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Are you okay with ESO getting on path of P2W model?
Woodoochill
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Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.
I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?
Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
Edited by Woodoochill on November 10, 2019 11:16PM I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?
Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
Are you okay with ESO getting on path of P2W model? 304 votes
Yes
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No
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Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Woodoochill wrote: »I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it
Spending Crowns is not the issue.
Spending real money is the issue since Crowns come from real money.
So you might as well ask is offering ESO+ for double bank space and infinite crafting bag being on the path of pay to win.
Same with buying houses -- people have to store excess furnishings in houses because otherwise their inventory would be full. Is buying houses for furnishing inventory space part of your P2W complaint too? Because houses cost A LOT of crowns and a lot of them can't be earned in-game or bought with gold and they can't be gifted.18 -
dcam86b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesYour definition of p2w is skewed. A few more slots aren't going to impact much honestly. Also, you can obtain this through other means by paying gold for crowns. The skyshard and other things have to be done on one tune first in order to purchase.
Judging by your poll and your opening comments you are that person who can't see past your own experience so this won't get read anyway.
Also if you need 1200 crowns I can just Paypal you some or even send you the gold to get your pig, bc I grind and trade for all the millions of gold I have in-game. Nothing is p2w and the cash shop is optional, not necessary to enjoy the game.28 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Where is the other button at since ESO is still far from P2W because when it comes down to it you can give a brand new player a maxed out account BIS gear full meta and if they dont understand the game it self or how to play the toon then its GG NO RE for them every time they step in PVP or better yet PVE.6 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes5 more slots in your inventory isnt winning. Anything.
Its pay 4 convenience.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!29 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Once ZOS starts selling OP gear and weapons in the crown store and I'm talking GOD MODE gear and weapons then its P2W until then I dont care what they sell and hell they can sell CP by the points in the store its still not gonna make that player any good9 -
IndianaJames7✭✭✭✭✭Do you get the 5 inventory spaces only when pig is slotted? Or do they unlock just from buying it?0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesIndianaJames7 wrote: »Do you get the 5 inventory spaces only when pig is slotted? Or do they unlock just from buying it?
Pretty sure you have to have the pet active.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IndianaJames7 wrote: »Do you get the 5 inventory spaces only when pig is slotted? Or do they unlock just from buying it?
Pretty sure you have to have the pet active.
No you don't. Besides, that would really screw things up whenever you wanted to switch up your pet.
Edited by Dusk_Coven on November 9, 2019 9:12PM4 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoNo, I am not fond of them selling a source of stats that is exclusively available for real money purchases.
I understand your concern, OP. The skyshards and skill lines didn't quite meet the definition of P2W because of the constraints put on their purchase.
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[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2023 5:20PM7 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesSome of you play the forum more than you play the actual game. So sure, whatever, may the well of complaints never run dry so you have regular content additions for your personal play style.signing off4 -
Woodoochill✭✭✭No
Yes and I guess everyone who ever played the game for more than hour know thatDusk_Coven wrote: »Crowns come from real money.
Not exactly, crafting bag is a huge improvement thats for sure, but ESO+ also gives chance to enter DLC zones without buying them. Lets say want to try out all dungeons? Buying ESO+ for one single month is much cheaper than buying every single one of those DLCs and after first try saying you will never ever return, but in such case so wont you invested money.Dusk_Coven wrote: »So you might as well ask is offering ESO+ for double bank space and infinite crafting bag being on the path of pay to win.
Personaly speaking I have never been interested in housing (in any game) so every furnishing I get gets sold to closest vendor and I guess I am not only one. TBH the need for keeping every single furnishing item is feels to me as some kind of OCD.Dusk_Coven wrote: »Is buying houses for furnishing inventory space part of your P2W complaint too?
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP is incorrect in their definition of advantage.
P2w has long been considered when you can buy items in the crown store that make your character stronger in combat than the character can be with items obtained in game.
So storage is not going to make a character stronger by any definition so OP is very wrong that it follows the path of P2W but we know how common it is for people to twist things to fit their purpose.
It is no different than with sky shards. No one can become stronger buying sky shards they have unlocked the ability to do so than they can getting the same sky shards in game. Those purchased sky shards are not any more potent than the ones obtained in game. It is merely a convenience.
Edit; Since OP has not only biased the poll but in doing so actually ruined the poll since yes and no are not clear the poll is meaningless. I did not vote because a no or yes could be taken different ways. NO could be I do not have a problem with the pet and do not consider it P2W and yes could be the pet is find and is not P2W. lolEdited by idk on November 9, 2019 9:21PM5 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoIn all honesty, I couldn't care less. If I want to raid or do some other high-end PvE content, I go play my tank warrior in WoW. ESO, for me atleast, devolved into a social MMO where I can chat or do some occasional stuff with guildies or friends, nothing more, nothing less.1 -
Woodoochill✭✭✭No
No, but if they continue, what can we expect? 50 other slots in both bank and inventory during next 5 years? Or maybe pet who picks the loot for you?dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »A few more slots aren't going to impact much honestly.
So player who gets lets say 2 weeks of grind(I dont know the gold per crown ratio) in gold for spending couple of bucks does seem alright to you? Make it further and for those gold you can make full gold eq in couple of hours instead of weeks of farming and in the end its for your real money, not your time in game.dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »Also, you can obtain this through other means by paying gold for crowns.
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoThis isn't pay to win, but they are testing the waters to see how much more they can get away with it, it could be argued that the skyshard thing is the most borderline pay for convenience thing they have done.
I can already see some familiar names here, some people just will take anything, and protect their dear game to the last breath as they are just using you to see what they can get away with it, like really, you can argue that it's not pay to win etc, but pay for convenience is already beyond what should be acceptable in a game that you already pay for, in a buy 2 play mmo, what should be acceptable is dlc and cosmetics up to a certain point, that's it, anything else is free 2 play garbage, and should only stay there.
As usual some people just never fail to disappoint.Edited by JinMori on November 9, 2019 9:28PM6 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Woodoochill wrote: »
Not exactly, crafting bag is a huge improvement thats for sure, but ESO+ also gives chance to enter DLC zones without buying them. Lets say want to try out all dungeons? Buying ESO+ for one single month is much cheaper than buying every single one of those DLCs and after first try saying you will never ever return, but in such case so wont you invested money.Dusk_Coven wrote: »So you might as well ask is offering ESO+ for double bank space and infinite crafting bag being on the path of pay to win.
You're changing the subject to erroneously dismiss the point.
Bottom line -- you are saying paying real money for inventory space is p2w.
ESO+ gives you inventory space and you pay real money. Therefore you are implying ESO+ is p2w.
Again changing the subject AND demonstrating a close-minded attitude. Just because you personally don't do it doesn't mean it isn't a necessity for people and they don't have a mental illness. They just have different interests that require different strategies. And people having different interests is completely unrelated to your p2w argument.Woodoochill wrote: »Personaly speaking I have never been interested in housing (in any game) so every furnishing I get gets sold to closest vendor and I guess I am not only one. TBH the need for keeping every single furnishing item is feels to me as some kind of OCD.
All this irrelevant attempts at dismissal show that your position really has no substance to it.3 -
Woodoochill✭✭✭No
There is the definition for you... Lets put aside the subject of pet for now and take the golds(which you can make more from having bigger inventory btw). As many knows you can get golds for selling crowns - these golds can be used to buy items for improving weapons to gold quality which is kinda huge boost over purple ones - now tell me, do the person with gold gear have advantage over purple geard in pvp and higher dps in pve?OP is incorrect in their definition of advantage.
P2w has long been considered when you can buy items in the crown store that make your character stronger in combat than the character can be with items obtained in game.
So storage is not going to make a character stronger by any definition
Sorry but title is very self explenatory without need of another word-play and it seems you found in it something which is not even there.Edit; Since OP has not only biased the poll but in doing so actually ruined the poll since yes and no are not clear
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Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Woodoochill wrote: »Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.
I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Right now in Craglorn zone chat.
LF 5 DPS vCR +3 CP600 and New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns, Discord needed.
Sometimes reading the forum is more entertaining than the game.Edited by Chicharron on November 9, 2019 9:37PM2 -
Froil✭✭✭✭✭
✭The big thing here is it's not a contributing factor to combat, whether that be damage output or survivability. This is only convenience of having five (5) more spaces on your character. This same argument was said before regarding housing's containers and ESO+'s increased bank space and craft bag.
Nobody wins because you can hold five more items, even if it's a five piece item set. It's just convenient to have. This same thing was said with the Crown Store skyshards. It does give an advantage, but it's not unfair and is very costly. If you really want to have all the zone skyshards on your low level character, you can farm them like normal. It is simply convenient.
For this to be real P2W (pay to win), it'd need to be a unique and otherwise unobtainable outside the Crown Store thing that actually does impact your ability to win, which for this game is combat related. As it is now? It's just people misusing a word and trying to ruffle feathers and cause a ruckus when in reality this is P2C (pay to convenience)."Best" healer PC/NA1 -
Woodoochill✭✭✭No
Ye what should we do when it has been 14 days of 3/4 BG join ups ending in loading screen or waiting for players.Some of you play the forum more than you play the actual game. So sure, whatever, may the well of complaints never run dry so you have regular content additions for your personal play style.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/501032/question-about-the-new-pig-pet#latestIndianaJames7 wrote: »Do you get the 5 inventory spaces only when pig is slotted? Or do they unlock just from buying it?
*inserts Thank you gif*No, I am not fond of them selling a source of stats that is exclusively available for real money purchases.
I understand your concern, OP. The skyshards and skill lines didn't quite meet the definition of P2W because of the constraints put on their purchase.
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoNo matter if this boar doesn't have impact on combat. It is not cosmetic, it grants statistics. There is one step from that to "elder scrolls artifacts" which will grant 5 piece bonus on 1 or 2 piece etc...
I'll propose to boycott it, but I heard from ton of people how they happily bought it, so it is kinda pointless, same people will buy artifacts with better stats too, P2W is inevitable for AAA products, it is only question of time.6 -
Woodoochill✭✭✭NoChicharron wrote: »Right now in Craglorn zone chat.
LF 5 DPS vCR +3 CP600 and New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns, Discord needed.
Trolls gona troll
, sadly those ppl are either geniuses who has their "thing" thought through and through or folks who are unable to give it thought reaching deeper than their pupils and in my experience its mostly the second version. Edited by Woodoochill on November 9, 2019 9:49PM0 -
Woodoochill✭✭✭NoMartiniDaniels wrote: »No matter if this boar doesn't have impact on combat. It is not cosmetic, it grants statistics. There is one step from that to "elder scrolls artifacts" which will grant 5 piece bonus on 1 or 2 piece etc...
I'll propose to boycott it, but I heard from ton of people how they happily bought it, so it is kinda pointless, same people will buy artifacts with better stats too, P2W is inevitable for AAA products, it is only question of time.
Kinda my point... I am fully aware that this has almost zero effect on the game, but I would rather post such thread/poll now, than read hundreds of crying threads when something like you said will get introduced into the game in a few months/years (once ZOS see the statistics of how much these little steps like this pet earned them).0 -
OolongSnakeTea✭✭✭✭Nodcam86b14_ESO wrote: »Your definition of p2w is skewed. A few more slots aren't going to impact much honestly. Also, you can obtain this through other means by paying gold for crowns. The skyshard and other things have to be done on one tune first in order to purchase.
Judging by your poll and your opening comments you are that person who can't see past your own experience so this won't get read anyway.
Also if you need 1200 crowns I can just Paypal you some or even send you the gold to get your pig, bc I grind and trade for all the millions of gold I have in-game. Nothing is p2w and the cash shop is optional, not necessary to enjoy the game.
Someone had to spend money still to do the gold crown exchange lol.
Its like you are missing the point."I try to create sympathy for my characters, then turn the monsters loose."– Stephen King2 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoDusk_Coven wrote: »So you might as well ask is offering ESO+ for double bank space and infinite crafting bag being on the path of pay to win.
Same with buying houses -- people have to store excess furnishings in houses because otherwise their inventory would be full. Is buying houses for furnishing inventory space part of your P2W complaint too? Because houses cost A LOT of crowns and a lot of them can't be earned in-game or bought with gold and they can't be gifted.
Storage space can be achieved with free mule characters. No grind or no money needed. Just bypass tutorial and park naked in bank.
Housing is 100% cosmetic except if you need/want a place to drop your storage chests, and there are numerous free houses in game the serve that purpose.
The pig is a source of stats that can ONLY be acquired with real life money.4
