Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Dude, its the same 5-6 people complaining about these sets over and over and over, all from the same discord chat, and it's getting old. I can see how they would be annoying in Cyrodil, and I get the frustration, but you can't have every single set that gives someone an advantage nerfed. It just starts a whole new chain reaction that ends with yet another post to nerf yet another set, and nothing ever changes. People will ALWAYS find something to crutch on, no matter how much you take away. The only thing you can do to equalize things is to just give everyone nothing but sticks and see how much faster one person can wave theirs at the other.

In the interest of working with the nerflings however, since they always seem to eventually get their way in this game, what if the staff skill got changed to only affect another player, rather than potentially the one who cast it? That way, it would require a pocket healer to receive the buff, which could be easily killed before killing the dd, since pocket healer wouldn't have the benefit of the buff. This would allow it to still be used in PvE where it's not "hurting" anyone's gameplay.

Actually the entire crux of small scale players want both of these nerfed. I would not expect a zerg healer to understand.

BohnT2 wrote: »

The post isn't even about 1% of all available sets yet people start to yell at OP how he wants to remove every single thing from the game.

Everyone trying to defend brp dw and resto at this point should just be brushed off with "ok boomer"
There's no point listing the arguments again for people who can't grasp that 30% more healing/ less damage taken on demand with no cooldown is unbalanced

Major Vitality? For how long. Geeze Brp is really just good in a duel. In open world GUARDS would get the rapid regen I popped off it.

Look add some damage to those crappy high mitigation/ high sustain builds ya running. You can’t kill nobody because YOU built that way!

I am everyday waiting for that moment when they realize that chain reaction these nerfs cause and have been for a while now. The game does not change into their favor or what they imagine it will be if these 2 sets get destroyed. It just leads to demanding the next sets nerfed and nothing changes except others demanded the skills they use nerfed since no way to defend more than 1 second. ZOS wants people to enjoy pvp, it their calculations that enjoyment should take longer than 1 second i`d guess even without knowing full details. But them making ganking harder and harder tells about that.

Its almost comical they do not understand it. Can any of you who want these (and many other things) nerfed honestly answer and describe what would happen if your wish came true? How would the people using these now react and adapt? I know that deep down you know the answer.

Or.. some might have had a dream or illusion that this would turn pvp into balanced paradise where you can kill "inferior" players in a second. I can tell you, people would adapt..

The people with now 25-26k hp with 1 damage set and special weapons would just go like 30-40k hp on Pariah, Plague Doctor; Blood Spawn, Troll King, Malubeth, neeerff soRc, Engine Guardian neeerff, Nerf Reactive, and other tanky ways to use more hp/regen as buffer to not die instead of Major Protection, shielding proc sets.. so then go demand them nerfed next, huh? "Yes yes NeeeEEEeRf!"

Should it be just better to stop this chain reaction already..? Does the nerf demands stop when pvp combat result is always just decided by numbers or who gets to hit first because everyone is allowed to only wear paper armor?

And i know personally these items have their uses yes and are strong. But, again - you are wrong if you think taking these out will change the game into something you vision it to become. You know you would be here to make similar posts soon just about something else, on and on. If still cannot accept that fact, you know its about ego then.

I wish a good weekend for everyone though since its like almost friday here, have fun whatever you all are doing! Good discussions ladies and gentlemen!

What a good idea to list sets like Trollking and pariah which are both overtuned aswell and have been all the time.

First of all the change of yeeting brp resto /DW would remove 2 sets which are on a power level that not a single set alone can reach, not even 2 sets come close not even talking about the opportunity costs that are required to run sets worth of 7 pieces on both bars.

The weapons offer the best defence out there with little to no opportunity cost.

People going 35-40k health +pariah will still not survive as long and in order to do so they give up huge amounts of sustain and damage.

Inferior players deserve to be crushed every single time till they actually learn to play and not have sets keep them alive or get kills for them.
They are inferior

Well to be honest, personally i`ve not had any troubles on killing anyone using BRP Resto/DW, so i guess that more just tells about you and your buddies having inferiority issues? Tip: Have you tried CC and having damage on your build?

Oh well, see you on Cyrodiil again - will try to remember doing /shovel emote or something the next time ending your inferior gameplay.

The stubborness on this topic is too strong so time for this witch to fly away from it with her vBRP broom.

Maybe i`ll go touch someone with Vamp Drain, the bane of ESO. Oohlala...

I doubt i have ever seen you in game but keep up your baiting because you're too stubborn to call out your training wheels.

Also 10/10 reply to the topic as you have yet to add anything constructive.

My forum name obviously is not same as ingame @.

There is no baiting in trying to defend the health of this game for everyone. I actually like to see everyone having fun, be it at pvp or pve. I actually starting to think you believe your vision would make the game better.. but do not see the consequences it has.

Imagine the skills, sets and mechanics of ESO as a game of chess against a good opponent. If you go on offensive with your Knights and take out couple of Pawns (defensive sets), be ready to lose your Knights (offensive sets and/or damage skills nerfed).

Dont think i can say it in a more simple and constructive way anymore.

I guess people are more prone to spread animosity when they hide in anonymity.

You fail to see how a game that offers absolutely no incentive to get better doesn't get boring with time?
Even comparing it with chess is laughable, the chess equivalent to brp weapons would be that a toddler can draw with Magnus just by throwing the board away and then say he could do the same.

There aren't any sets neither a single 2pc or a 5pc set which come close to brp weapons.
Other defensive 5pc sets like swift offer 1/3rd of the mitigation major protection does.
Pariah at best adds 13k resistances which means ~20% damage mitigation when ignoring all other things.

Same with major vitality there is nothing that could compete and there is no opportunity cost for running them.

I run 2 offensive sets+bloodspawn+ brp Dw with no drawback at all.
Anyone not running brp weapons on specs who benefit form them is playing an inferior build.

Animosity? Oh please.. you and the op were the ones calling people "inferior" who use "training wheels" sets/skills.

And now you say you are using the same "training wheel" and thus.. being one of the "inferior" people? But since "inferior people" live longer than they should with those sets (that you use), your whole point here is to.. nerf yourself?

Okay..

If was not this lazy, i`d attach the picture of a cat putting its paw on top your hand saying it is time to stop posting now. Because asking to nerf yourself and after that everyone else (pve also) with offensive nerfs, maybe its better to think this through again?

So you still haven't manned up...

I'm not going to hinder myself that much by not running brp weapons in a patch where everyone else is running them. But i will do everything to get them removed from the game so inferior people get the clapping they deserve.

Hope i won`t be "manning up" ever if that includes loss of basic logics since it seems hard for you to admit that:

1. After this you will go after the next thing that makes someone survive your "clapping" for more than.. how many seconds it was they are allowed to live?

2. Once there is nothing left to use to survive said "clapping", the "inferior" people will demand your offensive damage be heavily nerfed and in that process also making pvp AND pve suffer of said nerfs/cost changes.

3. You realize after nerfs that it takes exactly the same amount of time now with your nerfed offensive skills to do "clapping" on the "inferior" people than before you started all of this.

So again i ask.. why? Is it really that hard to admit possibly being wrong or that cannot see consequences for longer time than 1 patch?

People often blame ZOS when they do some changes and go all "well, you did not think this through did you?" and "Why you never listen?" ..well how about thinking this through thoroughly yourself?

But tell you what. Lets make a deal, i`ll accept nerfs to these 2 things if you and your mateys after it stop there and not go after just more and more things.. but i know you will. Nothing is ever enough until both pvp and pve community just dies out and only group at empty Cyrodiil is your crew wheeling around on your ram.

Do you think the people who you call "inferior" play this game to be your AP farm? If they die in 1 second repeatedly they either leave or go in mass to demand nerfs to the things that kill them that fast, and nerfs happen fast when big enough mass demands them. How can you just not admit this would happen?

So, you would end up demolishing offensive skills/sets many of us like in that process - why would i and others have to suffer that just because you and your buddies have problems killing someone fast enough to your standards?

I have a better deal, you tell me your @name, I'll go for a duel with you.

I don't want to waste my time with someone who isn't even confident enough for take responsibility for his claims in game

That sweet moment when you see the one you have a debate with ripping their shirt off and running towards you in anger when they have no intellectual arguments to support their opinion.

Calm down lil buddy and take your chill pill with the strawberry yoghurt your mommy bought.

Also, its her "claims" and i am pretty sure you know me in game or knew, pvp community.. it is not that big and there is not that many solo & small scale "grils" that been a ballgroup healer before that for years. I`ll leave it at that. And hey, i`m a kind person but i like to trigger those who cannot see what some changes do in the long run. Love this game too much and so many friends left already, i was away for a bit too.. but here i am trying to defend the game with sharp fingernails.

So do not take things personally.

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Dude, its the same 5-6 people complaining about these sets over and over and over, all from the same discord chat, and it's getting old. I can see how they would be annoying in Cyrodil, and I get the frustration, but you can't have every single set that gives someone an advantage nerfed. It just starts a whole new chain reaction that ends with yet another post to nerf yet another set, and nothing ever changes. People will ALWAYS find something to crutch on, no matter how much you take away. The only thing you can do to equalize things is to just give everyone nothing but sticks and see how much faster one person can wave theirs at the other.

In the interest of working with the nerflings however, since they always seem to eventually get their way in this game, what if the staff skill got changed to only affect another player, rather than potentially the one who cast it? That way, it would require a pocket healer to receive the buff, which could be easily killed before killing the dd, since pocket healer wouldn't have the benefit of the buff. This would allow it to still be used in PvE where it's not "hurting" anyone's gameplay.

Actually the entire crux of small scale players want both of these nerfed. I would not expect a zerg healer to understand.

BohnT2 wrote: »

The post isn't even about 1% of all available sets yet people start to yell at OP how he wants to remove every single thing from the game.

Everyone trying to defend brp dw and resto at this point should just be brushed off with "ok boomer"
There's no point listing the arguments again for people who can't grasp that 30% more healing/ less damage taken on demand with no cooldown is unbalanced

Major Vitality? For how long. Geeze Brp is really just good in a duel. In open world GUARDS would get the rapid regen I popped off it.

Look add some damage to those crappy high mitigation/ high sustain builds ya running. You can’t kill nobody because YOU built that way!

I am everyday waiting for that moment when they realize that chain reaction these nerfs cause and have been for a while now. The game does not change into their favor or what they imagine it will be if these 2 sets get destroyed. It just leads to demanding the next sets nerfed and nothing changes except others demanded the skills they use nerfed since no way to defend more than 1 second. ZOS wants people to enjoy pvp, it their calculations that enjoyment should take longer than 1 second i`d guess even without knowing full details. But them making ganking harder and harder tells about that.

Its almost comical they do not understand it. Can any of you who want these (and many other things) nerfed honestly answer and describe what would happen if your wish came true? How would the people using these now react and adapt? I know that deep down you know the answer.

Or.. some might have had a dream or illusion that this would turn pvp into balanced paradise where you can kill "inferior" players in a second. I can tell you, people would adapt..

The people with now 25-26k hp with 1 damage set and special weapons would just go like 30-40k hp on Pariah, Plague Doctor; Blood Spawn, Troll King, Malubeth, neeerff soRc, Engine Guardian neeerff, Nerf Reactive, and other tanky ways to use more hp/regen as buffer to not die instead of Major Protection, shielding proc sets.. so then go demand them nerfed next, huh? "Yes yes NeeeEEEeRf!"

Should it be just better to stop this chain reaction already..? Does the nerf demands stop when pvp combat result is always just decided by numbers or who gets to hit first because everyone is allowed to only wear paper armor?

And i know personally these items have their uses yes and are strong. But, again - you are wrong if you think taking these out will change the game into something you vision it to become. You know you would be here to make similar posts soon just about something else, on and on. If still cannot accept that fact, you know its about ego then.

I wish a good weekend for everyone though since its like almost friday here, have fun whatever you all are doing! Good discussions ladies and gentlemen!

What a good idea to list sets like Trollking and pariah which are both overtuned aswell and have been all the time.

First of all the change of yeeting brp resto /DW would remove 2 sets which are on a power level that not a single set alone can reach, not even 2 sets come close not even talking about the opportunity costs that are required to run sets worth of 7 pieces on both bars.

The weapons offer the best defence out there with little to no opportunity cost.

People going 35-40k health +pariah will still not survive as long and in order to do so they give up huge amounts of sustain and damage.

Inferior players deserve to be crushed every single time till they actually learn to play and not have sets keep them alive or get kills for them.
They are inferior

Well to be honest, personally i`ve not had any troubles on killing anyone using BRP Resto/DW, so i guess that more just tells about you and your buddies having inferiority issues? Tip: Have you tried CC and having damage on your build?

Oh well, see you on Cyrodiil again - will try to remember doing /shovel emote or something the next time ending your inferior gameplay.

The stubborness on this topic is too strong so time for this witch to fly away from it with her vBRP broom.

Maybe i`ll go touch someone with Vamp Drain, the bane of ESO. Oohlala...

I doubt i have ever seen you in game but keep up your baiting because you're too stubborn to call out your training wheels.

Also 10/10 reply to the topic as you have yet to add anything constructive.

My forum name obviously is not same as ingame @.

There is no baiting in trying to defend the health of this game for everyone. I actually like to see everyone having fun, be it at pvp or pve. I actually starting to think you believe your vision would make the game better.. but do not see the consequences it has.

Imagine the skills, sets and mechanics of ESO as a game of chess against a good opponent. If you go on offensive with your Knights and take out couple of Pawns (defensive sets), be ready to lose your Knights (offensive sets and/or damage skills nerfed).

Dont think i can say it in a more simple and constructive way anymore.

I guess people are more prone to spread animosity when they hide in anonymity.

You fail to see how a game that offers absolutely no incentive to get better doesn't get boring with time?
Even comparing it with chess is laughable, the chess equivalent to brp weapons would be that a toddler can draw with Magnus just by throwing the board away and then say he could do the same.

There aren't any sets neither a single 2pc or a 5pc set which come close to brp weapons.
Other defensive 5pc sets like swift offer 1/3rd of the mitigation major protection does.
Pariah at best adds 13k resistances which means ~20% damage mitigation when ignoring all other things.

Same with major vitality there is nothing that could compete and there is no opportunity cost for running them.

I run 2 offensive sets+bloodspawn+ brp Dw with no drawback at all.
Anyone not running brp weapons on specs who benefit form them is playing an inferior build.

Animosity? Oh please.. you and the op were the ones calling people "inferior" who use "training wheels" sets/skills.

And now you say you are using the same "training wheel" and thus.. being one of the "inferior" people? But since "inferior people" live longer than they should with those sets (that you use), your whole point here is to.. nerf yourself?

Okay..

If was not this lazy, i`d attach the picture of a cat putting its paw on top your hand saying it is time to stop posting now. Because asking to nerf yourself and after that everyone else (pve also) with offensive nerfs, maybe its better to think this through again?

So you still haven't manned up...

I'm not going to hinder myself that much by not running brp weapons in a patch where everyone else is running them. But i will do everything to get them removed from the game so inferior people get the clapping they deserve.

Hope i won`t be "manning up" ever if that includes loss of basic logics since it seems hard for you to admit that:

1. After this you will go after the next thing that makes someone survive your "clapping" for more than.. how many seconds it was they are allowed to live?

2. Once there is nothing left to use to survive said "clapping", the "inferior" people will demand your offensive damage be heavily nerfed and in that process also making pvp AND pve suffer of said nerfs/cost changes.

3. You realize after nerfs that it takes exactly the same amount of time now with your nerfed offensive skills to do "clapping" on the "inferior" people than before you started all of this.

So again i ask.. why? Is it really that hard to admit possibly being wrong or that cannot see consequences for longer time than 1 patch?

People often blame ZOS when they do some changes and go all "well, you did not think this through did you?" and "Why you never listen?" ..well how about thinking this through thoroughly yourself?

But tell you what. Lets make a deal, i`ll accept nerfs to these 2 things if you and your mateys after it stop there and not go after just more and more things.. but i know you will. Nothing is ever enough until both pvp and pve community just dies out and only group at empty Cyrodiil is your crew wheeling around on your ram.

Do you think the people who you call "inferior" play this game to be your AP farm? If they die in 1 second repeatedly they either leave or go in mass to demand nerfs to the things that kill them that fast, and nerfs happen fast when big enough mass demands them. How can you just not admit this would happen?

So, you would end up demolishing offensive skills/sets many of us like in that process - why would i and others have to suffer that just because you and your buddies have problems killing someone fast enough to your standards?

I have a better deal, you tell me your @name, I'll go for a duel with you.

I don't want to waste my time with someone who isn't even confident enough for take responsibility for his claims in game

That sweet moment when you see the one you have a debate with ripping their shirt off and running towards you in anger when they have no intellectual arguments to support their opinion.

Calm down lil buddy and take your chill pill with the strawberry yoghurt your mommy bought.

Also, its her "claims" and i am pretty sure you know me in game or knew, pvp community.. it is not that big and there is not that many solo & small scale "grils" that been a ballgroup healer before that for years. I`ll leave it at that. And hey, i`m a kind person but i like to trigger those who cannot see what some changes do in the long run. Love this game too much and so many friends left already, i was away for a bit too.. but here i am trying to defend the game with sharp fingernails.

So do not take things personally.

Oh so someone from Prootch, huehuehuehue and you dare to write anything on the forums

Wrong guess.

Played on a group that did all 3 alliances. But it got old, some dear friends left, the usual story.. I never personally anyways liked the switching many times a week, but there was fun and cool people.

Nowadays sticking to 1 alliance always (unless it gets too dominant and not enough good fights at the times i play so i then switch after campaigns end to the underdog what comes to population on my hours of playing).

But, no need to derail this into me, still waiting for that logical answer to the facts i said.

You know it will happen exactly like i said, heavy nerfs to defensive options will lead to heavy nerfs to offensive options, but instead of just admitting it you chose the "meet me at the parking lot near the trailer park after school so i`ll beat yo up huehuehue".

If one sees 2 people having a difference in opinion and argument about it and then eventually with nothing to back up their claims the other gets aggressive and tries to force their view as the truth with a fight.. you know who won the argument and who got their ego hurt. Just saying.

No need to go caveman rage though, we all play this game together and i`d atleast assume that you know i am thinking for the best to this game, so even if we do not agree on this thing.. no need to start any forum propaganda on me thank you. I have very sharp tongue and fingernails if you wanna go there, be warned.

Awesome friday to you and everyone else too!

gamergirldk wrote: »

nerf everything and lets all do unarmed combat....

p00tx wrote: »

What is seriously making me legit laugh at all of this is the seriousness behind these demands. This is an MMORPG, not an e-sport shooter. No one playing this game will ever be taken seriously in e-sports, and other gamers playing other games actually laugh at those of us who take this more seriously. No PvP streamer from this game will ever become famous outside of this community. No one needs to be strong armed into "getting better" and the game doesn't need to be stripped down to suit the desires of a VERY small handful of players who have lost sight of the whole point of this game. It's not to serve their need to make a fantasy game into some sort of pseudo competitive battlefield. Just chill, take a deep breath, and relax. It's not that serious.

p00tx wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

What is seriously making me legit laugh at all of this is the seriousness behind these demands. This is an MMORPG, not an e-sport shooter. No one playing this game will ever be taken seriously in e-sports, and other gamers playing other games actually laugh at those of us who take this more seriously. No PvP streamer from this game will ever become famous outside of this community. No one needs to be strong armed into "getting better" and the game doesn't need to be stripped down to suit the desires of a VERY small handful of players who have lost sight of the whole point of this game. It's not to serve their need to make a fantasy game into some sort of pseudo competitive battlefield. Just chill, take a deep breath, and relax. It's not that serious.

Added absolutely nothing to the discussion of why or why not BRP weapons should be nerfed. Please refrain from posting banter in the future. Thank you.

I don't really think that's up to you, is it?

p00tx wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

What is seriously making me legit laugh at all of this is the seriousness behind these demands. This is an MMORPG, not an e-sport shooter. No one playing this game will ever be taken seriously in e-sports, and other gamers playing other games actually laugh at those of us who take this more seriously. No PvP streamer from this game will ever become famous outside of this community. No one needs to be strong armed into "getting better" and the game doesn't need to be stripped down to suit the desires of a VERY small handful of players who have lost sight of the whole point of this game. It's not to serve their need to make a fantasy game into some sort of pseudo competitive battlefield. Just chill, take a deep breath, and relax. It's not that serious.

Added absolutely nothing to the discussion of why or why not BRP weapons should be nerfed. Please refrain from posting banter in the future. Thank you.

I don't really think that's up to you, is it?

It isn’t, that’s why I said please. When people post banter that doesn’t aid to discussion it just makes us as all as conversationalists seem less intelligent. I would like to have intellectual debate here.

You already lost the right to claim that intent when you included VERY thinly veiled insults in your comments, like calling yourself a "more skilled" player (as opposed to everyone else, while your buddy called everyone else inferior players), which you might very well be, but your blatant display of egotism makes it very difficult to take anything you say seriously. It might skate under the radar of moderation, but it doesn't escape the notice of the people whose minds you're attempting to change, and insulting your audience is by far the least effective debate method. The fact that you clearly don't think it's an insult is actually pretty disturbing.

This game is made up of a very wide variety of players with a huge range of skill level and ability. You are allegedly at the very top end of that spectrum, and yet you claim to know what is best for the entire rest of the game, even though the vast majority don't play the game in the same manner you do. Everyone else, barring your very small group of friends, is okay with the staff as it is (Take the DW. It's boring trying to keep up Blade Cloak while fighting since all it does is prolong the fight that should be a quick kill), but you continue to insist that it's bad for all of us. Instead of looking at this as a black/white (It exists or doesn't exist) issue, maybe be more creative in finding ways to make this staff less effective in PvP ONLY, and leave it as it is for PvE.

p00tx wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

What is seriously making me legit laugh at all of this is the seriousness behind these demands. This is an MMORPG, not an e-sport shooter. No one playing this game will ever be taken seriously in e-sports, and other gamers playing other games actually laugh at those of us who take this more seriously. No PvP streamer from this game will ever become famous outside of this community. No one needs to be strong armed into "getting better" and the game doesn't need to be stripped down to suit the desires of a VERY small handful of players who have lost sight of the whole point of this game. It's not to serve their need to make a fantasy game into some sort of pseudo competitive battlefield. Just chill, take a deep breath, and relax. It's not that serious.

Added absolutely nothing to the discussion of why or why not BRP weapons should be nerfed. Please refrain from posting banter in the future. Thank you.

I don't really think that's up to you, is it?

It isn’t, that’s why I said please. When people post banter that doesn’t aid to discussion it just makes us as all as conversationalists seem less intelligent. I would like to have intellectual debate here.

You already lost the right to claim that intent when you included VERY thinly veiled insults in your comments, like calling yourself a "more skilled" player (as opposed to everyone else, while your buddy called everyone else inferior players), which you might very well be, but your blatant display of egotism makes it very difficult to take anything you say seriously. It might skate under the radar of moderation, but it doesn't escape the notice of the people whose minds you're attempting to change, and insulting your audience is by far the least effective debate method. The fact that you clearly don't think it's an insult is actually pretty disturbing.

This game is made up of a very wide variety of players with a huge range of skill level and ability. You are allegedly at the very top end of that spectrum, and yet you claim to know what is best for the entire rest of the game, even though the vast majority don't play the game in the same manner you do. Everyone else, barring your very small group of friends, is okay with the staff as it is (Take the DW. It's boring trying to keep up Blade Cloak while fighting since all it does is prolong the fight that should be a quick kill), but you continue to insist that it's bad for all of us. Instead of looking at this as a black/white (It exists or doesn't exist) issue, maybe be more creative in finding ways to make this staff less effective in PvP ONLY, and leave it as it is for PvE.

But the point is it is unnecessary in PvE. I have healed vSS HM (and provided proof as such) so know FIRST HAND that the staff is not needed. Sure, it may make things easier, but then again, so did earthgore. It does not change the fact that they should still in fact be nerfed.

As for the first part of your comment, you are simply insinuating that I have such an ego that would imply I am just flat out better then everyone else. Obviously if I then had such an ego as you suggest, I would deny this and say I am simply engaging in intellectual discussion. However other people take it is how they take. But of course this is only if I have aforementioned ego.

For those of us on Console, without the help of all of the myriad add-ons, and without the help of the group healer who has their own things to take care of, it becomes necessary. You and I (and others on Console) live in different worlds in terms of capability potential due to a whole list of factors, so yes, it is very much necessary to me and to many like me.

By your logic, it should be fine to keep it, because you don't need it gone to beat someone. It just becomes easier to do so when they don't have the staff equipped, so it's fine.

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

But the point is it is unnecessary in PvE. I have healed vSS HM (and provided proof as such) so know FIRST HAND that the staff is not needed. Sure, it may make things easier, but then again, so did earthgore. It does not change the fact that they should still in fact be nerfed.

As for the first part of your comment, you are simply insinuating that I have such an ego that would imply I am just flat out better then everyone else. Obviously if I then had such an ego as you suggest, I would deny this and say I am simply engaging in intellectual discussion. However other people take it is how they take. But of course this is only if I have aforementioned ego.

But stileanima came on and point-blank told you that you were getting help from the other healer when you were healing the ice cages and that it's standard practice when pushing for scores to solo heal that. You later mentioned that you've done it a lot more since then, but all we've got to go on is the video, and the video shows you getting help from the other healer.