Account Wide Titles or Achievements

Faiza · November 2020

I guess my only counterpoint to this would be, by making everything account wide, that would leave very little for my alts to "earn" of their own merit.

Edit: I mean, with titles I agree with OP, because you can just not use titles you dont want your alt to have. I personally only use one title anyway, the rest are irrelevant to me. I also wouldnt use it on another character because I didnt earn it on them.

But with achievements I definitely disagree. I want to be able to track the progress of my alts separately.

Kalik_Gold · November 2020

Husan wrote: »

So I just made an alt, tried to make a cool outfit for him, but ALAS! No achievements, no dyes, no dice!

Dyes, skins, outfit styles, are all Account wide per server (NA or EU). If you couldn't make a cool outfit, you couldn't do it on your main either.

I have alts, the only things they are missing are Titles, which I understand locking to the actual character that did that event, trial, etc.

Tandor · November 2020

Faiza wrote: »

I guess my only counterpoint to this would be, by making everything account wide, that would leave very little for my alts to "earn" of their own merit.

Edit: I mean, with titles I agree with OP, because you can just not use titles you dont want your alt to have. I personally only use one title anyway, the rest are irrelevant to me. I also wouldnt use it on another character because I didnt earn it on them.

But with achievements I definitely disagree. I want to be able to track the progress of my alts separately.

Absolutely, and that is why account-wide achievements would be harmful to those who have multiple characters in order to play them fully through the game, rather than simply to get a different class or build to "endgame". Having an account-wide summary of achievements earned by all characters would be fine in that sense.

However, a full-blown account-wide achievement system would also be harmful to those who complain about grinds - especially if they only have a single character - because if something has to be done 10 times for a character-specific achievement you can safely assume that it would have to be done 50 times if that achievement were to be made account-wide, or 25 times if you bought the "achievement doubling" tokens that would instantly appear in the Crown Store.

Hallothiel · November 2020

Have said before, play multiple alts in carious classes, with a huge variety of skill!

Yes, can do stuff with main (stamblade) & healer (magplar) but in reply to someone earlier, just because I’ve cleared hard stuff on my main does not mean AT ALL that I have the first clue how to do that on my magdk!

I like to have different characters with different achievements - know what I need to do. And yes, only one has Master Angler but that was the one I did it in (will be the only one!) making it account wide would be a smack in the face for those who HAVE done it on multiple characters.

And again, have said before, IF this was ever implemented, it should be optional.

(And only available for crowns in the crown store - you don’t want to pay?! Then earn it. 😈)

Tsar_Gekkou · November 2020

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

Well you could choose to not wear the titles on those characters until they do complete the achievement, while other people could choose otherwise. Problem solved.

WeerW3ir · November 2020

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

Well you could choose to not wear the titles on those characters until they do complete the achievement, while other people could choose otherwise. Problem solved.

Whats the point of the game if you want to *** take away all challanges... Having multiple character is like having multiple you. Each of them is good in something. But not all of them is similar. They cannot be. One is good in this, the other is good in that. This is the way.

Hallothiel · November 2020

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

Well you could choose to not wear the titles on those characters until they do complete the achievement, while other people could choose otherwise. Problem solved.

Better still, you could buy the title for your alt from the crown store if so desperate to have it without doing the content.

Weesacs · November 2020

I'm totally against the idea of account wide achievements. This is because it didn't take me too long to get 42000+ achievement points on all of my 8 characters. If I can do it so can you 👍💪

Tsar_Gekkou · November 2020

Hallothiel wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

Well you could choose to not wear the titles on those characters until they do complete the achievement, while other people could choose otherwise. Problem solved.

Better still, you could buy the title for your alt from the crown store if so desperate to have it without doing the content.

If you have the title then you already did the content. I've never seen anyone with a title from something they've never did, unless you run into hackers.

idk · November 2020

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

This request comes up a lot, but at least you've made some reasonable arguments.

My other 17 characters didn't earn all those achievements, they earned their own by doing what they've individually done.

Well you could choose to not wear the titles on those characters until they do complete the achievement, while other people could choose otherwise. Problem solved.

Better still, you could buy the title for your alt from the crown store if so desperate to have it without doing the content.

If you have the title then you already did the content. I've never seen anyone with a title from something they've never did, unless you run into hackers.

And having account-wide achievements does not mean account-wide title. Other games with account-wide achievements only grant the title of significant accomplishments to the character that earned them.

As such, there is no reason to object to account-wide achievements where the title remains character side.

Uryel · November 2020

Tandor wrote: »

I'm just going to wait until the OP provides the substantiation for claiming to know the basis on which most of us play different characters.

And I'm going to wait until you provide the substantiation for the opposite. Maybe it's just a matter of perspective, but I've been playing MMOs for 20 years or so now, and I've NEVER met anyone who didn't have at least 1 alt.

Maybe we should start a poll ?

idk · November 2020

Uryel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I'm just going to wait until the OP provides the substantiation for claiming to know the basis on which most of us play different characters.

And I'm going to wait until you provide the substantiation for the opposite. Maybe it's just a matter of perspective, but I've been playing MMOs for 20 years or so now, and I've NEVER met anyone who didn't have at least 1 alt.

Maybe we should start a poll ?

Please do not start a poll that will not help.

In reality, it is meaningless to know why most people play alts. It is irrelevant as we know a great many people do plat alts. We know this as a fact because Zos has been selling extra character slots for years, as many MMORPGs do.

Uryel · November 2020

idk wrote: »

Uryel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I'm just going to wait until the OP provides the substantiation for claiming to know the basis on which most of us play different characters.

And I'm going to wait until you provide the substantiation for the opposite. Maybe it's just a matter of perspective, but I've been playing MMOs for 20 years or so now, and I've NEVER met anyone who didn't have at least 1 alt.

Maybe we should start a poll ?

Please do not start a poll that will not help.

In reality, it is meaningless to know why most people play alts. It is irrelevant as we know a great many people do plat alts. We know this as a fact because Zos has been selling extra character slots for years, as many MMORPGs do.

If that poll can shut down some degree of pedantic behaviour, then it won't be meaningless.

Jaimeh · November 2020

I hope they won't implement this--having character-bound achievements is like a history of the progress on that character, not to mention that certain content plays differently on different specs. Clearing something on a stamDK is different with clearing it on a magsorc, and so on. Not just for end-game: think of thieves guild/dark brotherhood achievements, they are significantly smoother on a NB character. And regardless of the differences of specs or end-game completions, getting achievements on alts basically means time and effort put into that character. Imagine the players who have 12 Master Anglers, the grind they went through... To have something like that automatically slapped on your character is meaningless. It would be an empty title, used for RP, or flex purposes without having done the actual grind for it--but the thing is, titles in this game are not empty, they are a mark of progression.

idk · November 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

I hope they won't implement this--having character-bound achievements is like a history of the progress on that character,

We can have both. It is very simple to have a list of the achievements for the account and the characters. As such no one loses anything. It is a win/win.

Jaimeh · November 2020

idk wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

I hope they won't implement this--having character-bound achievements is like a history of the progress on that character,

We can have both. It is very simple to have a list of the achievements for the account and the characters. As such no one loses anything. It is a win/win.

Even if I see that a given character doesn't have master angler, but the account does, and decide to use master angler on that character anyway, still means that the achievement is meaningless on that character, and doesn't reflect its progression.

idk · November 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

I hope they won't implement this--having character-bound achievements is like a history of the progress on that character,

We can have both. It is very simple to have a list of the achievements for the account and the characters. As such no one loses anything. It is a win/win.

Even if I see that a given character doesn't have master angler, but the account does, and decide to use master angler on that character anyway, still means that the achievement is meaningless on that character, and doesn't reflect its progression.

That is a personal choice. If anything it is significantly less harmful than not having account-wide achievements.

karekiz · November 2020

I am down. I mean honestly Godslayer gives you an account wide mount to flex on right? So "progression" isn't really a thing.

Unless peeps are down for making ALL skins etc CHARACTER SPECIFIC. There is basically 0 difference in it.

WeerW3ir · November 2020

Nope

Jaimeh · November 2020

idk wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

I hope they won't implement this--having character-bound achievements is like a history of the progress on that character,

We can have both. It is very simple to have a list of the achievements for the account and the characters. As such no one loses anything. It is a win/win.

Even if I see that a given character doesn't have master angler, but the account does, and decide to use master angler on that character anyway, still means that the achievement is meaningless on that character, and doesn't reflect its progression.

That is a personal choice. If anything it is significantly less harmful than not having account-wide achievements.

There is nothing 'harmful' with not having account-wide achievements. If anything, it's honest. They are called achievements for a reason: you achieved the thing with that specific character. Even from a lore perspective it doesn't make sense: why should a character not having stepped foot in a zone, be 'Hero of xyz'. I like the system as it is now, (and this is coming from an altoholic, who has achievements all over the place), but to each their own.

idk · November 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

I hope they won't implement this--having character-bound achievements is like a history of the progress on that character,

We can have both. It is very simple to have a list of the achievements for the account and the characters. As such no one loses anything. It is a win/win.

Even if I see that a given character doesn't have master angler, but the account does, and decide to use master angler on that character anyway, still means that the achievement is meaningless on that character, and doesn't reflect its progression.

That is a personal choice. If anything it is significantly less harmful than not having account-wide achievements.

There is nothing 'harmful' with not having account-wide achievements.

There is a lot of benefit to being able to see the achievements we have made on an account-wide basis. And there is nothing harmful with that being available. Nothing at all.

kargen27 · November 2020

Thechuckage wrote: »

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't care about titles. Don't use em, don't intended to.

Achievements should be broadly account wide. As long as no perks are attached to the title, then what is the issue?
If you have a title that proclaims you are "the King of Hot **** and you can't back it up? Well it's going to be apparent real quick.

But something more benign, monster hunter. I probably have all the various pieces for that achieve, picked up on random characters. Some got lucky with a werewolf cameo, some the razored mandibles. But if the achieve was combined- BAM set complete.

As always, for those opposed, where is the harm? What does it matter if that particular character has never fished a day. Does it really harm you if they put a master angler title on? Really?

yes, because others are seeing titles your character has not earned. People argue it is the player and not the character that earns the achievement. That isn't true. You can't earn that achievement without the character. It is a team effort, you and your character. You want the character to have the title that character needs to earn the title.

I wouldn't mind a tab that shows me achievements account wide. Multiple characters should not be able to work towards one achievement though. If you are trying to get the collectors achievements you shouldn't be able to find one trophy on one character and another trophy on a 2nd character and have both count towards the achievement. Each character needs to find all the trophies on their own.
MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated. Achievements linked to characters instead of accounts is good for the long term health of the game. Give incentive to repeat content.

WeerW3ir · November 2020

Dear admins. Can we close this topic? Thank you

Galwylin · November 2020

I have a full roster of characters but really I only play one. And achievements do play a part in that. Even though they serve no purpose in the game, there's always this feeling if this isn't my main then its a waste of time to do on this other character. And that builds up in skill points and things. So now the rest just operate as banks or boredom diversions. This is the same issue with motif achievements for me. I have to learn them on a specific character because of this division that isn't quite divided. I'd just as soon see them delete achievements at this point because they shouldn't be affecting my choices and try as I might that checklist (as I consider achievements) is there and I just can't ignore it.

xaraan · November 2020

The part of me that is frustrated to always be stuck tanking in our trials group, especially when we go for hard stuff like HM's or other achievements there would be happy to earn those titles to use on other characters that frankly never get the chance to run that content at that level because of lack of tank depth in our guild. It even gets me on dungeon achievements sometimes where I'm stuck as the guy always having to tank.

But that being said, seeing stuff like godslayer on someone's level 5 would be pretty lame and make the title mean even less than the buying of carries already does to it.

The other part of me likes the fact it gives me something to earn on different characters. Since I name all my guys some variation of xaraan it's nice to give them different titles. At this point I just live with the fact I'll probably never earn the big trial titles on anything but my main tank.

drzycki_ESO · November 2020

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Thechuckage · November 2020

kargen27 wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't care about titles. Don't use em, don't intended to.

Achievements should be broadly account wide. As long as no perks are attached to the title, then what is the issue?
If you have a title that proclaims you are "the King of Hot **** and you can't back it up? Well it's going to be apparent real quick.

But something more benign, monster hunter. I probably have all the various pieces for that achieve, picked up on random characters. Some got lucky with a werewolf cameo, some the razored mandibles. But if the achieve was combined- BAM set complete.

As always, for those opposed, where is the harm? What does it matter if that particular character has never fished a day. Does it really harm you if they put a master angler title on? Really?

yes, because others are seeing titles your character has not earned. People argue it is the player and not the character that earns the achievement. That isn't true. You can't earn that achievement without the character. It is a team effort, you and your character. You want the character to have the title that character needs to earn the title.

I wouldn't mind a tab that shows me achievements account wide. Multiple characters should not be able to work towards one achievement though. If you are trying to get the collectors achievements you shouldn't be able to find one trophy on one character and another trophy on a 2nd character and have both count towards the achievement. Each character needs to find all the trophies on their own.
MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated. Achievements linked to characters instead of accounts is good for the long term health of the game. Give incentive to repeat content.

You have failed to show harm.
If someone buys a carry, is that title earned? No, it is bought. The fact that carries exist devalues titles IMO.

-Character /player team.. never understood that either. The character is a tool and has no will of their own. Without the player, nothing happens.

"MMO's survive by providing new content and having existing content be repeated" what you are describing there is the treadmill grind. For some aspects of the game, repeating content (to a certain extent) makes sense. Improved score runs, getting the rare drop, ranking up in pvp. Having players stay on the treadmill for achieves is a poor way to get them repeating content.

Tandor · November 2020

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

fatmanatcomp · November 2020

I’d like account wide achievements please. It’s what about what I have done and not what pixels I’m using.

Araneae6537 · November 2020

Why do people want account-wise achievements? To make it easier to have titles on all your characters? Or for purchasing furnishing decorations? Otherwise, I don’t see a benefit, and what would happen to achievements that currently have to be earned per character such as gathering 10,000 nodes or completing all of a list of challenges? Do all characters contribute or will the achievement specify that it is all on one character?

I’ve been thinking about this since it was brought up and, since the dyes are accountwide, I’m happy with it as is. It gives a feeling of, well, achievement, to accomplish something on another character, even if you had on another. I like the pop-ups and the achievements are another way to track what you have done with a particular character.