Account Wide Titles or Achievements

iksde

Drdeath20 wrote: »

If you do this, then whats the point of achievements?

Make it already more meaningless than it already is?

it is already meaningless for us repeating them

as it was proposed in many different way to not make any impact on players who dont want this,,,make it toggleable, make option to link characters together or something so it will be optional for you, for us so you dont need to have account wide like we want for us

Machete

Most of us who want account wide titles and achievements aren't looking for "Fighter's Guild Victor" or "Master Wizard." We are looking for the titles that we worked hard for, the achievements we earned. Even if just titles end up as an account wide thing, it's still a punishing system to players who have alts and make alts to come in and look at something like achievements and go "I gotta do this all over again?"

I once again refer to making a tank or healer for your group you wanna progress on with you main, which is a DPS. Do you feel the player who made the tank earned that hard dungeon/trial achievement? Or did the "character" earn it since it was willed out of existence. Things that are easy to get titles like Pact Hero or Covenant Hero or Dominion Hero aren't the topic of discussion. Those achievements alone are mind numbing to do after this long.

The players earn these achievements. Not the characters. And it's mostly on ZOS to incentivize blank achievements. In some games reaching a certain achievement level rewards the player. Maybe a crown crate or a riding lesson or a bit of gold. Only thing worth getting are dyes and titles, we already get dyes, skins, emotes, costumes and personalities account bound (unless you don't feel you earned that Ruby Throne Red on your level 3. Along side that skin you earned through vSCP No Death/Hard Mode/Speed Run or your favorite personality that was earned on another character.) so might as well tie the last knot off here with titles.

iksde

NEMESIS_97 wrote: »

Imagine...group asks for vss achievement to get inv..you completed it on dps char that pull 90k dps..then you play on your crafter with 10k dps...get inv from group..entered in vss.....so NOPE to account achievement..you must earn specific things with specific char...closed

you can already do this but you need to log on character to copy achievement and then paste while logged on alt

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AlnilamE

Machete wrote: »

I once again refer to making a tank or healer for your group you wanna progress on with you main, which is a DPS. Do you feel the player who made the tank earned that hard dungeon/trial achievement? Or did the "character" earn it since it was willed out of existence. Things that are easy to get titles like Pact Hero or Covenant Hero or Dominion Hero aren't the topic of discussion. Those achievements alone are mind numbing to do after this long.

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I mean, you're essentially saying that your main is not capable of earning this particular achievement, so...

But your post is a good example of the issues with these threads.

Some people think achievements should be account-wide, but titles should not. Others think that titles should be account-wide, but not achievements.

For the people that want achievements to be account-wide, some think that multiple characters should make progress towards the same achievement, while others think that an achievement should only count when you have completed it fully on one character.

Personally, as long as the current display of what each character has done remains the same, I don't mind having an "Account Overview" of achievements, but I need my characters able to repeat achievements others have already done.

kargen27

Machete wrote: »

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Xebov wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
 

So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.

I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.

Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.

PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.

same could be said about your cp too your new toon didnt earn them yet you use them or that VMA staff you got with one toon yet another uses it , or that trials gear you run on an toon that has never done an trial before , or the mount , pet ect ect . this BUT THAT TOON DIDNT EARN IT IS NOT AN REASON TO SAY NO AS TOONS USE LOTS OF THINGS THEY DIDNT EARN

On this point, that the toon did not earn the CP, I agree.

It would not bother me at all if Every Character had to earn their Own CPs

Would be interesting to see how many people keep posting that 'hitting level 50 is fast and easy'.

IMHO

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Quite frankly, Many games that use a system of Max level plus a secondary leveling system once Max level is achieved require this be done Per Character. The secondary system is Not account wide.

Why can't people just be happy with the things that ARE account wide ?

Because the sooner I get my hard to get titles on my main, the sooner I'll be satisfied. The PvE world is dominated by Magblade DPS and Magcro DPS. If you didn't pick those as a DPS (or magicka) you will never see a hard core trial group. Which then questions is it the community's fault for making it a norm to have those, a dev fault? Or can we knock out two birds with one stone and do account wide achievements and titles?

As for those who like the progression, a lot of games have similar "The quest is character bound, the achievement is account." I mean, look at almost every Steam game. Or game in general. You get the achievement, you can still do the quest and replay the game. That doesn't stop that.

Achievements are not titles. Even if they do make achievements account wide you would still need to get the achievement on a particular character if you want the character have that title.

erio

Some achievements 100% should be shared, but i believe that some should be character bound. For example it wouldnt make sense for a lvl 5 to have the emperor tabard

guarstompemoji

Well, there are two things.

Achievements, and

Titles

They probably ought to be discussed separately.

iksde

erio wrote: »

Some achievements 100% should be shared, but i believe that some should be character bound. For example it wouldnt make sense for a lvl 5 to have the emperor tabard

bad argument, 1lvl character can already wear emperor's regalia, skins or personalities or even mount from dungs, trials

jedtb16_ESO

Machete wrote: »

So here's the proverbial scoop. Most of us who play ESO play different characters. Be it for raid, for PvP, for questing, for PvE, for your group of friends so no one gets stuck in a role. Because with the six classes we have, you also have one of four variants and options (Tank, Healer, Stam DPS, Mag DPS). There are different play styles, choices, builds, theories, and so on that can come from each class. Why do we HAVE to be confined to one for our achievement character?

It just doesn't make sense anymore. The game has been around for 6 years, new content has come out since launch, new stories, new builds. But yet, alting to experience it on a new character or wanting to swap to try out a new class and spec for trials or Cyrodiil is just more punishing. What if you wanna get Gryphon Heart on your main, but your team needs a healer and you are a DPS main? Most fight for their spot because they don't wanna lose that achievement or title spot in raid, or don't wanna have to level that new character because they have to get all the titles and achievements yet again.

I see nothing but a positive to this. Even if you make titles account bound, it still allows for flexibility in content and it even encourages alting and leveling and learning a new class and playstyle. You could keep achievements account wide, as once you have done it on the character the score would now represent your player achievements instead of character, or just keep the titles similar to how we keep costumes, dyes, pets we earn from completing an achievement.

played this game from pre release and this idea was frequently posted after that.
stopped playing march/april 2017 and this topic was being discussed then too. came back a few weeks ago and it's still here.

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