Jadeviper1974 wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

LadyInTheWater wrote: »

Now, in your example, you're running 16 hirelings around the clock, and maybe pulling in 1 legendary temper every other day? It'd take you 80 days to pull in enough tempers just to upgrade all your items from epic to legendary. 80. That's nearly 3 months.

As for me, I'm running one character with hirelings, on one account (because I'm not an alt-stacking powergamer). That's 3 years and 6 months, based on YOUR average, before I gathered enough legendary tempers to upgrade all my gear to legendary.

And you want to NERF this....?

The proposed nerfs wouldn't nerf you, they would nerf only the people running hirelings on alts they don't level. It only makes sense for the devs to base the hireling loot on either points in hireling or character level (probably points in hireling). This only affects your scenario while you're low level, but crushes the hireling on 7 level 3 alts.

ok, so lets say I actually take the time to level and alt to the point that he can have 3 hirelings, then I take the time to run that alt around to get the skill points to actually put into the skill that gets me those hirelings. I have done the work to get those points, but you say I should not be able to get things from those hirelings because I am not actively playing the character right now.

Why?

I got the points I chose where to put them. So unless you are OK, with me determining where your points go on your characters then don't try to dictate where others spend their points.

Why do people who have no idea how this even works keep commenting?

Have your main put decon mats for woodworking, blacksmithing and clothier in the bank. It doesn't take much to decon to level 3. Makes alts, skip tutorial, start with 3 skill points. Decon mats until level 3, it takes less than a minute for each alt. Activate 3 hirelings per alt.

It takes like 15 minutes to create 7 alts with 3 hirelings each. Then sit back as the mats come in. I've got 3 epics and 5 legendaries this week, for 15 minutes of work I did at the start of the game.

I think the hirelings are a good thing to have in game. If you want to blow your skill points that way, do so. As for me, I'm sure I would be considered a "casual" player because I don't sit in front of the game for 14 hours at a stint. As such, it's nice to have what you refer to as a "mail lottery" show up that allows me to have slightly better gear. None of my hirelings have ever come up with anything legendary, so I guess I'm getting the short end of the stick. But in reference to whether this is "pay to win" kind of game, what do you call the Imperial Edition? It was a retail early access, items, free transportation and access to a special race and the ability to play in any faction. Seems very much like ZOS had "paying to win" in the cards from the beginning, despite the fact that CEs are nothing new.

Evidently this person hasnt tried to get some of the materials in this game, Try Pepper extremely hard to get, and to make a hireling isnt a easy feat. I takes me couple days to gather the proviioning mats to level up a alt to get a hireling. even with 3 hirelings as i have now, Im lucky if I get 2 pepper a day, Try to make any money with 2 pepper a day!!

If you want to spend all your time logging back and forth to check all your hirelings on all your alts, while I play and enjoy the game. Be my guest. Couldn't care less. I have one hireling and enjoy the experience. You people whine for absolutely any reason.

Daverios wrote: »

You are doing hireling WRONG if you have not got a legendary. DO you have all toons on your account loaded up with all hireling getting 50+ mails a day to open? If not I suggest you go back to beginning of thread and read slowly this time.

Or they are just unlucky, or simply not as crazy devoted to maximizing hirelings? Also your math seems off.

As I unstand it, your suggesting that if I have ALL my character slots with hireling on them that I'm pulling more then 12 mails a day, am I missing something? 50+ hireling mails makes me think you would need 50 characters, am I missing something here?

Tahoenvy wrote: »

If you want to spend all your time logging back and forth to check all your hirelings on all your alts, while I play and enjoy the game. Be my guest. Couldn't care less. I have one hireling and enjoy the experience. You people whine for absolutely any reason.

/facepalm. This thread is crazy. I've never seen so many people just not get it. Whatever, I don't care. I hope they don't nerf it.

To do this for all 8 toons kinda seems a waste. I play each toon like it is its own person which comes from my Role play days for the most part. Each toon I see having their own skills and own distinct personality. Doing what you describe would ruin that immersion for me.. thus I don't do it .. but I can see where it would be problematic for those who min max everything they do just to win and feel special and fuzzy inside.

Primarily I see this as a problem when concerning PVP other than that the markets are all individually set with no overall market hanging over their head dictating prices. So I don't see it affecting game economy at all really.. Thus the point to me is moot if someone does what you are talking about to get one toon awesome end game gear then they make the game less fun for themselves. I use the hirelings as intended and see no problem with them if you have exploited them and are now bored frustrated or concerned others can do what you have done .. well that is your problem.

I think they are fine the way they are but I know what Zenimax will most likely do if they see this as something that needs fixing.. They would just make the upgrade materials no drop.. thus they belong to that toon and that toon only or even if its account based it limits how much benefit you get from it.

Daverios wrote: »

Your math was not off that was meant to be 30+, typo and corrected.

4 hireling X 8 characters = 32 mails a day with like 15-30 mins of work/effort.

However since I do this on 2 accounts I do get 60+ a day.

Okay sorry two more points of clairification.

Firstly it really seems like you put a LOT more effort into the mail lottery then many people will put in to try and get legendary mats (I currently have 12, one came from the mail lottery) I just wonder if the whole 2 accounts and power leveling 32 professions to 32 is really considered exploitative? Again it strikes me as you've worked very hard to get yourself to the position to where you could really take advantage of this.

Second question, why the second account? Again it really seems like your going really far out of your way. If anything your point seems more that getting Legendary mats should take longer, given the sheer amount of time you put in.

At 64 hireling mails a day, thats 16 possible shots at a legendary mat per profession, I'd say my sample size is too small at this time, I've gotten 1 in 5, which puts the chance at roughly 20% at this point for me, which means your pulling down like 3-4 legendary mats a day, for all the work you've put in I think thats pretty realistic.

Tahoenvy wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Tahoenvy wrote: »

If you want to spend all your time logging back and forth to check all your hirelings on all your alts, while I play and enjoy the game. Be my guest. Couldn't care less. I have one hireling and enjoy the experience. You people whine for absolutely any reason.

/facepalm. This thread is crazy. I've never seen so many people just not get it. Whatever, I don't care. I hope they don't nerf it.

Pretty much. Makes me worry a bit for the next generation and the fate of mankind when people are not able to look at things objectively. And are so obtuse to shoot something like this down when the facts are all laid out right in front of them. Find a guild bank dupe bug that does the same thing essentially (albeit at a faster pace because hey its a dupe) and everyone loses their junk and calls for a rollback

/facepalm indeed.

I read what the OP wrote and I understood perfectly. But to me to go to all that effort everyday is crazy to get a few legendary items. And it's just a crafting item so you still have to level crafting to use it.
I have one hireling and on my first email I got a legendary item but Im unable to use it because I have no purple item to elevate. Do you understand now what I mean about the effort it takes to even make the legendary stuff an exploit?
Ok yes they could sell it. but in my eyes they would almost deserve it for all the work.

What do you mean "go through all that effort everyday"? I have 7 unused alts each with 3 hirelings. It takes all of 4 minutes daily to retrieve all the chests.

Ooooh, great idea!
I have one main character that I play, two accounts; and a bunch of alts that I've been using for storage.

Time to setup my hirelings, thanks!

vegeta0585b14_ESO wrote: »

IS OP joking? OP is joking right? You need 32 in smithing to even hit 3/3 on the hireling, the chance at yellows is ridiculously low, I've gotten 2 since day 1 early access, and you can also get them from REFINING ORE. I've gotten more purple / yellow upgrade items from just refining the ore than the hirling by a TON. Another case of theory crafting vs experience -_-

Also note the hireling wont BRING you yellows until 2/3

Wrong. A 1/3 hireling will bring you legendaries. You've only gotten 2 because you aren't playing the numbers. People who've been doing this since early access already have a bunch of yellows.

Swordguy wrote: »

they are constantly modifying the game with these weekly patches. 2 patches ago, they halved the sell price to vendors for provisions, making provision farming less lucrative.

who's to say they won't sneak in a fix soon to nerf this as well? I don't see any reason for them not to, now that everyone and their brother are jumping aboard.

Yeah, I assume it'll be nerfed soon. I'm surprised they haven't already. Everyone stop posting here now and let this thread go away!

Can we please remember what PAY TO WIN is. Pay to win means you have access to something through money that other players CANNOT gain access to without paying. This is not the case. Please stop perpetuating this *** definition and use one that makes more sense. What you are doing is more analogous to buying gold, but without the risks.

I disagree. Some of us are dedicated, serious crafters and we don't want to be forced into somebody else's play style (raids) to have fun.

Leave it alone.