Should our pre-Greymoor vet Maelstrom and vet Dragonst weapons to be upgraded for perfected ones?

JusticeSouldier

Guys, please lets up this thing.
It's very important to show our reaction to this disrespect to all our lifetime spent for this in the past for this boring content.
We got arena weapons form veteran arenas. Same as now needed for perfected weapons.
Bugs, lags + absolutly terrible random and farm of transmute crystals to get a right freaking trait on weapons on the top...

Dam @ZOS_BrianWheeler HOW??? WHY? REASONS???????

Salvas_Aren

Usually metatweaks make you shift your gear so you run content b for gear B after you ran content a for gear A.

The latest clou is to make people run content a after content a to get gear A' after gear A.

Smart, huh?

Atreidus

What is Maelstrom and Dragonstar?

What is this anyways please.. almost 430 now.. no clue .-.

iEvilJunk

The answer is NO

colossalvoids

Can't care less now really. Meaningless changes to stuff like vas inferno, petty bonuses on arena weaps, zero communication, performance tanks, no fixes and ignored feedback.

Hell yeah for Indiana Jones chapter, gotta pump that dps (dig per second)

Ysbriel

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

They already said it ain’t gonna happen, with the worst customer service response ever.

CleymenZero

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

I think it's pretty clear that a large majority of individuals aren't keen on repeating content and wasting their time and resources but dev has been pretty clear that, if you're in control, blocking your ears with both hands and screaming "LALALALA LALALALA" means no 4ever.

Very unsatisfied with the content but mostly the attitude.

The initial response of the community may not have helped but still, not listening just makes it worst...

And yeah, I can't look at him and trust that he is competent anymore both from a PR standpoint and on a technical level.

GeorgeYung

No. (Write in co0mment please why?)

The thing is our Maelstrom Weapons were not changed, we simply received a new item type in MA and the loot-table was changed. I know the MA weapons were nerfd once from a similar state, but that was a nerf and not an introduction of a new set.

Yes technically the perfected VMA weapons can be considered a new set.

Look at the bright side, it will pump some blood to the economy, as everyone will gold a few weapons out.

Honestly I was happy about this change, I know I'll make some gold and finally have some reason again to try to reach some High score. Motivation is appreciated

AWinterWolf

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

I put hours in the first time I did vMA, that moment of pride when I beat it was amazing, not to mention the hours of time I spent farming it for the weapons I needed, only to be told that all someone has to do, is do it on normal and they have the staff I put hours of work into getting.

what_the

No. (Write in co0mment please why?)

So because there are newer, more powerful weapon versions in Vma, the older ( still great but not the best anymore) weapons people farmed for in Vma in the past should automatically be upgraded to the newer more powerful (bestest) weapons?
no.
What maybe they could do is offer a trade-in for a set amount of gold to upgrade your old Vma weapon to a perfected one, but i think that would open up a whole can o worms in itself...

Foefaller

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

Obviously answer is yes.

...but, I wonder if the reason is more technical than any ulterior motive. Some hurdle that would make it too risky or cumbersome.

...or they're embarrssed to admit that noone had the idea of changing the current Maelstrom and Dragonstar sets into the perfected set bonuses and making "new" sets for the original bonuses until it was too far along in implementing to go with that.

Veinblood1965

OMG give it up already.

fierackas

No. (Write in co0mment please why?)

Bored with the whinning now

richo262

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

Old was
Vet = Weapon
Norm = Nothing

New
Vet = Perfect weapon
Norm = Weapon

You did the content on vet, you deserve a vet prize.

If they are doing this purely for clean tables, they should make 3 tables
1) Perfect weapon (New)
2) Non perfect weapon (New)
3) Old Weapon* buffed to the same stats as Perfect because the old weapon would only drop in Vet.

Then have a system that when you go to MA, you can talk to the trader and convert your 3) for a 1).

I thought ZOS was joking when they said this, and the community response was clear, there is no reason for them to f'over their vet players like this other than it gives them a bit of joy.

CleymenZero

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

GeorgeYung wrote: »

The thing is our Maelstrom Weapons were not changed, we simply received a new item type in MA and the loot-table was changed. I know the MA weapons were nerfd once from a similar state, but that was a nerf and not an introduction of a new set.

Yes technically the perfected VMA weapons can be considered a new set.

Look at the bright side, it will pump some blood to the economy, as everyone will gold a few weapons out.

Honestly I was happy about this change, I know I'll make some gold and finally have some reason again to try to reach some High score. Motivation is appreciated

Our items are the same but adding a bonus is the same as increasing the level cap on gear they only did it for first 2 arena weapons. I guess you're gonna say something like "then we should e thankful they increased the level cap on those weapons only" to which I would answer that they made a point out of the "we won't increase gear level cap".

It's a waste of time and ressources and it's again the ones with the most characters that lose the most...

Edit: I hope you can understand that introducing new stronger weapons is equivalent to increasing gear level. And if you think the bonus is not high enough to make it as significant as increasing gear level, craft a CP 150 jerkin and a cp 160 jerkin with same traits etc.

Nairinhe

This horse's death was swift, violent and greatly entertaining for our Demiprince

Curtdogg47

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

I think all you people that spent the many hours deserve this! I could not do it or dedicate myself to doing it!

Fischblut

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

There were many sad decisions during these years in the game. Even in this update, there are lot of other things I dislike. But changes to Maelstrom and Dragonstar weapons - it was the ultimate spit to the face of veteran players

It's especially hilarious to see that, for example, Perfected Master staff gets magic stat back. It already had magic stat on it long time before... But of course it was nerfed back then And now it's getting magic bonus back, but you have to refarm it!

And all weapons which only experienced veterans could have, can now be earned by doing some normal leveling content (normal arenas). This is hilarious.

Eldartar

No. (Write in co0mment please why?)

No is the simple answer.

When I bought my GSXR750 new and they bring out an updated version the following year am I entitled to the newer model? No.

So why should you get a free updated version? Just because you spent hours grinding, I spent hours working long hours to buy that bike doesn't entitle me to a free updated model does it.

Kadoin

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

If not, there had better be some bug fixes because vMA performance is a meme and getting hit with a DoT 100x with a tick 10x your hp bar instantly without it even ticking once is plain stupid.

Complete RNG, and RNG weapons. I didn't think the artificial difficulty could get worse in the game, but man, the performance and bugs are an added layer that might just be intentional at this point.

JusticeSouldier

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

what_the wrote: »

So because there are newer, more powerful weapon versions in Vma, the older ( still great but not the best anymore) weapons people farmed for in Vma in the past should automatically be upgraded to the newer more powerful (bestest) weapons?
no.
What maybe they could do is offer a trade-in for a set amount of gold to upgrade your old Vma weapon to a perfected one, but i think that would open up a whole can o worms in itself...

Actually second property of MA and DSA weapons was removed near Clockwork patch... from all weapons obtained in veteran content.
Content is the same.
but now here we go back with second property...but our weapons, which were downgraded in clockwork...are not upgraded back now...
don't u think it's wrong dude?

Vaoh

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

heh

Matchimus

Eldartar wrote: »

No is the simple answer.

When I bought my GSXR750 new and they bring out an updated version the following year am I entitled to the newer model? No.

So why should you get a free updated version? Just because you spent hours grinding, I spent hours working long hours to buy that bike doesn't entitle me to a free updated model does it.

Where is the updated arena?

GeorgeYung

No. (Write in co0mment please why?)

CleymenZero wrote: »

GeorgeYung wrote: »

The thing is our Maelstrom Weapons were not changed, we simply received a new item type in MA and the loot-table was changed. I know the MA weapons were nerfd once from a similar state, but that was a nerf and not an introduction of a new set.

Yes technically the perfected VMA weapons can be considered a new set.

Look at the bright side, it will pump some blood to the economy, as everyone will gold a few weapons out.

Honestly I was happy about this change, I know I'll make some gold and finally have some reason again to try to reach some High score. Motivation is appreciated

Our items are the same but adding a bonus is the same as increasing the level cap on gear they only did it for first 2 arena weapons. I guess you're gonna say something like "then we should e thankful they increased the level cap on those weapons only" to which I would answer that they made a point out of the "we won't increase gear level cap".

It's a waste of time and ressources and it's again the ones with the most characters that lose the most...

Edit: I hope you can understand that introducing new stronger weapons is equivalent to increasing gear level. And if you think the bonus is not high enough to make it as significant as increasing gear level, craft a CP 150 jerkin and a cp 160 jerkin with same traits etc.

No man I simply repeat that yesterday we had one set to farm from MA, now we have 2
I don't want to go into the level cap line you just picked up, seems like an endless trip and I was not even talking about that.

And again you did not loose anything, you just got some reason to revisit VMA in the form of a new set. You do whatever you want to do with that.
This makes me remember the time when I farmed out my defending restoration staff of the Lich. That required some dedication However I did not feel any loss when they introduced the transmute system later, I felt OMG finally!

There is just a long list of things we can get frustrated about, save your rage for the good cause

JusticeSouldier

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

GeorgeYung wrote: »

And again you did not loose anything

We lost it before. Arena weapons had second property before Clockwork.
That they removed them, but Asylum weapons got perfected and normal variations.
And they made there every set weapon to have 2 properties except our arena weapons...

Now, our weapons stayed the same as after nerf.
But "new" perfected ones require same actions as we done fto get nerfed ones...
it's unfair and completly irresponcible.

I don't want to invest my time for something which can be same downgraded without any reason.

JusticeSouldier

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

@ZOS_GinaBruno where is your reaction?

CleymenZero

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

GeorgeYung wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

GeorgeYung wrote: »

The thing is our Maelstrom Weapons were not changed, we simply received a new item type in MA and the loot-table was changed. I know the MA weapons were nerfd once from a similar state, but that was a nerf and not an introduction of a new set.

Yes technically the perfected VMA weapons can be considered a new set.

Look at the bright side, it will pump some blood to the economy, as everyone will gold a few weapons out.

Honestly I was happy about this change, I know I'll make some gold and finally have some reason again to try to reach some High score. Motivation is appreciated

Our items are the same but adding a bonus is the same as increasing the level cap on gear they only did it for first 2 arena weapons. I guess you're gonna say something like "then we should e thankful they increased the level cap on those weapons only" to which I would answer that they made a point out of the "we won't increase gear level cap".

It's a waste of time and ressources and it's again the ones with the most characters that lose the most...

Edit: I hope you can understand that introducing new stronger weapons is equivalent to increasing gear level. And if you think the bonus is not high enough to make it as significant as increasing gear level, craft a CP 150 jerkin and a cp 160 jerkin with same traits etc.

No man I simply repeat that yesterday we had one set to farm from MA, now we have 2
I don't want to go into the level cap line you just picked up, seems like an endless trip and I was not even talking about that.

And again you did not loose anything, you just got some reason to revisit VMA in the form of a new set. You do whatever you want to do with that.
This makes me remember the time when I farmed out my defending restoration staff of the Lich. That required some dedication However I did not feel any loss when they introduced the transmute system later, I felt OMG finally!

There is just a long list of things we can get frustrated about, save your rage for the good cause

Nobody needs a reason to go in vMA, you go when you feel like it at your own leisure. I got Flawless conqueror on every class... I got TONS of weapons already golded out. Yes we lose, we lose a lot of our time that could be spent on other things like the antiquities system etc.

And don't get into the gear cap increase cause you can't argue that out guaranteed.

There's no reason not to upgrade the weapons absolutely no reason. It just couldn't be justified.

And let's face it, the "no" is the minority so expecting this issue to just vanish is just foolish.

CleymenZero

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

GeorgeYung wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

GeorgeYung wrote: »

The thing is our Maelstrom Weapons were not changed, we simply received a new item type in MA and the loot-table was changed. I know the MA weapons were nerfd once from a similar state, but that was a nerf and not an introduction of a new set.

Yes technically the perfected VMA weapons can be considered a new set.

Look at the bright side, it will pump some blood to the economy, as everyone will gold a few weapons out.

Honestly I was happy about this change, I know I'll make some gold and finally have some reason again to try to reach some High score. Motivation is appreciated

Our items are the same but adding a bonus is the same as increasing the level cap on gear they only did it for first 2 arena weapons. I guess you're gonna say something like "then we should e thankful they increased the level cap on those weapons only" to which I would answer that they made a point out of the "we won't increase gear level cap".

It's a waste of time and ressources and it's again the ones with the most characters that lose the most...

Edit: I hope you can understand that introducing new stronger weapons is equivalent to increasing gear level. And if you think the bonus is not high enough to make it as significant as increasing gear level, craft a CP 150 jerkin and a cp 160 jerkin with same traits etc.

No man I simply repeat that yesterday we had one set to farm from MA, now we have 2
I don't want to go into the level cap line you just picked up, seems like an endless trip and I was not even talking about that.

And again you did not loose anything, you just got some reason to revisit VMA in the form of a new set. You do whatever you want to do with that.
This makes me remember the time when I farmed out my defending restoration staff of the Lich. That required some dedication However I did not feel any loss when they introduced the transmute system later, I felt OMG finally!

There is just a long list of things we can get frustrated about, save your rage for the good cause

And I'm happy to debate for hours... You enter a 5 minutes load screen every time you change zones...

fierackas

No. (Write in co0mment please why?)

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

I don't want to invest my time for something which can be same downgraded without any reason.

If it's not worth your time then you can't want it that much

mairwen85

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

Voted yes, but it's a pointless poll as no action will be taken, the decision was final and now people have already been farming normal for their drops, there is no way to distinguish from which content it came -- the window for this to be possible has passed, it will not happen.

Ratzkifal

Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!

They should, but they won't and the last word has unfortunately already been spoken on the matter.

ZOS_Adrikoth wrote:

Hey all,

We recognize that this was a sensitive topic during the PTS, as we did read all of your feedback. We should have offered you a more official answer on our stance, and we do apologize for failing to do so. That's on us.

The stance that Rich stated is accurate: we want all players to earn the new Perfected Master Maelstrom Weapons through gameplay, regardless of their previous progress.

We are closing this thread now, as it has devolved into bashing. It's okay to not like or disagree with our decision - please remember that even then, we do expect everyone to remain constructive and respectful while on our forums at all times.