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Should our pre-Greymoor vet Maelstrom and vet Dragonst weapons to be upgraded for perfected ones?
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Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Thechuckage wrote: »Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.
The addition of that attribute does make the weapon uniquely different than any previous design of the MA or Master weapon. So yes, it is accurate and appropriate to call the Perfected MA and Master weapons new.
No. They have changed sets wildly before, so much that they didn't resemble their old version at all any more. And still they forced those changes on all previously acquired sets, instead of introducing new ones.
Just last patch, Tremorscale was completely overhauled. It is, for all intents and purposes, a completely new set. But they didn't keep the old version, they changed all sets in the game.
They added an attribute to all Perfected Asylum weapons (and changed other things, as well). Still, they didn't introduce those as new weapons, they nerfed them all.
The hypocrisy in all this is ... mindboggling.5 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Thechuckage wrote: »Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.
The addition of that attribute does make the weapon uniquely different than any previous design of the MA or Master weapon. So yes, it is accurate and appropriate to call the Perfected MA and Master weapons new.
No. They have changed sets wildly before, so much that they didn't resemble their old version at all any more. And still they forced those changes on all previously acquired sets, instead of introducing new ones.
Just last patch, Tremorscale was completely overhauled. It is, for all intents and purposes, a completely new set. But they didn't keep the old version, they changed all sets in the game.
They added an attribute to all Perfected Asylum weapons (and changed other things, as well). Still, they didn't introduce those as new weapons, they nerfed them all.
The hypocrisy in all this is ... mindboggling.
But the name didn't change so it's not new.
Sarcasm aside, its a blatant double standard on ZoS part considering their handling of other sets. As others have said, if an increase to difficulty to the arena had been added, there would likely be a lot less complaining.
It was handled in the laziest, cheapest and most ill-thought out manner possible. Only way it could have been worse would be to drop the perfected into nMA, which would have been.....actually kinda hilarious.2 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!I was very much in the weapons should be updated camp. However the ship has sailed, decision was made, and many weeks have gone by since Graymoor has launched. At this point many of us, including me, have refarmed the weapons. It took me around 30 vMA and 10 vDSA runs to get what I wanted. That was a lot of time these past few weeks and I would be upset if I learned it wasn’t necessary. It would be even more insulting at this point to reverse the decision.0 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!At this point many of us, including me, have refarmed the weapons. It took me around 30 vMA and 10 vDSA runs to get what I wanted. That was a lot of time these past few weeks and I would be upset if I learned it wasn’t necessary. It would be even more insulting at this point to reverse the decision.
Interesting, now somebody is afraid that their 30 runs could be wasted... No matter that other players did 100 runs, or few 100's of runs in the past 
There is nothing more insulting in the game so far, than Maelstrom weapons dropping at normal MA since Greymoor (and of course, not updating veteran weapons for all who already had them).
I see that many people are cheering cause of it, and it's actually scary. At this point, nothing stops developers to raise the gear cap to CP180, for example. People would complain (like about MA and DSA weapons), and then most of people would just go back to game and refarm all gear
Such strong wish to refarm same gear shows that it's acceptable to disrespect players so much 
In one old thread where people demanded to drop slightly worse version of vMA weapons in normal arena, somebody rightfully told: MA is so easy that final chest should have nothing more than simple rubedite dagger of fire, for all the effort... And years later, here we are - final chest in super easy arena drops veteran rewards
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Thechuckage wrote: »Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.
The addition of that attribute does make the weapon uniquely different than any previous design of the MA or Master weapon. So yes, it is accurate and appropriate to call the Perfected MA and Master weapons new.
No. They have changed sets wildly before . . .
The hypocrisy in all this is ... mindboggling.
Yes, they have. But this was not changing a set as the set that was in-game is still in-game. So not hypocrisy either.Edited by idk on June 29, 2020 3:26PM0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Already got 3 perfect inferno staves. And I didn't even farm it, just cleared it once a week for weekly leaderboard with each character. Actualy, all 3 infernos I got were from weekly rewards.Edited by Olupajmibanan on June 29, 2020 3:38PM0 -
Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Thechuckage wrote: »Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.
The addition of that attribute does make the weapon uniquely different than any previous design of the MA or Master weapon. So yes, it is accurate and appropriate to call the Perfected MA and Master weapons new.
No. They have changed sets wildly before . . .
The hypocrisy in all this is ... mindboggling.
Yes, they have. But this was not changing a set as the set that was in-game is still in-game. So not hypocrisy either.
"Hey, guys, where are the goal posts?"
"Ah, they moved over there."
As for new vs not-new set, I said that before: That decision was entirely arbitrary. But apparently, you seem to like going in circles. 2 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!At this point many of us, including me, have refarmed the weapons. It took me around 30 vMA and 10 vDSA runs to get what I wanted. That was a lot of time these past few weeks and I would be upset if I learned it wasn’t necessary. It would be even more insulting at this point to reverse the decision.
Interesting, now somebody is afraid that their 30 runs could be wasted... No matter that other players did 100 runs, or few 100's of runs in the past
There is nothing more insulting in the game so far, than Maelstrom weapons dropping at normal MA since Greymoor (and of course, not updating veteran weapons for all who already had them).
I see that many people are cheering cause of it, and it's actually scary. At this point, nothing stops developers to raise the gear cap to CP180, for example. People would complain (like about MA and DSA weapons), and then most of people would just go back to game and refarm all gear Such strong wish to refarm same gear shows that it's acceptable to disrespect players so much
In one old thread where people demanded to drop slightly worse version of vMA weapons in normal arena, somebody rightfully told: MA is so easy that final chest should have nothing more than simple rubedite dagger of fire, for all the effort... And years later, here we are - final chest in super easy arena drops veteran rewards
At this point if they did reverse themselves, it would be a poor decision. The ship sailed and turning it around would just *** off everyone.
Showing the displeasure and hopefully keeping them from pulling a similar idea in the future has become the point. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, plenty of players have embraced it. Time will tell.1 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!At this point many of us, including me, have refarmed the weapons. It took me around 30 vMA and 10 vDSA runs to get what I wanted. That was a lot of time these past few weeks and I would be upset if I learned it wasn’t necessary. It would be even more insulting at this point to reverse the decision.
Interesting, now somebody is afraid that their 30 runs could be wasted... No matter that other players did 100 runs, or few 100's of runs in the past
There is nothing more insulting in the game so far, than Maelstrom weapons dropping at normal MA since Greymoor (and of course, not updating veteran weapons for all who already had them).
Dude I’ve run this thing well over 500 times. I 1st completed it when it first came out, when drops weren’t guaranteed, when I had way less cp, and when progress couldn’t be saved. I ran it and ran it and ran it - skipping out on content with friends - trying for a sharpened bow and inferno. Neither ever dropped for me until after traits were revamped. It took clockwork city and transmutation before I had the pieces I wanted.
I was mad as hell when they announced that they weren’t updating things with Graymoor and that drops would be given for normal. It felt like all my effort was wasted. But the ship has sailed, the decision was made and its not going to change. The time to make this change was before the patch dropped; it’s too late now.
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JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Somebody should drag this dead horse out of the room.
I keep this horse alive to get apologizes for us from Zenimax for not updating arena weapons as a case of very toxic attitude to us players.
The goal is to prevent such actions in a future.
Respectable relationships or any relationships.
I have any interest in taking part in eso at all if such toxic trash as happened is possible.all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.3 -
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