Even when the discomfort is entirely in the hands of ZOS, who put it in the game precisely to sell you an easy solution?drkfrontiers wrote: »I will pay for anything that improves the comfort of my experience.
It begins with a 5 slot pet (Insignificant and testing the waters) it ends with a 100-200 slot pet. What would you think then?
Woodoochill wrote: »There is the definition for you... Lets put aside the subject of pet for now and take the golds(which you can make more from having bigger inventory btw). As many knows you can get golds for selling crowns - these golds can be used to buy items for improving weapons to gold quality which is kinda huge boost over purple ones - now tell me, do the person with gold gear have advantage over purple geard in pvp and higher dps in pve?OP is incorrect in their definition of advantage.
P2w has long been considered when you can buy items in the crown store that make your character stronger in combat than the character can be with items obtained in game.
So storage is not going to make a character stronger by any definitionPay to win is when you can buy BETTER items with real money than you can get in-game.
Pay to win is not when you can buy EQUAL items with real money.
In ESO you can achieve everything without spenfing additional money, so ESO its not pay to win.
The term "pay to win" came from the old games (probably you wasnt born yet at that time) where you can buy X gun only for real money and that gun does double damage to other players and there were no posibilities to loot/find equal or better guns in-game.
This game has bigger problems than crappy cash store..
Woodoochill wrote: »There is the definition for you... Lets put aside the subject of pet for now and take the golds(which you can make more from having bigger inventory btw). As many knows you can get golds for selling crowns - these golds can be used to buy items for improving weapons to gold quality which is kinda huge boost over purple ones - now tell me, do the person with gold gear have advantage over purple geard in pvp and higher dps in pve?OP is incorrect in their definition of advantage.
P2w has long been considered when you can buy items in the crown store that make your character stronger in combat than the character can be with items obtained in game.
So storage is not going to make a character stronger by any definitionPay to win is when you can buy BETTER items with real money than you can get in-game.
Pay to win is not when you can buy EQUAL items with real money.
In ESO you can achieve everything without spenfing additional money, so ESO its not pay to win.
The term "pay to win" came from the old games (probably you wasnt born yet at that time) where you can buy X gun only for real money and that gun does double damage to other players and there were no posibilities to loot/find equal or better guns in-game.
This game has bigger problems than crappy cash store..
If you're trying to imply that this argument is valid, I'll tell you...b the amount of extra gold you'll get by having 5 extra slots is exactly zero.
Fine one example where those slots would make a difference, and I'll let you know that I farm materials, I grab literally every single type of node, and it's on a cp160 but no crafting toon with only 160 slots, meaning for leveled mats, I get twice as many, and I never really fun out of bag space before I have to visit a bank anyway. If I had 5 more slots on that one, I'd be out farming exactly zero minutes more.
I can reply to other use cases you may come up with as we go, because I'm sure 5 extra slots are useless. Absolutely useless
thesoundofwolf wrote: »dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »Your definition of p2w is skewed. A few more slots aren't going to impact much honestly. Also, you can obtain this through other means by paying gold for crowns. The skyshard and other things have to be done on one tune first in order to purchase.
Judging by your poll and your opening comments you are that person who can't see past your own experience so this won't get read anyway.
Also if you need 1200 crowns I can just Paypal you some or even send you the gold to get your pig, bc I grind and trade for all the millions of gold I have in-game. Nothing is p2w and the cash shop is optional, not necessary to enjoy the game.
Someone had to spend money still to do the gold crown exchange lol.
Its like you are missing the point.
Main reason for dropping ESO after an year was the inventory mini game who took up half my playtime.Dusk_Coven wrote: »Woodoochill wrote: »I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it
Spending Crowns is not the issue.
Spending real money is the issue since Crowns come from real money.
So you might as well ask is offering ESO+ for double bank space and infinite crafting bag being on the path of pay to win.
Same with buying houses -- people have to store excess furnishings in houses because otherwise their inventory would be full. Is buying houses for furnishing inventory space part of your P2W complaint too? Because houses cost A LOT of crowns and a lot of them can't be earned in-game or bought with gold and they can't be gifted.
onemoredragon wrote: »
While I think Zos has been poorly managing this game since well before it launched this is one area I am pretty sure they have a firm understanding that if they cross it the company would forever be known for creating P2W games and the serious gaming community would become weary of playing any MMORPG they created going forward and maybe even other games.
I honestly cannot tell what Zos will or will not do, but I believe that things that borderline on P2W are already a wearing down factor. The closer to the line they get, the more doubt and confusion it sows in players' minds (some of them at least). I'm glad there's someone who is convinced this won't happen
Woodoochill wrote: »In the end its all pay for convenience BUT - when you take all these things, and compare player with them against player without it after 2000h of gameplay time there will be such noticable difference, that the convenience-less player will feel like he did not accomplish anything and most of all starts to have feeling of "what if I put those 100$ in like he did, I would surely be much much further than I am" and exactly that, my friend, is P2W - that feeling when you think for yourself "what if I payed for that small convenience back in last year"
Dusk_Coven wrote: »5 more slots in your inventory isnt winning. Anything.
Its pay 4 convenience.
@ArchMikem do you honestly believe that this is going to stop at a single item that grants only 5 slots?
Of course not. Next they will offer you a subscription in exchange for an unlimited Crafting Bag and double Bank space.
What do you mean next?
We started with a subscription. Anything that was added to the subscription was to keep people from abandoning it after ZOS showed their true colours.
The link below is a thread with a much better poll concerning the question of this pet being P2W or not. Significantly clear in both it's question and answers. It also shows how few think this pet is P2W.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/501309/do-you-consider-the-new-pet-p2w/p1
It begins with a 5 slot pet (Insignificant and testing the waters) it ends with a 100-200 slot pet. What would you think then?
Could be 500 and it should still be meaningless. You can't win anything even with 2k slots.
Read with me slowly:
Pay
To
Win
What's the keyword? "Win".
Now read again with me. Slowly...
Can't
Win
With
Big
Bag
Keyword? Can't.
Woodoochill wrote: »The link below is a thread with a much better poll concerning the question of this pet being P2W or not. Significantly clear in both it's question and answers. It also shows how few think this pet is P2W.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/501309/do-you-consider-the-new-pet-p2w/p1
And you still did not understand, this poll is not asking if some damn pet is being p2w or not. Some ppl just wont stop to amaze.
It begins with a 5 slot pet (Insignificant and testing the waters) it ends with a 100-200 slot pet. What would you think then?
Could be 500 and it should still be meaningless. You can't win anything even with 2k slots.
Read with me slowly:
Pay
To
Win
What's the keyword? "Win".
Now read again with me. Slowly...
Can't
Win
With
Big
Bag
Keyword? Can't.
Read with me slowly.
The +5 to space is not the end, it is the beginning. When crown only mounts/pets give a +% to stats, regen, damage the argument will be, 'well it's been in the game forever, just look at the +5 pig'.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »
Of course not. Next they will offer you a subscription in exchange for an unlimited Crafting Bag and double Bank space.
What do you mean next?
We started with a subscription. Anything that was added to the subscription was to keep people from abandoning it after ZOS showed their true colours.
He was being sarcastic.
Read with me slowly.
The +5 to space is not the end, it is the beginning. When crown only mounts/pets give a +% to stats, regen, damage the argument will be, 'well it's been in the game forever, just look at the +5 pig'.
Woodoochill wrote: »Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
Woodoochill wrote: »And you still did not understand, this poll is not asking if some damn pet is being p2w or not. Some ppl just wont stop to amaze.The link below is a thread with a much better poll concerning the question of this pet being P2W or not. Significantly clear in both it's question and answers. It also shows how few think this pet is P2W.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/501309/do-you-consider-the-new-pet-p2w/p1
Woodoochill wrote: »I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).