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Leads in IC; if you wanted us to hate PvP even more... this was it
newtinmpls
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Normally I hate IC and avoid it. Don't care to do it, not fun getting ganked.
But now there are leads in IC.
So now I get to wade through more of the [snip]
Way to increase resentment and misery
[Edited to remove Profanity and Baiting]
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 9, 2020 1:17PM But now there are leads in IC.
So now I get to wade through more of the [snip]
Way to increase resentment and misery
[Edited to remove Profanity and Baiting]
Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
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Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »Normally I hate IC and avoid it. Don't care to do it, not fun getting ganked.
But now there are leads in IC.
So now I get to wade through more of the [snip]
Way to increase resentment and misery
Well, if you don't like doing that, just... don't go? If you aren't having fun in a zone, why go there?Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 9, 2020 1:17PM50 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Almost the whole game is focused on pve and yet people like you still complain about pvp, amazing...Edited by Vietfox on June 7, 2020 8:48PM86 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Almost the whole game is focused on pve and yet people like you still complain about pvp, amazing...
I don’t think they are complaining that pvp areas exists, I think they are complaining they put some exclusive antiquities in pvp areas.
A complaint I agree with.Edited by BlueRaven on June 7, 2020 9:04PM119 -
Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.30 -
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So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.Edited by Vietfox on June 7, 2020 9:09PM82 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea that there are leads for pvp play, I think having them be exclusive is the issue.20 -
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✭✭The fact that there are leads in IC is not the problem. The problem is that IC is a failure of a zone, with no overarching story and no sense of adventure.
They just kinda put it out there. And filled it with a few story quests that don't really matter. And dailies. And most people just zerg and gank in there because theres' nothing else to do.8 -
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✭✭✭✭Let me teach you a magic spell you can cast in times of need. Type it with passion, from your heart's fire:
"LFG"
You're welcome. Use responsibly.33 -
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So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC ocasionally is not? Ok.
The point is that there are no players you have to fight against in order to get stuff you want in PvE. No one is blocking your progress. In PvP however, there are plenty of trolls who camp bosses in IC waiting for "I win" opportunity. Especially after ZOS made IC as a separate campaign (previously we had more instances of IC and you could pick empty campaign and go to empty IC).
And to be honest, I don't care about it. If they want to kill me they can, if that will make them feel better. What I do care about is that I can not loot boss I have killed, because I was ganked.
It could be compared to PvE if, for example: Only top % of scoreboards in PvE gets the loot. That would be bad, but would be comparable, because other players will block your progress, thus you will have to compete against them - hence other will block your progress.55 -
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So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
Pretty much. They're spreading leads everywhere. If you want a particular lead really badly, go to the area you need for it, and do the thing you need to do to get it. It is your choice. Just because the lead you want isn't put in a place convenient to you is just too bad, so sad.
Whatever you do, don't whine that they didn't put stuff where *you* wanted it to be. That makes you one of the children the OP spoke of.
EDIT: To be clear, I like fantasy MMO PvP about as well as I like getting my teeth pulled, so I'm not saying the above as a person who loves PvP in ESO. I'll go get the Alliance War skill line and some skyshards in IC at some point, but I don't intend to spend on repairs. I'll try to damage whoever wants to gank me, but I'll laugh at them as they kill me, and I'll *really* laugh if I manage to kill one, because I suck at PvP.
Edited by mavfin on June 7, 2020 9:25PM8 -
Foefaller✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »The fact that there are leads in IC is not the problem. The problem is that IC is a failure of a zone, with no overarching story and no sense of adventure.
They just kinda put it out there. And filled it with a few story quests that don't really matter. And dailies. And most people just zerg and gank in there because theres' nothing else to do.
I feel like Drake of Blades makes up for the story though
My own experience is that if you stay in your alliance's section of the sewers, you'll mostly avoid any enemy players...
...Mostly...
... because the players who stick to the sewers typically do so because they want to avoid running into other alliance players, so there is a bit of a self-reinforcing loop going on there.
Of course, that only helps for the leads that drop from sewer WBs and the roaming champs. If there's any leads that drop only from surface enemies (I haven't really looked into any guides for lead locations, so I have no clue what drops the lead(s) you want) or the Simulacrum, I can see why that might be somewhat frustrating and/or terrifying.Edited by Foefaller on June 7, 2020 9:25PM2 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭Since antiquities is a PVE activity, putting leads in PVP is just a guaranteed frustration. If they were going to put PVE activity leads in PVP, then they should have put the leads, especially the IC ones, in safe zones, where all factions can do the pve thing without gankers and other sorts around. That makes sense.37
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✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC ocasionally is not? Ok.
The point is that there are no players you have to fight against in order to get stuff you want in PvE. No one is blocking your progress. In PvP however, there are plenty of trolls who camp bosses in IC waiting for "I win" opportunity. Especially after ZOS made IC as a separate campaign (previously we had more instances of IC and you could pick empty campaign and go to empty IC).
And to be honest, I don't care about it. If they want to kill me they can, if that will make them feel better. What I do care about is that I can not loot boss I have killed, because I was ganked.
It could be compared to PvE if, for example: Only top % of scoreboards in PvE gets the loot. That would be bad, but would be comparable, because other players will block your progress, thus you will have to compete against them - hence other will block your progress.
It's not the same at all, they can either learn to pvp or go with their zerg. It's not a matter of "only top % of the players will get the loot", anyone can get the rewards.12 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭Let me teach you a magic spell you can cast in times of need. Type it with passion, from your heart's fire:
"LFG"
You're welcome. Use responsibly.
I tried that for about 3 hours last night during peak in CP IC to no avail. EP would not even use zone to callout bosses. So yeah.
Im in no way new to pvp. Its often my preferred tyoe of content. However i feel people zerging down clearly pve players trying to kill bosses for a lead doesnt sit right with me.
Call it pvp if you want. But if the way we have pvp populated is by forcing pve and new players there and yhen bombing and destroying them to prevent them looting tbe PVE bosses that they need for an item they are pursuiing..m then you are just making people dislike pvp even more.
If the argument is that you want stuff available for pvpers so you dont have to go to pve zones... ie monster masks, event tickets and leads... then have multiple options for attaining them.
Dont sit here and pretend that you are doing pvp content to get leads and that it is all fair because you have to go to pve areas sometimes and do pve content for stuff. Youre still killing pve bosses in IC. And you still have to go to pve areas todo pve content to aquire tbe other 4 leads.
You just like the fact that you habe a few noobs in IC you can troll bomb to prevent them from reaching some arbitrary goal. Its not meaninful or challenging pvp.44 -
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You just like the fact that you habe a few noobs in IC you can troll bomb to prevent them from reaching some arbitrary goal. Its not meaninful or challenging pvp.
That's pretty standard PvPer actions. Why would they want to fight someone that might kill them, when they can get free kills from someone who can't really defend themselves?
There are exceptions, but those are definitely not the rule. Most PvPers will avoid a decent fight like the plague, if they can pick off someone weak instead. Then they can feel like they're awesome PvPers, you know.
Edited by mavfin on June 7, 2020 9:33PM33 -
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✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea that there are leads for pvp play, I think having them be exclusive is the issue.
And again there are literally dozens of leads that are locked behind PvE activities that PvPers don't like to do. Fishing. Dungeons. Trials. Pathfinder achievements which include delve completions. There are leads that are only exclusive to those activities. This is why a lot of people think that PvEers have a chip on their shoulder. Everyone has to suffer through THEIR content, but Mara forbid it if they actually have to do something they don't want to to get a special item from the system.24 -
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✭✭✭✭Did it not occur to anyone that the reason they are in PVP or the Dungeons is to encourage new players to try out and experience what else the game has to offer?18 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »The fact that there are leads in IC is not the problem. The problem is that IC is a failure of a zone, with no overarching story and no sense of adventure.
They just kinda put it out there. And filled it with a few story quests that don't really matter. And dailies. And most people just zerg and gank in there because theres' nothing else to do.
underlined is WRONG. there is a story, unfortunately, and its pretty good from the snippets I got to experience while trying not to get ganked. there is one section that you can absorb fully and its because it is instanced. but the point is - there is an overreaching story. doing that story is how you unlock IC dailies. that those quests "do not matter" is your personal opinion, rather then a fact. stand alone stories =/= they do not matter.
in any case my problem with IC and questing is much the same as my problem with dungeons and questing, and cyrodil and questing. vast VAST majority of the time experiencing quests while in a group/pvp area is impossible to do fully.
as for the leads.. personaly, I'll just do without. i WISH leads or results of excavations were tradable, but alas ZoS really wants to push specific modes of play, so our choice becomes... give in, go in and hate every moment of it, or accept that some parts of the game are going to exclude someone with your preferences.Edited by Linaleah on June 7, 2020 9:43PMdirty worthless casual.
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea that there are leads for pvp play, I think having them be exclusive is the issue.
And again there are literally dozens of leads that are locked behind PvE activities that PvPers don't like to do. Fishing. Dungeons. Trials. Pathfinder achievements which include delve completions. There are leads that are only exclusive to those activities. This is why a lot of people think that PvEers have a chip on their shoulder. Everyone has to suffer through THEIR content, but Mara forbid it if they actually have to do something they don't want to to get a special item from the system.
If they made what is now exclusive pve leads also drop in pvp I would not care, just as long as they all drop in pve. Why should one form or the other have exclusives for that type of game play?
“... they actually have to do something they don't want to...” Ummm yeah, that’s why the OP made the thread.newtinmpls wrote: »Normally I hate IC and avoid it. Don't care to do it, not fun getting ganked.
But now there are leads in IC.
So now I get to wade through more of the F-ing annoying petty 13 year old crap.
Way to increase resentment and misery
I don’t understand your argument, do you want pvers to not like pvp more? Or do you think a person who dislikes pvp will suddenly “switch” to liking it?7 -
Tarnumx✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »Normally I hate IC and avoid it. Don't care to do it, not fun getting ganked.
But now there are leads in IC.
So now I get to wade through more of the [snip]
Way to increase resentment and misery
Lol normally I hate pve and forced to farm it 24/7 to get stupid items for pvp so why shouldnt u? qqqqqqqEdited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 9, 2020 1:18PM19 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea that there are leads for pvp play, I think having them be exclusive is the issue.
And again there are literally dozens of leads that are locked behind PvE activities that PvPers don't like to do. Fishing. Dungeons. Trials. Pathfinder achievements which include delve completions. There are leads that are only exclusive to those activities. This is why a lot of people think that PvEers have a chip on their shoulder. Everyone has to suffer through THEIR content, but Mara forbid it if they actually have to do something they don't want to to get a special item from the system.
If they made what is now exclusive pve leads also drop in pvp I would not care, just as long as they all drop in pve. Why should one form or the other have exclusives for that type of game play?
The same argument works in reversal. The. Other. Leads. In. Raids. Do. Not. Drop. In. PvP. Literally most leads do NOT drop in PvP. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.12 -
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✭✭What would seem to work better for players is multiple options to locate the same lead so a preferred context to search in could be played for maximum fun; the other context would remain optional for laughs/masochism.
What would work for me, personally, is not getting leads at all since I never bought Greymoor.
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✭✭✭✭I for one ensure the covenant are hard at work defending all our lands. Imperial city is part of our territory and thus will be contested as rival inferiors attempt to take our lands and riches.
Some players try to ruin the immersive roleplaying experience of the 3 banner war by calling them 13 year olds. Tell them to shape up or ship out. The covenant has no room for cowards and weaklings... and if you arent carrying that banner, your opinion isnt valued in tamriel.33 -
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✭Did it not occur to anyone that the reason they are in PVP or the Dungeons is to encourage new players to try out and experience what else the game has to offer?
Getting ganked without a chance against the CP 810 PvP killing machines at all and getting frustrated by not being able to get the leads?
I guess that is mission acomplished, then.Member of Alith Legion: https://www.alithlegion.com19 -
mavfin✭✭✭✭I for one ensure the covenant are hard at work defending all our lands. Imperial city is part of our territory and thus will be contested as rival inferiors attempt to take our lands and riches.
Some players try to ruin the immersive roleplaying experience of the 3 banner war by calling them 13 year olds. Tell them to shape up or ship out. The covenant has no room for cowards and weaklings... and if you arent carrying that banner, your opinion isnt valued in tamriel.
I guess if that's all you have available to value in your life, that's your business. Have a nice life.25 -
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✭✭Did it not occur to anyone that the reason they are in PVP or the Dungeons is to encourage new players to try out and experience what else the game has to offer?
Getting ganked without a chance against the CP 810 PvP killing machines at all and getting frustrated by not being able to get the leads?
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✭✭Did it not occur to anyone that the reason they are in PVP or the Dungeons is to encourage new players to try out and experience what else the game has to offer?
Getting ganked without a chance against the CP 810 PvP killing machines at all and getting frustrated by not being able to get the leads?
Try getting good maybe?
Translation: Bring more people with you next time.12 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭I for one ensure the covenant are hard at work defending all our lands. Imperial city is part of our territory and thus will be contested as rival inferiors attempt to take our lands and riches.
Some players try to ruin the immersive roleplaying experience of the 3 banner war by calling them 13 year olds. Tell them to shape up or ship out. The covenant has no room for cowards and weaklings... and if you arent carrying that banner, your opinion isnt valued in tamriel.
Well... its EP and AD that were defending/capping IC and actually pvping last night. I saw one or two solo covenant dudes hard at work being farmed as they tried to get a boss kill or loot. Which i still feel is bad form despite your solid RP.
Again, Im all for pvp. But I feel they need to have multiple avenues to aquire the leads since this is not encouraging actual pvp. Its creating resentment.Edited by Haquor on June 7, 2020 10:39PM11 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea that there are leads for pvp play, I think having them be exclusive is the issue.
And again there are literally dozens of leads that are locked behind PvE activities that PvPers don't like to do. Fishing. Dungeons. Trials. Pathfinder achievements which include delve completions. There are leads that are only exclusive to those activities. This is why a lot of people think that PvEers have a chip on their shoulder. Everyone has to suffer through THEIR content, but Mara forbid it if they actually have to do something they don't want to to get a special item from the system.
If they made what is now exclusive pve leads also drop in pvp I would not care, just as long as they all drop in pve. Why should one form or the other have exclusives for that type of game play?
The same argument works in reversal. The. Other. Leads. In. Raids. Do. Not. Drop. In. PvP. Literally most leads do NOT drop in PvP. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
I don't understand. Did I not just say have all leads that drop in PvE also drop in PvP and vice versa? I honestly don't care.
Have monster helms drop in PvP, it's fine with me. Why should any of that bother me?Edited by BlueRaven on June 7, 2020 10:43PM10 -
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✭✭✭✭I for one ensure the covenant are hard at work defending all our lands. Imperial city is part of our territory and thus will be contested as rival inferiors attempt to take our lands and riches.
Some players try to ruin the immersive roleplaying experience of the 3 banner war by calling them 13 year olds. Tell them to shape up or ship out. The covenant has no room for cowards and weaklings... and if you arent carrying that banner, your opinion isnt valued in tamriel.
I guess if that's all you have available to value in your life, that's your business. Have a nice life.
[snip]I for one ensure the covenant are hard at work defending all our lands. Imperial city is part of our territory and thus will be contested as rival inferiors attempt to take our lands and riches.
Some players try to ruin the immersive roleplaying experience of the 3 banner war by calling them 13 year olds. Tell them to shape up or ship out. The covenant has no room for cowards and weaklings... and if you arent carrying that banner, your opinion isnt valued in tamriel.
Well... its EP and AD that were defending/capping IC and actually pvping last night. I saw one or two solo covenant dudes hard at work being farmed as they tried to get a boss kill or loot. Which i still feel is bad form despite your solid RP.
Again, Im all for pvp. But I feel they need to have multiple avenues to aquire the leads since this is not encouraging actual pvp. Its creating resentment.
I havent completed some for these reasons. Apparently we need to do fishing for some. That's when I put down my shovel and picked up the sword.
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 8, 2020 11:58AM10
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