Account Wide Titles or Achievements

Tandor

idk wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.

In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.

BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a

The problem here is people want to equate titles to achievements. Titles should only be for the character that earns them. Other players want what all characters do apply for the achievement. As example they want any trophy fish they catch on any character count towards that achievement. The achievement should be earned by one character.

Most who oppose achievements being account wide do so for one of those two reasons. Very few would complain about a tab that lets you see your achievements across all your characters.

Most people who have objected to account-wide achievements have done it because of not wanting titles to be shard or just because they are against change.

In the end, none of that matters. The more we keep these threads alive, the more threads that keep going like this on this subject, the more likely Zos will make this happen in some form. We know the squeaky wheel gets the worm when it comes to Zos and of all the changes they have made because players have constantly asked for it this has the smallest impact on actual gameplay and balance of the game. It is more likely than not this is something that is just a matter of time.

If that were true, we'd have had an auction house long ago !

If it happens, it won't be because ZOS see the strength of the argument, it'll be because they see the option to sell more Crowns. Skill lines and skyshards are proof of that.

barney2525

WeerW3ir wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
 

So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.

I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.

Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.

PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.

same could be said about your cp too your new toon didnt earn them yet you use them or that VMA staff you got with one toon yet another uses it , or that trials gear you run on an toon that has never done an trial before , or the mount , pet ect ect . this BUT THAT TOON DIDNT EARN IT IS NOT AN REASON TO SAY NO AS TOONS USE LOTS OF THINGS THEY DIDNT EARN

On this point, that the toon did not earn the CP, I agree.

It would not bother me at all if Every Character had to earn their Own CPs

Would be interesting to see how many people keep posting that 'hitting level 50 is fast and easy'.

IMHO

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Quite frankly, Many games that use a system of Max level plus a secondary leveling system once Max level is achieved require this be done Per Character. The secondary system is Not account wide.

Why can't people just be happy with the things that ARE account wide ?

Machete

barney2525 wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
 

So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.

I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.

Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.

PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.

same could be said about your cp too your new toon didnt earn them yet you use them or that VMA staff you got with one toon yet another uses it , or that trials gear you run on an toon that has never done an trial before , or the mount , pet ect ect . this BUT THAT TOON DIDNT EARN IT IS NOT AN REASON TO SAY NO AS TOONS USE LOTS OF THINGS THEY DIDNT EARN

On this point, that the toon did not earn the CP, I agree.

It would not bother me at all if Every Character had to earn their Own CPs

Would be interesting to see how many people keep posting that 'hitting level 50 is fast and easy'.

IMHO

*veteran ranks want to know your location*

Currently in Siberia

Quite frankly, Many games that use a system of Max level plus a secondary leveling system once Max level is achieved require this be done Per Character. The secondary system is Not account wide.

Why can't people just be happy with the things that ARE account wide ?

Because the sooner I get my hard to get titles on my main, the sooner I'll be satisfied. The PvE world is dominated by Magblade DPS and Magcro DPS. If you didn't pick those as a DPS (or magicka) you will never see a hard core trial group. Which then questions is it the community's fault for making it a norm to have those, a dev fault? Or can we knock out two birds with one stone and do account wide achievements and titles?

As for those who like the progression, a lot of games have similar "The quest is character bound, the achievement is account." I mean, look at almost every Steam game. Or game in general. You get the achievement, you can still do the quest and replay the game. That doesn't stop that.

idk

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.

In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.

BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a

If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.

I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.

People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.

That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.

Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.

@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?

Not skins, but only because I want to play as an elf or khajiit and not a glowing... I have no idea ). But to the point, I certainly use any dyes on all characters and would be very upset if those were not account-wide! Titles could be seen as in the same category — a cosmetic separate from what that character has done, but I never thought them that big a deal because I rarely see them (too much clutter on the screen so I have most of that turned off). But I was curious to know whether they are the main or even only reason people want account-wide achievements.

Since you mention SWTOR, I recall finding it frustrating that the achievement for finding all the datacrons (those colored cubes that increase an attribute) on a planet was an account achievement as it could be a pain to check whether you had all on a particular character. Other things I cared about were I think easier to track.

Now in ESO, the map guides and map icons enable you to check what you’ve done in an area on a current character. For dungeons checking achievements is best and it would be nice to be able to still do so even if achievements went account-wide. I had not thought of wanting to see what you’ve done on any character (more than achievements, I would find it very helpful to know what motifs, recipes, etc. I already knew on other characters, else it is risky to buy these things on characters other than my main crafter as there is too much to remember!).

Like I said, while I’m happy with the system how it is, I would have no objection to achievements and even titles being seen account-wide. I can’t see that there would be drawbacks for anyone. Mostly I’ve just been perplexed as to why there are people so strongly for or against.

1. You made my point for me nicely. That is some people see some things shared by achievements as not that big of a deal while other things tied to achievements should not be shared because they think those things are a big deal and somehow make some difference.

2. I do not get your point about datacrons in SWTOR. There is no need to track them across different characters since all characters gain the bonus when only one character accesses the datacron. Before they made them account side it was easy to see which ones a specific character had earned.

Regardless, as I have said before, having a list of account-wide achievements as well as one for the specific character we are logged into along with titles being granted only to the character that earned them benefits both worlds.

This is a win/win/win situation. I have yet to see an actual reason why this is bad other than someone just wants it to be a different way.

AOECAPS

I would like this solely because groups frown upon Stam in VAS and VCR and know I probably won’t get certain achievements on my main because of it.

Araneae6537

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.

In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.

BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a

If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.

I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.

People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.

That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.

Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.

@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?

Not skins, but only because I want to play as an elf or khajiit and not a glowing... I have no idea ). But to the point, I certainly use any dyes on all characters and would be very upset if those were not account-wide! Titles could be seen as in the same category — a cosmetic separate from what that character has done, but I never thought them that big a deal because I rarely see them (too much clutter on the screen so I have most of that turned off). But I was curious to know whether they are the main or even only reason people want account-wide achievements.

Since you mention SWTOR, I recall finding it frustrating that the achievement for finding all the datacrons (those colored cubes that increase an attribute) on a planet was an account achievement as it could be a pain to check whether you had all on a particular character. Other things I cared about were I think easier to track.

Now in ESO, the map guides and map icons enable you to check what you’ve done in an area on a current character. For dungeons checking achievements is best and it would be nice to be able to still do so even if achievements went account-wide. I had not thought of wanting to see what you’ve done on any character (more than achievements, I would find it very helpful to know what motifs, recipes, etc. I already knew on other characters, else it is risky to buy these things on characters other than my main crafter as there is too much to remember!).

Like I said, while I’m happy with the system how it is, I would have no objection to achievements and even titles being seen account-wide. I can’t see that there would be drawbacks for anyone. Mostly I’ve just been perplexed as to why there are people so strongly for or against.

1. You made my point for me nicely. That is some people see some things shared by achievements as not that big of a deal while other things tied to achievements should not be shared because they think those things are a big deal and somehow make some difference.

2. I do not get your point about datacrons in SWTOR. There is no need to track them across different characters since all characters gain the bonus when only one character accesses the datacron. Before they made them account side it was easy to see which ones a specific character had earned.

Regardless, as I have said before, having a list of account-wide achievements as well as one for the specific character we are logged into along with titles being granted only to the character that earned them benefits both worlds.

This is a win/win/win situation. I have yet to see an actual reason why this is bad other than someone just wants it to be a different way.

1) It’s true. The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing. And so long as only one character’s progress counted toward getting the achievement still (you could have different alts fish in different zones to add up to Master Angler for the account, for example), then people couldn’t argue that their own achievements were being devalued.

2) It was a long time ago that I played SWTOR (2015?) and it was my first MMO so I may have overlooked something obvious, it’s entirely possible.

Tandor

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.

In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.

BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a

If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.

I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.

People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.

That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.

Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.

@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?

Not skins, but only because I want to play as an elf or khajiit and not a glowing... I have no idea ). But to the point, I certainly use any dyes on all characters and would be very upset if those were not account-wide! Titles could be seen as in the same category — a cosmetic separate from what that character has done, but I never thought them that big a deal because I rarely see them (too much clutter on the screen so I have most of that turned off). But I was curious to know whether they are the main or even only reason people want account-wide achievements.

Since you mention SWTOR, I recall finding it frustrating that the achievement for finding all the datacrons (those colored cubes that increase an attribute) on a planet was an account achievement as it could be a pain to check whether you had all on a particular character. Other things I cared about were I think easier to track.

Now in ESO, the map guides and map icons enable you to check what you’ve done in an area on a current character. For dungeons checking achievements is best and it would be nice to be able to still do so even if achievements went account-wide. I had not thought of wanting to see what you’ve done on any character (more than achievements, I would find it very helpful to know what motifs, recipes, etc. I already knew on other characters, else it is risky to buy these things on characters other than my main crafter as there is too much to remember!).

Like I said, while I’m happy with the system how it is, I would have no objection to achievements and even titles being seen account-wide. I can’t see that there would be drawbacks for anyone. Mostly I’ve just been perplexed as to why there are people so strongly for or against.

1. You made my point for me nicely. That is some people see some things shared by achievements as not that big of a deal while other things tied to achievements should not be shared because they think those things are a big deal and somehow make some difference.

2. I do not get your point about datacrons in SWTOR. There is no need to track them across different characters since all characters gain the bonus when only one character accesses the datacron. Before they made them account side it was easy to see which ones a specific character had earned.

Regardless, as I have said before, having a list of account-wide achievements as well as one for the specific character we are logged into along with titles being granted only to the character that earned them benefits both worlds.

This is a win/win/win situation. I have yet to see an actual reason why this is bad other than someone just wants it to be a different way.

You haven't seen any reasons because no-one objects to character-specific achievements coupled with an account-wide listing of achievements across the characters - which is what you're asking for, as opposed to just account-wide achievements which is what a lot of players are opposed to for the reasons they've given but which others are asking for.

Keep the present system but add a separate account-wide listing of achievements earned across the characters and accessed from the character selection screen and it will indeed be a win/win situation. That will satisfy those who only want to do achievements once on the account, and it will satisfy those like me who want to do achievements individually on their characters (or not do them in some instances, such as my lawful good templar not doing Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood content while I have no problem in seeing on a listing that other characters have done it). However, switch to an account-wide system which means that my lawful good character is automatically given the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood achievements and skill lines just because my nightblade assassin did them and I'm far from happy. That is not the way it should be done in a role-playing game - roles should mean something.

Dragonnord

Araneae6537 wrote: »

...The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing

Because If I worked hard during years with my melee stamDK to get 4xk achievement points and a lot of end-game content achievements (still working on some), why the heck a lazy a*s player that changes his/her main toon from meta to meta only to play the easy mode class of the moment that makes things a lot easier, or changes to play an easy mode one button heavy attack magsorc build has to be rewarded with all the achievement points and titles on the whole account? When, in fact, he/she got the points throughout different characters that, again, played to have the most powerful and easy mode build of the moment.

Does that sound fair to you? I'm sure not.

Anyone wants an achievement, title or even 5 achievement points? Then get them WITH THE SAME character!
 

what_the

Dragonnord wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

...The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing

Because If I worked hard during years with my melee stamDK to get 4xk achievement points and a lot of end-game content achievements (still working on some)...
 

Good for you, you have something to be proud of, changing the system to account wide won't change that....

Araneae6537

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barney2525

Bottom line is there are two points of view

One - The Character Earns the achievement, Not the Player

Two - The Player Earns the achievement, Not the Character

The Company seems to feel (as I do ) that it's the Character that earns the achievement - which IMHO makes the most sense

I do think having an Account wide listing to show what the total achievements a Player's total characters have earned is a good idea. But I would not want those titles to be able to be applied to characters that have not earned them.

IMHO

Dragonnord

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Araneae6537

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Dragonnord

what_the wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

...The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing

Because If I worked hard during years with my melee stamDK to get 4xk achievement points and a lot of end-game content achievements (still working on some)...
 

Good for you, you have something to be proud of, changing the system to account wide won't change that....

That doesn't mean changing the system is fair and right.

Fair and right is leaving it exactly as it is now.

You log in with your account but you play and complete content with DIFFERENT characters, and so each one deservers what they obtained.

Your Stamden doesn't deserve what your easy mode Magblade obtained.

idk

Tandor wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.

In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.

BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a

If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.

I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.

People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.

That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.

Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.

@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?

Not skins, but only because I want to play as an elf or khajiit and not a glowing... I have no idea ). But to the point, I certainly use any dyes on all characters and would be very upset if those were not account-wide! Titles could be seen as in the same category — a cosmetic separate from what that character has done, but I never thought them that big a deal because I rarely see them (too much clutter on the screen so I have most of that turned off). But I was curious to know whether they are the main or even only reason people want account-wide achievements.

Since you mention SWTOR, I recall finding it frustrating that the achievement for finding all the datacrons (those colored cubes that increase an attribute) on a planet was an account achievement as it could be a pain to check whether you had all on a particular character. Other things I cared about were I think easier to track.

Now in ESO, the map guides and map icons enable you to check what you’ve done in an area on a current character. For dungeons checking achievements is best and it would be nice to be able to still do so even if achievements went account-wide. I had not thought of wanting to see what you’ve done on any character (more than achievements, I would find it very helpful to know what motifs, recipes, etc. I already knew on other characters, else it is risky to buy these things on characters other than my main crafter as there is too much to remember!).

Like I said, while I’m happy with the system how it is, I would have no objection to achievements and even titles being seen account-wide. I can’t see that there would be drawbacks for anyone. Mostly I’ve just been perplexed as to why there are people so strongly for or against.

1. You made my point for me nicely. That is some people see some things shared by achievements as not that big of a deal while other things tied to achievements should not be shared because they think those things are a big deal and somehow make some difference.

2. I do not get your point about datacrons in SWTOR. There is no need to track them across different characters since all characters gain the bonus when only one character accesses the datacron. Before they made them account side it was easy to see which ones a specific character had earned.

Regardless, as I have said before, having a list of account-wide achievements as well as one for the specific character we are logged into along with titles being granted only to the character that earned them benefits both worlds.

This is a win/win/win situation. I have yet to see an actual reason why this is bad other than someone just wants it to be a different way.

You haven't seen any reasons because no-one objects to character-specific achievements coupled with an account-wide listing of achievements across the characters - which is what you're asking for, as opposed to just account-wide achievements which is what a lot of players are opposed to for the reasons they've given but which others are asking for.

Keep the present system but add a separate account-wide listing of achievements earned across the characters and accessed from the character selection screen and it will indeed be a win/win situation. That will satisfy those who only want to do achievements once on the account, and it will satisfy those like me who want to do achievements individually on their characters (or not do them in some instances, such as my lawful good templar not doing Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood content while I have no problem in seeing on a listing that other characters have done it). However, switch to an account-wide system which means that my lawful good character is automatically given the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood achievements and skill lines just because my nightblade assassin did them and I'm far from happy. That is not the way it should be done in a role-playing game - roles should mean something.

Then why have people been quoting me and starting they do not want such a thing?

Here is a great example. This is a link to a post in this thread by @Dragonnord suggesting the idea would somehow be a slap in the face if Zos implemented a dual account/character listing. They suggest it would benefit those who constantly switch to play the meta when in fact there is nothing such a player would really benefit other than to see they had achieved a certain rank.

Since the title would not be shared I fail to see how this harms anyone.

Araneae6537

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to have account wide achievements. I get bored just playing one character and change around a lot and I love certain titles. Some of those titles can only be earned at once per year events. What about my new character that I made just after the event ended? I have to wait an entire year before I have a chance of getting it?

Yes, that is the whole point of having an annual event. If you could use one character to get the title in 2020's event and it instantly applied across the account, what would be the point in doing the event in 2021?

As I have pointed out, titles do not need to be shared with all characters. Some games with account-wide achievements still require the character to complete the achievement themselves to get the title.

In fact, account-wide achievements do not mean character achievements go away. It is a win/win for everyone and no loss anywhere to make such a change.

BTW, anyone who is against account-wide achievements should also be against account-wide skins and dies that are tied to achievements. a

If titles still required the character completing the achievement, what would be gained by making the achievements account-wide? Perhaps I misunderstand you.

I would be against making dyes, skins, etc. NOT account-wide but rather like the achievements being by character because it gives me a feeling of accomplishment when it comes up on screen, even though there is no further reward except those few which give titles.

People can easily see what they have completed on the account. SWTOR had a very good account-wide achievement system and titles for completing significant achievements were character bound even though the entire account, on that server, could see it had been accomplished.

That is why I say it is a win/win/no loss to have account-wide achievements with with a list of character achievements and having titles remain only with the character that earned it. After all most of the game is account bound, not character bound.

Also, those against account-wide achievements should also be against account-bound armor and prefer character bound. It really does make more sense.

@Araneae6537 So you have skins from trial clears and use them on some characters?

Not skins, but only because I want to play as an elf or khajiit and not a glowing... I have no idea ). But to the point, I certainly use any dyes on all characters and would be very upset if those were not account-wide! Titles could be seen as in the same category — a cosmetic separate from what that character has done, but I never thought them that big a deal because I rarely see them (too much clutter on the screen so I have most of that turned off). But I was curious to know whether they are the main or even only reason people want account-wide achievements.

Since you mention SWTOR, I recall finding it frustrating that the achievement for finding all the datacrons (those colored cubes that increase an attribute) on a planet was an account achievement as it could be a pain to check whether you had all on a particular character. Other things I cared about were I think easier to track.

Now in ESO, the map guides and map icons enable you to check what you’ve done in an area on a current character. For dungeons checking achievements is best and it would be nice to be able to still do so even if achievements went account-wide. I had not thought of wanting to see what you’ve done on any character (more than achievements, I would find it very helpful to know what motifs, recipes, etc. I already knew on other characters, else it is risky to buy these things on characters other than my main crafter as there is too much to remember!).

Like I said, while I’m happy with the system how it is, I would have no objection to achievements and even titles being seen account-wide. I can’t see that there would be drawbacks for anyone. Mostly I’ve just been perplexed as to why there are people so strongly for or against.

1. You made my point for me nicely. That is some people see some things shared by achievements as not that big of a deal while other things tied to achievements should not be shared because they think those things are a big deal and somehow make some difference.

2. I do not get your point about datacrons in SWTOR. There is no need to track them across different characters since all characters gain the bonus when only one character accesses the datacron. Before they made them account side it was easy to see which ones a specific character had earned.

Regardless, as I have said before, having a list of account-wide achievements as well as one for the specific character we are logged into along with titles being granted only to the character that earned them benefits both worlds.

This is a win/win/win situation. I have yet to see an actual reason why this is bad other than someone just wants it to be a different way.

You haven't seen any reasons because no-one objects to character-specific achievements coupled with an account-wide listing of achievements across the characters - which is what you're asking for, as opposed to just account-wide achievements which is what a lot of players are opposed to for the reasons they've given but which others are asking for.

Keep the present system but add a separate account-wide listing of achievements earned across the characters and accessed from the character selection screen and it will indeed be a win/win situation. That will satisfy those who only want to do achievements once on the account, and it will satisfy those like me who want to do achievements individually on their characters (or not do them in some instances, such as my lawful good templar not doing Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood content while I have no problem in seeing on a listing that other characters have done it). However, switch to an account-wide system which means that my lawful good character is automatically given the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood achievements and skill lines just because my nightblade assassin did them and I'm far from happy. That is not the way it should be done in a role-playing game - roles should mean something.

Then why have people been quoting me and starting they do not want such a thing?

Here is a great example. This is a link to a post in this thread by @Dragonnord suggesting the idea would somehow be a slap in the face if Zos implemented a dual account/character listing. They suggest it would benefit those who constantly switch to play the meta when in fact there is nothing such a player would really benefit other than to see they had achieved a certain rank.

Since the title would not be shared I fail to see how this harms anyone.

I was confused by their posts too — perhaps they meant to quote and respond to a different post? It sounds to me like they would object to titles and certainly achievement progression being account-wide (I don’t think anyone is asking for the latter, are they?). I don’t think anyone would object to being able to view both individual character achievements as well as all the achievements on their account.

Nordic__Knights

Dragonnord wrote: »

what_the wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

...The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing

Because If I worked hard during years with my melee stamDK to get 4xk achievement points and a lot of end-game content achievements (still working on some)...
 

Good for you, you have something to be proud of, changing the system to account wide won't change that....

That doesn't mean changing the system is fair and right.

Fair and right is leaving it exactly as it is now.

You log in with your account but you play and complete content with DIFFERENT characters, and so each one deservers what they obtained.

Your Stamden doesn't deserve what your easy mode Magblade obtained.

Here with this so any cp gear gold ect ect gotten by any other toon shouldn't be used by an other as THEY DIDN'T OBTAIN THEM ? We play an game that has added in new classes and destroyed others in its 7 years so not seeing the need for account wide ACHIEVEMENT POINTS is actually an QOL for everyone and doing so wouldn't stop other toons from doing any achievements just wouldn't have 20k achievement points on one an 15k here 24k there 10k over there it all be ONE ACCOUNT WIDE amount

Araneae6537

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

what_the wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

...The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing

Because If I worked hard during years with my melee stamDK to get 4xk achievement points and a lot of end-game content achievements (still working on some)...
 

Good for you, you have something to be proud of, changing the system to account wide won't change that....

That doesn't mean changing the system is fair and right.

Fair and right is leaving it exactly as it is now.

You log in with your account but you play and complete content with DIFFERENT characters, and so each one deservers what they obtained.

Your Stamden doesn't deserve what your easy mode Magblade obtained.

Here with this so any cp gear gold ect ect gotten by any other toon shouldn't be used by an other as THEY DIDN'T OBTAIN THEM ? We play an game that has added in new classes and destroyed others in its 7 years so not seeing the need for account wide ACHIEVEMENT POINTS is actually an QOL for everyone and doing so wouldn't stop other toons from doing any achievements just wouldn't have 20k achievement points on one an 15k here 24k there 10k over there it all be ONE ACCOUNT WIDE amount

What would be the benefit of having achievement points be account-wide? How is it a QoL thing? I can see wanting to be able to view all the achievements you’ve completed on an account. What is the point of achievement points in ESO anyway? If they did matter, than your proposal would reward those who create max characters to earn all the quickest achievements, which is probably why, in games where achievement points do add up to something (GW2 being the one I am familiar with), the achievements themselves are also by account and not by character.

Nordic__Knights

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

what_the wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

...The more I read the arguments, the more I don’t understand why some people are against it, so long as they lose nothing

Because If I worked hard during years with my melee stamDK to get 4xk achievement points and a lot of end-game content achievements (still working on some)...
 

Good for you, you have something to be proud of, changing the system to account wide won't change that....

That doesn't mean changing the system is fair and right.

Fair and right is leaving it exactly as it is now.

You log in with your account but you play and complete content with DIFFERENT characters, and so each one deservers what they obtained.

Your Stamden doesn't deserve what your easy mode Magblade obtained.

Here with this so any cp gear gold ect ect gotten by any other toon shouldn't be used by an other as THEY DIDN'T OBTAIN THEM ? We play an game that has added in new classes and destroyed others in its 7 years so not seeing the need for account wide ACHIEVEMENT POINTS is actually an QOL for everyone and doing so wouldn't stop other toons from doing any achievements just wouldn't have 20k achievement points on one an 15k here 24k there 10k over there it all be ONE ACCOUNT WIDE amount

What would be the benefit of having achievement points be account-wide? How is it a QoL thing? I can see wanting to be able to view all the achievements you’ve completed on an account. What is the point of achievement points in ESO anyway? If they did matter, than your proposal would reward those who create max characters to earn all the quickest achievements, which is probably why, in games where achievement points do add up to something (GW2 being the one I am familiar with), the achievements themselves are also by account and not by character.

as far as i know you get nothing for your points but bragging rights for being at x and i said to use the points as it well be easy to lock the points for 1st time achievement gets done so as other toons can still go after achievement just not get point twice ect ect for doing achievement x amount of times but give player an over all showing of what they have and havent done from one toon to the next

iksde

barney2525 wrote: »

Like it or not, the Achievements are designed to be applied to the Character - Not the Player

No one has ever answered this : How does a character who has never baited a hook start out with Master Fisherman (or whatever the official title is), or Never been in a delve in a particular zone, why would they have the title that they have completed All the Delves? Or why would every character start with the Master Crafter title?

It makes No sense to arbitrarily apply ALL the titles to Every character just because a single character achieved them one time. That is what the Rewards are for.

IMHO

and how does a cheracter who is freshly created, not even 10lvl and is able to wear emperor's regalia costume earned by another character by gaining emperor on cyrodil?

how does character who never entered into even normal Moonhunter Keep is able to walk with Beast personality?

how does character can use dyes earned from crafting, master crafting, for completing different dungeons if have never entered into single dungeon and have 1lvl in every crafting skill? he havn't touched a single crafting station and he can use dyes for this

how does character who never entered into cloudrest even on normal can use skin earned from other character which need to complete veteran cloudrest +3 to get it?

how does freshly created character whchich didnt even completed tutorial is able to use all of 810 champion points earned by different characcter while on this low lvl character you cant even gain a single experience point into CP untill you get it to 50lvl

titles are not different from all of this if we mean for account wide things or per character, all or nothing I will say without exceptions becaue literally everything of this we can throw into single bag by who, by which character what was earned

LalMirchi

No?

iksde

Tandor wrote: »

fatmanatcomp wrote: »

I’d like account wide achievements please. It’s what about what I have done and not what pixels I’m using.

Do you therefore want all experience and quest completions to be account-wide too? If not, why not? Are they not also about what you have done and not the pixels you're using?

I as player for account wide achievs will answer to this because others seems to try to miss it

(and as someone who in different thrad asked me if there would be acheivements as for "completionist" to ahve completed all things, acheivements wanting you to be afk in game for 6 hours, 12 and 24hours - yes I responded I would stay for this achievements to have it completed if even this was a thing for completionist players)

I would have no problem with it
get it toggable or whatewher who want account wide achievs and who dont want but as you asked for also shared experience and quests completion if it as bound with accoutn shared achievements I would have no problem with even that being a thing

I would be even more happy I could split or link character together and make 1 character hero of 1 part of tamriel and 2nd character hero of other part of tamriel and 3rd character a hero for another part of tamriel! making it 3 different heroes for all tamriel instead of single powerfull beast who could save alone full world

Sirona_Starr

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Oh really

idk wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade (so easy, right?) or with your easy mode one button Magsorc heavy attack build but, however, you stink using your Stamden, and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?
 

So who cares about that? Flawless Conquerer is always brought up during these discussions and its a completely overrated title. The majority of players have no idea what it is and also dont realy care. Its rarely that i ever read titles from players to begin with because there is no reason to do so. Also additionally your argument could even be used against you. If someone did the Achievment years ago when it was alot harder they could complain that you get it nowadays with alot less efford. So not realy an argument here.

I used vMA just as an example, so call it vMA, Fongal Grotto 1 normal or whatever you like; if your charater didn't complete it then it doesn't deserve the title. A Magblade that has Godslayer is a Magblade that has Godslayer, a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto is a Stamblade that didn't put a foot in Fungal Grotto. Period.

Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give the titles or achievements to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it. Period.

PS: And if vMA is easy or it was easier before or now, that's not the discussion in this thread.

And that magblade will have the title Godslayer but none of their alts who have not obtained it will not have the title. This is very much how SWTOR did it and it worked well. In SWTOR only characters that completed the raid and objectives in Nightmare mode have the titles but the account shows the achievement. It works great.

The most important part is I do not see any reasoning provided here as to how account-wide achievements harm anyone. Without that there is no real justification to not have them.

Edit:
What is funny is the same people that do not want account-wide achievements would probably be upset if the gear was no longer account-wide. The same argument can be made. Easy mode build characters SHOULD NOT give gear or weapons to other characters that haven't or can't complete the content. You want it, do it, complete it, Period.

It is interesting how that works.

Whats next? Account wide lvl? Account wide quest progress? "Oh no. I cannot lvl up 50 level. We need instant 50 level and all zones and quests must be done ".

Seriously people. Stop being so spoiled...

So i say a big no. This is an mmo. Wow, gw2 etc does not have account wide achievements neither quests. We do not need either here!!!

New characters start with CP earned by another toon, regardless of level. Getting to level 50 is super easy.

iksde

Dragonnord wrote: »

Your Stamden doesn't deserve what your easy mode Magblade obtained.

then go farm literally every piece of gear separately for your stamden, no any other character but only your stamden because you will be using it on your stamden instead of farming it on easy mode other already geared up character

Fuzzybrick

I'd love it if all skill points and avengement period were account wide.
Basically when I hit 50 I want access to everything I've already unlocked. It would make these expansions so much more enjoyable... I think I'd actually pay attention to the story line if this were the case. I'm constantly just mashing X to get through the quest cuz I got to do it again 9 other times.

WeerW3ir

Fuzzybrick wrote: »

I'd love it if all skill points and avengement period were account wide.
Basically when I hit 50 I want access to everything I've already unlocked. It would make these expansions so much more enjoyable... I think I'd actually pay attention to the story line if this were the case. I'm constantly just mashing X to get through the quest cuz I got to do it again 9 other times.

This is an mmo. What would be the point of playing the game if you collect/gain everything once and then youre just literaly get bored into the game? because yes. that is the point. you gain everything at once then. thats it. youre quitting in 1-2 month.

Idinuse

Machete wrote: »

So here's the proverbial scoop. Most of us who play ESO play different characters. Be it for raid, for PvP, for questing, for PvE, for your group of friends so no one gets stuck in a role. Because with the six classes we have, you also have one of four variants and options (Tank, Healer, Stam DPS, Mag DPS). There are different play styles, choices, builds, theories, and so on that can come from each class. Why do we HAVE to be confined to one for our achievement character?

It just doesn't make sense anymore. The game has been around for 6 years, new content has come out since launch, new stories, new builds. But yet, alting to experience it on a new character or wanting to swap to try out a new class and spec for trials or Cyrodiil is just more punishing. What if you wanna get Gryphon Heart on your main, but your team needs a healer and you are a DPS main? Most fight for their spot because they don't wanna lose that achievement or title spot in raid, or don't wanna have to level that new character because they have to get all the titles and achievements yet again.

I see nothing but a positive to this. Even if you make titles account bound, it still allows for flexibility in content and it even encourages alting and leveling and learning a new class and playstyle. You could keep achievements account wide, as once you have done it on the character the score would now represent your player achievements instead of character, or just keep the titles similar to how we keep costumes, dyes, pets we earn from completing an achievement.

Yes. I've always been irritated how achievements I've accomplished as a player in the game is accredited to the character I did it with only. XD

NEMESIS_97

Imagine...group asks for vss achievement to get inv..you completed it on dps char that pull 90k dps..then you play on your crafter with 10k dps...get inv from group..entered in vss.....so NOPE to account achievement..you must earn specific things with specific char...closed

zvavi

NEMESIS_97 wrote: »

Imagine...group asks for vss achievement to get inv..you completed it on dps char that pull 90k dps..then you play on your crafter with 10k dps...get inv from group..entered in vss.....so NOPE to account achievement..you must earn specific things with specific char...closed

lol, you can link any achievement in game by the code, that logic that because people will "fake achievements" is just plain wrong. you can literally link godslayer achievement on any character, completed in 2014. and with addons it is already possible to link achievements from other characters already without messing around with the keyboard.

Drdeath20

If you do this, then whats the point of achievements?

Make it already more meaningless than it already is?