agegarton wrote: »

You know, I quit running a trade guild last year as with work commitments, I just didn't have the time.

Now I'm back, with a guild doing pretty well and established in Grahtwood, and I'm wondering why I bother with all this. It's hard enough to keep a trade guild running. Costs are incredible (I knew that before I started). Competition is fierce (I knew that too!). But I can't run a guild when the system is shot, or the game is so unreliable that I might have all my members offline for more than half the week!

Performance of this game on the EU server is horrific, and getting worse not better. More and more people that I game with are taking a step back and playing less, or finding other games that are better managed. With the absolute farce that was Greymoor's launch (which isn't finished yet, by a long way), and now this repeat of the guild trader issue....... I'm just seriously wondering why we're all still here, you know ?

This is exactly the sentiment of the majority of players I run across on the servers in all of my guilds, in PvP, and in zone chat. They packing up to play other games and many have no intentions to return. They're in awe at how poorly the game is functioning and that we accepted it this many years. We all hoped. It would be fixed but it wasn't. It's worse.

All we want is for the game to be fun to play again. Too many server issues and excessive bugs repeatedly returning are not fun. They're weighing this game down significantly, and driving away players old and new. Good content isn't fun if it isn't working. A game that is functioning at this level of deterioration is simply annoying. Please, do what's necessary to get this game back on track before it ends up a ghost town.

I wonder if we will even hear back tonight.

By the way, Cyrodiil claims seem to work. Not really a workaround, but.... we are currently Ravenwatch / Kings Lumber. If you need to shop.

Zos it's like you don't care about your audience.

First you remove group queuing from battlegrounds. (Something me and my partner used to really enjoy)

And now you don't even care to give us any feedback to what is happening with the traders.

I mean would it of really hurt to take the server offline for say 1 hour to fix this problem.

If that is not possible would it hurt to just leave a message on here saying why and when it will be possible so that no one is left in the dark.

This is really not professional.

Haha, why fix stuff ASAP if you can also fix it in 2 days, GJ ZOS! Thanks for not being here for us yet again after YOU *** up

I mean.. ship was sinking this whole time, you were aware of the delayed trader bids but now you're actually surprised and will only react on wednesday during patch instead of taking servers down and fixing your mess up on sunday immediately? I feel really cared for right now. No way you could have known that a sinking ship will eventually sink, no chance to make up a backup plan for the worst case after the first time this happened...

also great that all these guilds who hired top traders for 10k can keep their winnings, well done, really..

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for your patience today while we worked through everything. For visibility, the issue that occurred yesterday where the incorrect guilds appeared to win guild traders happened because there was a gap in time between when winners of a guild trader were selected, and when the winners were actually applied. This means some guilds were able to illegitimately win a trader during that gap, rather than the trader going to the real winner.

This Wednesday during our scheduled maintenance, we’re going to swap out the owners of all guild traders on PC EU to the correct guilds that won the bid, and refund everyone’s gold – both the winners and those who accidentally won. We’re also working on a fix to prevent this from happening in the future.

WHY on Wednesday?! This is destroying the Economy and Guilds, some are already closing as seen above. Amazing how fast the server comes down when people accidentally get access to things, but AN ENTIRE SYSTEM OF THE GAME BREAKS and we have to wait 2.5 days for them to even take it down.

Just more evidence that this is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ps. Though I do wonder why we continue to post as I am 99% sure nobody is reading them and actually taking note, just making sure not Forum Rules are broken *eye roll*

Wednesday, I hope it won't be around 8pm.
we will already have to undergo maintenance every Monday and lose a day of sales, so our weeks on the EU server are only 6 days. Eventually we may lose only our Tuesday.
This game is superb and the community is magical, pay attention to your working tool and communicate in a more human way it is a general request.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for your patience today while we worked through everything. For visibility, the issue that occurred yesterday where the incorrect guilds appeared to win guild traders happened because there was a gap in time between when winners of a guild trader were selected, and when the winners were actually applied. This means some guilds were able to illegitimately win a trader during that gap, rather than the trader going to the real winner.

This Wednesday during our scheduled maintenance, we’re going to swap out the owners of all guild traders on PC EU to the correct guilds that won the bid, and refund everyone’s gold – both the winners and those who accidentally won. We’re also working on a fix to prevent this from happening in the future.

@ZOS_GinaBruno while I really appreciate the fact that this issue is being resolved, it's baffling how it lacks in substance. Despite the dismal turnaround time -- to say nothing of the recurrence of the issue -- this answer just brushes it all to the side with the same old apology.

Certainly a good way to lose customers once a better game comes along...

PS: Get your act together on Cyrodiil. The constant lag is laughable for a game with paid content, and paid subscription.

silvereyes wrote: »

Sturmfaenger wrote: »

This fiasco is for at least 2 good, long-lived EU trading guilds that I know of the last nail on the coffin - they are closing.

I'm very sad to hear that, @Sturmfaenger. I lost a couple after the multi-bidding stuff got rammed down our throats. Feels bad.

And for those of you who put an "Awesome" to hear of two long-lived communities of players no longer being able to enjoy the game together, wtf? Are people on here so jaded they just want to see the world burn?

I didn't do the awesome, but after quitting on gming trade guilds and not playing eso for over a year I changed my mind over a lot of things, even about the ah question. I think it's important that people do make a cut when it's starting to become frustrating. this game should be fun. Beeing trade guild gm isn't fun at all. And gm who decide to quit over frustration in this game do make a good choice for their personal salvation. This content is so badly maintained, with pay2win options, exploits and broken vendor auction system. I often thought, it's better to just take it off/to pull it down. If an auction house breaks over and over again, it's a factor as the broken group finder or the broken battle grounds. But nobody is too personally involved into it, as GMs are. I do have an idea which guilds Sturmfänger ist talking about. One of them is actually one of the oldest, starter friendly german communities with a very active chat and very helpful people. I started years ago from there as one of the first members and officer, before I started becoming gm myself. It does hurt to see as well, still I also want that old friends of mine to be happy. And trading in eso and running trade guilds is definitely nothing which would make anyone happy for a long time.