Account Wide Titles or Achievements

Machete

So here's the proverbial scoop. Most of us who play ESO play different characters. Be it for raid, for PvP, for questing, for PvE, for your group of friends so no one gets stuck in a role. Because with the six classes we have, you also have one of four variants and options (Tank, Healer, Stam DPS, Mag DPS). There are different play styles, choices, builds, theories, and so on that can come from each class. Why do we HAVE to be confined to one for our achievement character?

It just doesn't make sense anymore. The game has been around for 6 years, new content has come out since launch, new stories, new builds. But yet, alting to experience it on a new character or wanting to swap to try out a new class and spec for trials or Cyrodiil is just more punishing. What if you wanna get Gryphon Heart on your main, but your team needs a healer and you are a DPS main? Most fight for their spot because they don't wanna lose that achievement or title spot in raid, or don't wanna have to level that new character because they have to get all the titles and achievements yet again.

I see nothing but a positive to this. Even if you make titles account bound, it still allows for flexibility in content and it even encourages alting and leveling and learning a new class and playstyle. You could keep achievements account wide, as once you have done it on the character the score would now represent your player achievements instead of character, or just keep the titles similar to how we keep costumes, dyes, pets we earn from completing an achievement.

Jim_Pipp

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

I respectfully disagree. I don't want account wide achievements. I do farm achievements on one character, who respecs to earn achievements that require a different build.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

The achievements and titles are a record of what each character has done, which I quite like. Account wide progress is an often requested feature so I expect it will happen eventually.

Hallothiel

@Jim_Pipp

Nicely put. Totally with you. My main nb has done vDSA but my new stamplar just about managed Fungal Grotto. Not the same.

And if you want the titles on different characters, maybe you need to find a different guild to run with, one where people help each other rather than compete? Know mine does 😉

Banana

Account wide everything please

jaws343

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

I respectfully disagree. I don't want account wide achievements. I do farm achievements on one character, who respecs to earn achievements that require a different build.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

The achievements and titles are a record of what each character has done, which I quite like. Account wide progress is an often requested feature so I expect it will happen eventually.

Honestly, the only account wide thing I think would be nice to have is the Eidetic Memory stuff. There are a ton of bugged books that aren't collectible if you miss them during a quest that you did years ago.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Would love account wide achievements. Been screaming about it for years. I am not sure I want account wide titles, but if the option was both or none, I would certainly chose both.

My solution has always been to leave achievement tabs and titles exactly how they are, but add a separate account wide achievement tab to show progress for the account. You could certainly leave titles out of that. That way, if you like to do things per character, great. If you are like me and play lots of alts and have no interest in chasing the same achieve multiple times, then also great.

Savvyowl

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

I respectfully disagree. I don't want account wide achievements. I do farm achievements on one character, who respecs to earn achievements that require a different build.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

The achievements and titles are a record of what each character has done, which I quite like. Account wide progress is an often requested feature so I expect it will happen eventually.

I have seen that reasoning in every past post about this topic. Respectfully that doesn't wash for me. People are more than happy to use the CP points earned across multiple characters. If you want champion points on different characters shouldn't they earn them as well?

For me achievements are earned by the player not the character and as such should be shared with all that player's characters. Not everyone likes to have just one main. Maybe they get bored or just need a change for a bit. your achievement hunting shouldn't have to restart from scratch for that.

BronzebeakMoa

Simple solution to me is make achievements account-wide but retain the info on which character gained the achievement.

My personal opinion on titles is they should stay character-bound, but if they went account-wide as well, I wouldn't be sad.

thadjarvis

You can partly get it with https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1867-KyomasGlobalAchievements.html

But it won't capture things like a dungeon challenger if you did the no death on one toon and hm on anther. Or the real grindy things across accounts like kill X argonian players.

cnyanes

Here we go again...

Tandor

cnyanes wrote: »

Here we go again...

Indeed.

I'm just going to wait until the OP provides the substantiation for claiming to know the basis on which most of us play different characters.

In the meantime, I think I covered this here :-


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7015190#Comment_7015190

Tandor wrote: »

Ah, it's class change and account-wide skills and achievements this week, I'd rather lost count. That means it'll be the turn of the auction house next week and a PvE instance of Cyrodiil the week after.

Sorry OP, but in addition to being wholly opposed to everything you say, I can never take seriously any proposals that are based on the particular circumstances and opinion of one person who claims they apply to everyone. They don't.

Wolfpaw

Banana wrote: »

Account wide everything please

This.

Athan1

I want to try an alt, but the thought of all the achievements and quests I'd have to redo drives me away from it

Savvyowl

Tandor wrote: »

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I don't feel they are claiming to know anything. At least not anymore or less that you are claiming to know how others play.

Because this topic has come up before doesn't mean they aren't free to bring it up again. If it is a stale topic to some by all means please feel free to not to participate in the discussion.

Husan

So I just made an alt, tried to make a cool outfit for him, but ALAS! No achievements, no dyes, no dice!

Honestly the argument some of you use, "my alts did not earn it" is so narrow minded in my opinion. Neither did they earn the CP, or the bank spaces, all the gear in your bank, any gold farmed by your main, the guilds your main is in, your friends list that you have on your main. Don't you agree? Where is the line?

Araneae6537

Husan wrote: »

So I just made an alt, tried to make a cool outfit for him, but ALAS! No achievements, no dyes, no dice!

Honestly the argument some of you use, "my alts did not earn it" is so narrow minded in my opinion. Neither did they earn the CP, or the bank spaces, all the gear in your bank, any gold farmed by your main, the guilds your main is in, your friends list that you have on your main. Don't you agree? Where is the line?

Actually, dyes are account-wide. Concerning titles and achievements, I don’t feel strongly about it one way or the other. It’s not like you get extra rewards for reaching particular levels of achievement points (I don’t know why they are even assigned point values tbh). For the most part, I feel like it makes sense to have the achievements and titles be by character, with crafting being a good example: Would it make sense to wear Grand Master Crafter on a new alt who can craft hardly anything?

derpy_cat1234

I would like to see account wide achievements at the very least. Hopefully account wide titles as well.

idk

I am one that supports accounwide achievements. There is no real justification to not permit us to see all of our achievements in one of the place

However, titles for significant achievements whole remain character driven. SWTOR is a great example for this as they have account wide achievementS but a title for the most challenging aspects of the game which as a nightmare clear of a raid are character bound.

Starlock

We already know ZoS's answer to this. Their solution to the problem of account-wide achievements was to sell the solution to some of those in the cash shop. That's how we got skill points and skill lines in the cash shop instead of... you know... as just a basic utility everyone can use?

zaria

Clan mother/ father is account wide, yes mother sounds better and its an Khajiit term.
It require the 3M house in reaper march, all alts who enter get it.

Nordic__Knights

YES YES YES being one that has 18 toons on PS4 and 10 on PC because i couldn't stand to play the 1st toon for 6 years full time every time i play the game and my PS4 main being an class thats went from #1 to nothing better then an crafter at times due to (skills , passive , set ) changes that ZOS found needed FORCED reason to play other toons at times ,


AND for all them saying NO how many toons you play ? 1 or do you use CP, GOLD, MATS, GEAR, MOUNTS, PETS, HOMES, ECT. ECT. YOUR MAIN GOT THEM as its in the end the same thing SOMETHING THAT TOON DIDNT GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tandor

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

YES YES YES being one that has 18 toons on PS4 and 10 on PC because i couldn't stand to play the 1st toon for 6 years full time every time i play the game and my PS4 main being an class thats went from #1 to nothing better then an crafter at times due to (skills , passive , set ) changes that ZOS found needed FORCED reason to play other toons at times ,


AND for all them saying NO how many toons you play ? 1 or do you use CP, GOLD, MATS, GEAR, MOUNTS, PETS, HOMES, ECT. ECT. YOUR MAIN GOT THEM as its in the end the same thing SOMETHING THAT TOON DIDNT GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have 42 characters but I don't run a main plus alts, they're all equal individual characters across two accounts on two servers. I'd much prefer everything to be character-specific, including CPs, just as some would prefer everything to be account-wide. However, ZOS have struck a decent balance between the two approaches, and we are where we are. I see no reason to shift the balance but if changes were to be made you can be sure it would be structured through the Crown Store just like the skyshards and skill lines. Be careful what you wish for.

Casul

It will happen eventually.

qwudd

Im also one of those persons that would like accountwide mostly everything.

My reasoning for this simple. I believe a game should be complicated where complicated is fun and leads to pleasure (i.e. Making new builds and theory crafting), not complicated in an unnecessary and timewasting, unfun way. Sadly Eso excells not just in the first.

Hunting skins for example and being forced to keep track of which character is doing progression on which skin is a current annoyance of mine,definately related to achievments.

Things like having to relog into a crafter for upgrading an item, or the completely brainbleed inducing design around Daily rewards (one resets each Day by midnight, one is on a 20h timer so varies but this isnt tracked anywhere, two needs to be picked up, you can have them on all 18 characters which leads to a gazillion loading-screens while reloading and zoning for 30 minutes).

Simplify! Like, have all rewards for all chars mailed on login for The first char! Let me progress my accountwide cosmetics on Any character, on my account!!

Fun sells, not infuriating unnecessary complications!!

Nordic__Knights

Tandor wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

YES YES YES being one that has 18 toons on PS4 and 10 on PC because i couldn't stand to play the 1st toon for 6 years full time every time i play the game and my PS4 main being an class thats went from #1 to nothing better then an crafter at times due to (skills , passive , set ) changes that ZOS found needed FORCED reason to play other toons at times ,


AND for all them saying NO how many toons you play ? 1 or do you use CP, GOLD, MATS, GEAR, MOUNTS, PETS, HOMES, ECT. ECT. YOUR MAIN GOT THEM as its in the end the same thing SOMETHING THAT TOON DIDNT GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have 42 characters but I don't run a main plus alts, they're all equal individual characters across two accounts on two servers. I'd much prefer everything to be character-specific, including CPs, just as some would prefer everything to be account-wide. However, ZOS have struck a decent balance between the two approaches, and we are where we are. I see no reason to shift the balance but if changes were to be made you can be sure it would be structured through the Crown Store just like the skyshards and skill lines. Be careful what you wish for.

had they keep CP or VR as it was at start (per toon ) then id being saying NO but since everything has been moving to make things EASY id like to get something out of it too lol and only thing im missing is ACHIEVEMENT POINTS on my main toons that my off toons got due to ( IN GAME CHANGES TO SKILLS PASSIVES ) main being nurffed so hard it was nothing but an crafter for over an year lol

Kurat

Achievements should definitely be account wide. It's me who's playing the characters. Some people argue that I got my achievements with one class so I may not know how to play other classes. That's bs. There are alot of guilds even who require you to post clears in discord in order to be accepted into those trial runs, and they only take you with the same class and role you had the achievement with. Same with pug groups in Craglorn. They ask to link clear but this particular toon may not have that clear. You may have Godslayer with one toon and pugs dont take you to non hm vSS because you dont know how to play other class? Lmao

Sylvermynx

I wouldn't be against it as long as it was optional. I actually don't "see" achievements, but having it forcibly enabled account wide would annoy me regardless.

Weesacs

Give people the option at character creation ... win win situation for everyone 👍

theyancey

NO, just NO

Dragonnord

This request again?

Here it goes my answer again, for time 101 (yes, 101 because my answer 100 was just a few days ago on another similar thread):

You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?

Sorry, but don't agree with you OP.
 

zvavi

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

I respectfully disagree. I don't want account wide achievements. I do farm achievements on one character, who respecs to earn achievements that require a different build.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

The achievements and titles are a record of what each character has done, which I quite like. Account wide progress is an often requested feature so I expect it will happen eventually.

Ye because the title witch was such a unique task to get on my main, my other characters shouldn't have it without doing the same

Jokes aside, I agree that characters should have individual progress from certain point of view, but from the other point of view the one achieving the title is actually you, the player, therefore, I present you...the solution! borrowed titles! You can borrow titles from your other characters, but it will show it in light grey instead of white (enough to be easily noticeable, but not too annoying).

And for the achievements part of the post, there is no real reason to not include achievement overview of all your characters, keep individual achievements untouched, but also have the option to overview all your achievements on all your characters! I still have not seen an argument against doing that.