New Moon Acolyte nerf

xaraan · July 2020

According to zos math, if 5% cost increase is worth 101 damage, then looking at breton's cost reduction, the damage boosts that elf and orc get should be reduced down to about 160 (or the cost reduction for breton and probably some other non damage racials from other races need boosted).

wild_kmacdb16_ESO · July 2020

I still dont understand how reducing weapon power resolves the cost penalty being made irrelevant in some large group activities.
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Integral1900 · July 2020

Like a few people have said this change is obviously because they simply needed an excuse to nerf a set that was still appealing but from a slightly older bit of content. They need to encourage us to to buy their new ‘fun’ content therefore the older sets have to be nefed

They could’ve chosen any excuse at random but ultimately it boils down to a sales tactic, they do something similar every time there is a new content release. Adding powerful new sets and then reducing them once the next set of content comes out. This is nothing unusual and it’s one of the reasons I stick to old sets where I can, I just can’t be bothered any more with their marketing departments gear merry-go-round

It’s almost offensive that that was the excuse they chose given the number of solo players, PVP and PVE that use this set. It also shows absolutely no regard for people who like more unusual play styles such as hybrids

mzprx · July 2020

wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »

I still dont understand how reducing weapon power resolves the cost penalty being made irrelevant in some large group activities.
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it does not, but you can't have a crafted set that is better than those shiny new (or old) DLC dungeon sets that you have to buy or be ESO+ to enter. who would spend real money for those when you can have a better alternative for free? i've mentioned it before, it's just a cash grab, nothing more. how long has NMA been in the game? and NOW it's "too strong"? nah. they need to sell the new DLCs..

Runefang · July 2020

Integral1900 wrote: »

Like a few people have said this change is obviously because they simply needed an excuse to nerf a set that was still appealing but from a slightly older bit of content. They need to encourage us to to buy their new ‘fun’ content therefore the older sets have to be nefed

They could’ve chosen any excuse at random but ultimately it boils down to a sales tactic, they do something similar every time there is a new content release. Adding powerful new sets and then reducing them once the next set of content comes out. This is nothing unusual and it’s one of the reasons I stick to old sets where I can, I just can’t be bothered any more with their marketing departments gear merry-go-round

It’s almost offensive that that was the excuse they chose given the number of solo players, PVP and PVE that use this set. It also shows absolutely no regard for people who like more unusual play styles such as hybrids

If this were true they wouldn’t have buffed so many old sets. Medusa’s for example.

Integral1900 · July 2020

Runefang wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Like a few people have said this change is obviously because they simply needed an excuse to nerf a set that was still appealing but from a slightly older bit of content. They need to encourage us to to buy their new ‘fun’ content therefore the older sets have to be nefed

They could’ve chosen any excuse at random but ultimately it boils down to a sales tactic, they do something similar every time there is a new content release. Adding powerful new sets and then reducing them once the next set of content comes out. This is nothing unusual and it’s one of the reasons I stick to old sets where I can, I just can’t be bothered any more with their marketing departments gear merry-go-round

It’s almost offensive that that was the excuse they chose given the number of solo players, PVP and PVE that use this set. It also shows absolutely no regard for people who like more unusual play styles such as hybrids

If this were true they wouldn’t have buffed so many old sets. Medusa’s for example.

Because that set dates back to one Tamriel, comes from the base game and does not therefore compete with current dlc. The pattern has been established for years now. New sets are either at the top end of the power ranger or blatantly overpowered and they then get quietly chopped down as time goes past. If you want anything stable in this game you’re going to have to stick to base game sets in one way shape or form simply because they’re the least likely to find themselves under the hammer. Sometimes these things will get nerfed to get people to do the old dungeons in much the same way that they have to put overpowered items in the new dungeons to get more people to run them.

After all you need to put plenty of rewards to get people to put up with all the god-awful tedious, glitch fest mechanics they keeps stuffing into the new ones

Also, there are sets lurking in the new dungeons that make even the modified medusa look about as scary as a week old radish ☹️

MurderMostFoul · July 2020

As others have said, it's simply a case of:

Lots of people have used it for awhile -> time to nerf it to shift the meta and force people to acquire new gear

TX12001rwb17_ESO · July 2020

On the plus side you probably will not suffer much in PvP, a lot of other sets people rely on are being nerfed as well, this is at least one of the smaller nerfs, 80 less power is not really much of a decrease.

Lortie · July 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

On the plus side you probably will not suffer much in PvP, a lot of other sets people rely on are being nerfed as well, this is at least one of the smaller nerfs, 80 less power is not really much of a decrease.

80 weapons damage might not seem like much if your looking at everything that goes into making a character, but reducing the total damage of this set while retaining the cost increase makes NMA just plain and simply not worth it when you compare it to other similar performing sets with no all-cost increase.

Emma_Overload · July 2020

This set was perfectly balanced, now there is no reason to wear it, because Julianos is better.

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

On the plus side you probably will not suffer much in PvP, a lot of other sets people rely on are being nerfed as well, this is at least one of the smaller nerfs, 80 less power is not really much of a decrease.

Proc set meta incoming next patch... So very soon there will come a time that people will miss stat-buffing sets being used...

80 is more something like 90 - 110 if you take into account various passives (such as Medium Armor's "Agility" that boosts your Weapon Damage by 15%).

Runefang · July 2020

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

As others have said, it's simply a case of:

Lots of people have used it for awhile -> time to nerf it to shift the meta and force people to acquire new gear

Well clearly that’s BS, the item set meta for PvE mag changes slower than a glacier.

BrightflameMDV · July 2020

A complete disregard to solo players and PvPers, ruined a perfectly well balanced set for no reason what so ever. We don't buy this reasoning ZOS, BS excuse and you know it.

StarOfElyon · July 2020

sentientomega wrote: »

I wish they would not destroy any reason to have crafters, as they seem to be doing here. 80 doesn't like a huge loss, but you can bet this is only the beginning. I can accept that drops will always be more powerful than crafted sets, so that people will farm them, but please don't make crafted sets useless.

It's a huge loss to my hybrid since I only have 2549 spell damage and 2634 weapon damage. People say I'm being over-dramatic when I say that this will kill my build.

Fhritz · July 2020

BrightflameMDV wrote: »

A complete disregard to solo players and PvPers, ruined a perfectly well balanced set for no reason what so ever. We don't buy this reasoning ZOS, BS excuse and you know it.

So true, it seems that ZOS want to kill every "good" sets at every update. This set was good when you were building around it, like every set with malus. You can't say that you nerf a set because you can negate it. #RIPnma

kylermacdb16_ESO · July 2020

It’s interesting to me because the Molag Kena monster set was buffed in patch 6.0, and that set works the same as the 5 pc NMA set ... which is now nerfed

Lord-Otto · July 2020

You need to proc Molag Kena first, NMA is always there.

newtinmpls · July 2020

SORjosh wrote: »

If there are any other sets that people want nerfed just let me know. Without fail, every time i gold a set of jewelry out ZOS pulls out the nerf hammer and crushes my efforts.

In my entire ESO experience (I have played mostly PC NA with forays into PC EU since about a month after launch) I have literally golded ONE bit of jewelry.

Don't have enough trust in ZoS to think that anything much will stay useful for long. And maybe that's just how MMO's roll, but I will say running with purple in general has saved me a lot of frustration.

Runefang · July 2020

newtinmpls wrote: »

SORjosh wrote: »

If there are any other sets that people want nerfed just let me know. Without fail, every time i gold a set of jewelry out ZOS pulls out the nerf hammer and crushes my efforts.

In my entire ESO experience (I have played mostly PC NA with forays into PC EU since about a month after launch) I have literally golded ONE bit of jewelry.

Don't have enough trust in ZoS to think that anything much will stay useful for long. And maybe that's just how MMO's roll, but I will say running with purple in general has saved me a lot of frustration.

If you just think that any build you make has a maximum use time of 3 months you’ll be happier. If it lasts longer then that’s just a positive.

Spizzie · July 2020

Battlefield Acrobat and Alteration Mastery both have a 6% reduction to ability cost as their 5 piece bonus.

New Moon has 182 more damage than Julianos/Hundings, but a 5% increase to ability cost (83% of Alteration 5 piece).

So even before the nerf, they are stating that an extra 182 Weapon damage is worth 83% of a 5 piece bonus. That doesn't add up on its own. Now they're saying it's only 102 extra damage and you should incur a penalty that is strong enough to negate 83% of a standard 5 piece bonus.

xaraan · July 2020

I still think the more important thing is that the existence of NMA creates a "value" between spell/wpn damage and cost reduction/rss management.

Where it was at 5%/480 creates a value that is somewhat equal to the bonus a High Elf/Orc gets in damage vs. rss management classes like Breton at 8% cost reduction. (Looking at the damage over Juli/Hundings 480-300/5 roughly, it won't be exact because 2/3/4 pc bonuses are a minor factor, but not as big a deal as anyone that wants to use them for a point thinks they are). The other factor to remember is rss management is much more fluid, base damage has always been strong, but rss bonuses like reduction and regen deepend

By lowering the damage of NMA, zos admits they are wrong about racials and much of the feedback telling them races like Altmer and Orc were too strong at 275 bonus was correct. (the math would put their bonus more at like 160 according to NMA or raise the bonuses for regen races by quite a bit).

Sure, the math isn't always going to be a 1:1 on something like this, but it does give us a fairly close baseline in how they view bonus damage vs. resource management and frankly, if they think NMA is currently balanced on PTS, then their racials are not.

sabresandiego_ESO · July 2020

xaraan wrote: »

I still think the more important thing is that the existence of NMA creates a "value" between spell/wpn damage and cost reduction/rss management.

Where it was at 5%/480 creates a value that is somewhat equal to the bonus a High Elf/Orc gets in damage vs. rss management classes like Breton at 8% cost reduction. (Looking at the damage over Juli/Hundings 480-300/5 roughly, it won't be exact because 2/3/4 pc bonuses are a minor factor, but not as big a deal as anyone that wants to use them for a point thinks they are). The other factor to remember is rss management is much more fluid, base damage has always been strong, but rss bonuses like reduction and regen deepend

By lowering the damage of NMA, zos admits they are wrong about racials and much of the feedback telling them races like Altmer and Orc were too strong at 275 bonus was correct. (the math would put their bonus more at like 160 according to NMA or raise the bonuses for regen races by quite a bit).

Sure, the math isn't always going to be a 1:1 on something like this, but it does give us a fairly close baseline in how they view bonus damage vs. resource management and frankly, if they think NMA is currently balanced on PTS, then their racials are not.

You’re not taking into consideration that you can single bar NMA. That’s a huge oversight on your analysis and one of the main reasons this set is stronger than face value and so over used.

ExistingRug61 · July 2020

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I still think the more important thing is that the existence of NMA creates a "value" between spell/wpn damage and cost reduction/rss management.

Where it was at 5%/480 creates a value that is somewhat equal to the bonus a High Elf/Orc gets in damage vs. rss management classes like Breton at 8% cost reduction. (Looking at the damage over Juli/Hundings 480-300/5 roughly, it won't be exact because 2/3/4 pc bonuses are a minor factor, but not as big a deal as anyone that wants to use them for a point thinks they are). The other factor to remember is rss management is much more fluid, base damage has always been strong, but rss bonuses like reduction and regen deepend

By lowering the damage of NMA, zos admits they are wrong about racials and much of the feedback telling them races like Altmer and Orc were too strong at 275 bonus was correct. (the math would put their bonus more at like 160 according to NMA or raise the bonuses for regen races by quite a bit).

Sure, the math isn't always going to be a 1:1 on something like this, but it does give us a fairly close baseline in how they view bonus damage vs. resource management and frankly, if they think NMA is currently balanced on PTS, then their racials are not.

You’re not taking into consideration that you can single bar NMA. That’s a huge oversight on your analysis and one of the main reasons this set is stronger than face value and so over used.

Conversely, he is also excluding the fact that NMA increases all costs, including ult, dodge, block, and offstat/health costing abilities, whereas the racial cost reduction is only for the primary stat. So sure, it is not a 1:1 comparison and there are other factors at play like you have raised, but these can go both ways and be more or less relevant depending on the build.
For this reason doing such a direct mathematical comparison of the values is still relevant and interesting when trying to assess the relative baseline power of the set/ability.

pklemming · July 2020

If this was nerfed on the basis that the etra cost was alleviated and did not make a difference on the set, why not just remove the 5% bonus. After all, it is being absorbed anyway, and this would at least help the solo player stomach the nerf a tad.

precambria · July 2020

It was making too many other sets obsolete and it was overtuned, every single good player said it was going to get nerfed from the time it was available and now it's happening to the surprise of nobody with eyes in their head.

SRASinister · August 2020

Still think they should have buffed other supposed damage sets up instead of nerfing it. There are still way too many tanky players that can hit hard. Fights are just going to last longer and longer now

scorpius2k1 · August 2020

Azurya wrote: »

New Moon Acolyte: Reduced the Weapon and Spell Damage granted from this set’s 5 piece bonus to 401, down from 481. This was done to make up for the fact that the resource cost increase penalty can be easily alleviated in group settings by having allies supply you with sets or synergies.

and what if I am using it as soloplayer.................
this is ridiculous, why??? WHY???

I'm actually surprised they don't make something like this dynamic meaning IF you are in a group (4 or greater) then the gear will automatically scale, if you are not in a group setting (solo) then no nerf, nothing changes. Seems more logical to me or maybe just a moot point idk. One thing we all know is this is a never ending cycle. Curious what the next great nerfing will be, wait, maybe not.

There is also a chance that they will just put things back or over buff existing nerfs with upcoming patches since the "dog chasing it's tail" conundrum is a pretty well known practice by devs in this game which far exceeds only the gear aspect. js.

ebix_ · August 2020

all these posts about new moon change , all the feedbacks and they didn't reverse it
it's seems 80 weapon damage worth more to them than all of our feedbacks .

Tannus15 · August 2020

ebix_ wrote: »

all these posts about new moon change , all the feedbacks and they didn't reverse it
it's seems 80 weapon damage worth more to them than all of our feedbacks .

I think what you mean is they know that 80 weapon damage isn't actually that big a deal and you won't even notice when it goes live.

Firstmep · August 2020

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I think they are balancing the game based on a cp enabled setting. They wanted to kill the tank meta, which they had made strides in Greymoor.

They are reducing sets that provide a lot of weapon/spell damage directly to keep healing low imo. They are making access to sources of damage very accessible, without allowing players to easily double dip via weapon/spell damage. This patch will be really tough in no cp environments.

I would like them to be more honest about their intentions as the reason for this nerf seems like nonsense.

This. They're also buffing sets like Alessian and juggernaut etc.
It's clear that they want people to use defensive sets if they want to be tanky.
Unfortunately they don't understand that not all classes are the same, if they wanted to balance things out they could curb the healing potential on some classes like warden and necro.