Are you okay with ESO getting on path of P2W model?

ayu_fever

Yes

first and foremost, i enjoy the grind.
i odnt think eso is too grindy.
with that said, i wouldnt mind being able to:

buy maelstrom and vdsa gear
materials to gold out everything
geodes to change traits on everything

doing these things wouldnt put a damper on the amount of time i play the game, and at least then i could spend more time being “maxed out” than trying to get maxed out.
i have no problem swiping the card to shorten or entirely bypass these things as well as the things already available.

bongtokin420insd16

Dumb question where does it say it increases the bag space lol?

_Salty_

Yes

I said Yes since I've been playing BDO the last 3 months and I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise.

Finedaible

I wouldn't call the new pet a Pay-to-win feature, however it is a very controversial pay-to-upgrade feature in a game which advertises itself as free-to-play. The pet boar boils down to an inventory capacity upgrade since no one is gonna use the pet anyway.

In a true F2P mmo, like Warframe for example, you can directly trade goods for in-game currency (platinum) for purchases in their own in-game store, if you are smart enough to sell something valuable or in high demand, which can let you purchase much needed upgrades to your account or cosmetics if you can't afford plat. In ESO, there is no direct way to earn inventory upgrades through clever gameplay as such. Sure, you can 'sell' gold to a player for crown purchases (gifts) but these are by no means officially supported (or guaranteed) by the parties involved, One can easily scam another player with the pretense of selling crown purchases for gold, and Zo$ isn't gonna care much b/c it costs them nothing in the end.

Contaminate

No

ayu_fever wrote: »

first and foremost, i enjoy the grind.
i odnt think eso is too grindy.
with that said, i wouldnt mind being able to:

buy maelstrom and vdsa gear
materials to gold out everything
geodes to change traits on everything

doing these things wouldnt put a damper on the amount of time i play the game, and at least then i could spend more time being “maxed out” than trying to get maxed out.
i have no problem swiping the card to shorten or entirely bypass these things as well as the things already available.

And this is why we’re on this decline

People keep asking for the game to become P2W. People ask for the “favor” of skipping gameplay intentionally designed to bore them. People ask for powerful weapons to be buyable with cash. And too many people will look at this bonus and buy it, and in doing so give full approval to have more stat booster “cosmetics” added.

idk

Ascarl wrote: »

I dislike polls which have two choices which only reflect the mindset of the questioner and leave little choice for the respondent.
By answering yes or no I have to agree that this is valid question which in my humble opinion is not the case. Your interpretation of pay to win is far from the original meaning of that phrase.
For me this is all about mass hysteria.
Just me two cents.

Exactly.

I pointed out earlier that the results of the poll are meaningless because a yes or now could be how the player views P2W or how the player view the OP's take on P2W and especially the pet itself.

The link below is a poll that has clarity in both it's questions and answers as it as the OP does not attempt to bias it with their thoughts beforehand.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/501309/do-you-consider-the-new-pet-p2w/p1

Luckylancer

No

Pay to wins:
I cant retarit my jewels, this put me in disadvantage in pvp
Last 2 expansion's sets are sooooo BiS, you cant be competitive without them. They dont have alternatives too.
ZoS release OP classes to sell them, then nerf them later on.
I cant use race againts time on my magicka toons to remove snares. Magplar, magcro, magblade and magdk can live without it but you can remove snares with warden and sorc. These 2 classes dont have alternative. I have to pay to make my chracters stronger.


Lastly people can sell crown to get gold we have to grind for hours. This is good and bad at same time. We can get crown store items with gold but they can buy anything we farm with their real cash.

A minor one: I cant use crushing weapon for my stam sorc pvp and class dont have spammable. This was the case for DK but it is fixed.

brimstone74

No

ayu_fever wrote: »

with that said, i wouldnt mind being able to:

buy maelstrom and vdsa gear
materials to gold out everything
geodes to change traits on everything

eww....This is what's wrong with gaming....

Marcus684

JamilaRaj wrote: »

idk wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

It was an outrage, I was in PvP and was killed by the non-combat pet. I then bought the non-combat pet myself and solo'd vSS. /s

Loaded question, and completely wrong on P2W.

5 inventory spots does help you win. It might save you an emergency trip to a vendor / decon station, but that is not winning, that is QOL.

If you were in a fight with somebody that has an INFINITE inventory, that would still not give them any combat advantage over you in PvP nor in any trial.

Love this reply. Both humorous and so correct.

Except it is incorrect. Ever increasing amount of clutter with 2014 inventory limits presents such a massive time sink in form of dumping rubbish from inventory and shifting load between mules to make room for crafting on given character (or to just make that character playable) that reasonably active players may waste several hours per week doing just that, or literally hundreds of hours per year. If you fought somebody of (initially) equal skill who spent several hundreds of hours more than you (because he had infinite inventory and was free from doing aforementioned chores) on improving gear or simply practicing, even though overall he spent the same amount of time in game as you, you can bet he would have an advantage. If he paid for that advantage, here you go - P2W.

You win the gold medal for Mental Gymnastics to Justify an Opinion. Please take your place on the podium for the playing of your national anthem.

Iselin

No

Woodoochill wrote: »

So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.

Haven't read all the replies but I'm going to have to call you on that. Any newish player who PvPs in Cyrodiil knows that the riding lessons, specifically the speed ones, are much more than just appearance or leveling speed.

Speed of response is a huge deal in Cyrodiil and the in-game method of maxing mount speed will take you nearly 2 months while the cash shop version lets you max it in 5 minutes. That is actually the most P2W thing in the cash shop.

nickl413

Woodoochill wrote: »

Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.

I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).

So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.

Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?

Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.

You actually thought you would start a debate with a premise and nobody was going to debate the premise?

Katahdin

Did not buy it, not gona buy it.
Just not worth it imo.

5 measly slots per character don't mean diddly. Won't even put a dent in invertory.

Ysbriel

It’s not pay to win

barney2525

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The very first time that I can use my inventory slots to kill a boss, I'll start considering if these pets are P2W.

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