clear and my suggestion still harms no one. Those who want to focus specifically on character achievements would still be able to do so and those who want to see an account-wide list of achievements would have their wish as well. All along, titles still remain with the character that earned it.
3.1 and it fits well without the design Zos created. It is a win for everyone. One of the few changes Zos could make to the game and appease most of the player base. The only ones that would not be pleased with it are ones who just do not like change as I have not seen any valid reason to oppose this outside of mere preference.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
The problem here is people want to equate titles to achievements. Titles should only be for the character that earns them. Other players want what all characters do apply for the achievement. As example they want any trophy fish they catch on any character count towards that achievement. The achievement should be earned by one character.
Most who oppose achievements being account wide do so for one of those two reasons. Very few would complain about a tab that lets you see your achievements across all your characters.
Most people who have objected to account-wide achievements have done it because of not wanting titles to be shard or just because they are against change.
In the end, none of that matters. The more we keep these threads alive, the more threads that keep going like this on this subject, the more likely Zos will make this happen in some form. We know the squeaky wheel gets the worm when it comes to Zos and of all the changes they have made because players have constantly asked for it this has the smallest impact on actual gameplay and balance of the game. It is more likely than not this is something that is just a matter of time.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »drzycki_ESO wrote: »I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?
Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?
As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.
In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.
BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a
If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.
I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.
People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.
That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.
Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.
@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?
Not skins, but only because I want to play as an elf or khajiit and not a glowing... I have no idea
). But to the point, I certainly use any dyes on all characters and would be very upset if those were not account-wide! Titles could be seen as in the same category — a cosmetic separate from what that character has done, but I never thought them that big a deal because I rarely see them (too much clutter on the screen so I have most of that turned off). But I was curious to know whether they are the main or even only reason people want account-wide achievements.
Since you mention SWTOR, I recall finding it frustrating that the achievement for finding all the datacrons (those colored cubes that increase an attribute) on a planet was an account achievement as it could be a pain to check whether you had all on a particular character. Other things I cared about were I think easier to track.
Now in ESO, the map guides and map icons enable you to check what you’ve done in an area on a current character. For dungeons checking achievements is best and it would be nice to be able to still do so even if achievements went account-wide. I had not thought of wanting to see what you’ve done on any character (more than achievements, I would find it very helpful to know what motifs, recipes, etc. I already knew on other characters, else it is risky to buy these things on characters other than my main crafter as there is too much to remember!).
Like I said, while I’m happy with the system how it is, I would have no objection to achievements and even titles being seen account-wide. I can’t see that there would be drawbacks for anyone. Mostly I’ve just been perplexed as to why there are people so strongly for or against.Edited by Araneae6537 on November 19, 2020 5:19PM1