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Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

Thats a solid score. What is your bar setup?

Front bar - entropy, mass hysteria, inner light, swallow soul, spectral bow

Back bar - debilitate, healing ward, cloak, rapid regen, siphoning attacks

Certainly impressive healing numbers for just rapid regen + resto ult. Also, how do you feel healing ward compares to ward ally? I personally use ward ally for 100% guarantee I get the shield and for support on group mates with blackrose resto. I haven't tested the new heal ward since I assumed it was trash on a brawler kind of build, which is how I play magblade. What is your experience?

My Healing Ward with a less than 3K tooltip on a low-stat build has crit for up to 5K with Blackrose resto in CP IC. It will crit for about 4.2K in repeatable tests at around 30% health. The problem with it is that, when you get hit, it's still only a small shield and tends to get consumed without healing. To get the ideal numbers basically means you successfully cloaked or shaded.

I play exclusively no CP. CP is a massive carry and in my opinion a lot more boring, so I focus all my builds towards no CP and BGs. As for the bolded part in your argument, this is what I figured what would happen. I always play with dark cloak so I felt I cannot make the most out of that healing.

As for dark cloak, I understand the critique towards it, and can see why people opt for shadowy disguise, but I personally hate the cloakspam playstyle. With cloak you don't have to think as much about your positioning, which makes you lazy. I used to play exclusively stamblade back in the day, and boy was it a rude awakening to actually have to learn positioning when playing other classes. Also with dark cloak I feel I am more able to stay with the group in a brawl without having to pop out and leaving my team with 3 man. What many cloakers don't realize is that even when you cloak and do not run away, the enemy only sees your 3 teammates and they will receive more focus from the enemy team as a result. The healing from dark cloak isn't the best but its decent when stacked with other hots like refreshing path, swallow soul, siphoning strikes, etc. I can definately feel an increase in sturdyness.

Your assertion that CP is a massive carry is the one thing that I find flat out incorrect, at least as it pertains to my own build. It actually performs better in no CP. I just find it different. Players may be less tanky overall, but because of the lower damage I find the average 1v1 time actually a bit longer. It's harder to heal and harder to sustain and this is conducive to fights having an outcome, rather than stalemating. If that's what you mean by it being less boring, then I agree with that part. At any rate, as a squishy sustain build and, well, a proc build, no CP actually suits me a great deal, yet I still play CP most of the time. I've historically played a lot in IC. I would like to play in Cyro more, but am quite intolerant of lag. My continued preference for CP has a lot to do with that, as it's just the better option for (solo) farming, in IC, when there's a lull in PvP.

Of course there are builds that are better suited to no cp, than to cp. Proc builds are an example of that. That has nothing to do with what I mean with 'carried', though.

The reason for why CP is a carry, has multiple reasons.
- You are often fighting people with lower cp than you. 100% carry right there. I have hit people with 18k bow procs in cp, which is close to impossible in no cp.
- It is a lot easier to build for full damage and still have decent sustain and defence, than in no cp. No cp builds require a lot more focus on sustain and mitigation, and thus sacrifices, whereas in cp these things are handed to you. In cp people are more often slotting more damage, because the "tank meta" is more evident there.
- Solo play in cp and no cp is a difference of night and day. Especially as a magicka build. In no cp you will run dry of stamina so much faster, plus free damage from procs actually hurts like hell there. CP feels like a walk in the park, because heals, sustain and mitigation are so much more potent. In no cp you have to be fast, mobile and have top knotch movement, else you will simply crumble under the pressure of even 2 halfway decent players.

Anyway, as far as the rest of your post that I snipped out, I see where you come from. I have actually been thinking to try a high burst damage setup using shadowy disguise + concealed, with good stam sustain so I can make more use of roll dodge. Was thinking to use the new marauder set with blackrose resto so I can healward + dodgeroll into cloak and then use RAT and dart out of trouble with the combined speed of those 3 sources. Then my 2nd 5 piece set would probably be something like amberplasm, with slimecraw monsterset. I have found combining slimecraw with lotus fan and soul harvest makes you reach very high burst even when your other sets are not even that damage oriented. Was hitting some people for 10k + bow procs with such setups.

If you’re only no-CP I’d try BTB, Pelinals and Balorg. 2H-resto, 5m-2L, 3x WP glyphs.

No-CP doesn’t have the magicka boosts that CP has so it works. Medium armour weapon damage passives are converted into spell power.

Main issue is lack of crit and being dependent on onslaught for pen, but the burst is great. Might work with marauder, I’m not sure.

When everything is up you get over a 10k concealed tooltip in no-CP with 100% pen.

P.S - there’s the build.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=186721

People always ask me why I don’t just play a stamblade. Silly question, because I’m a magblade. Mist form is nice on a magblade it you haven’t tried it too, it stops magicka but not stamina regen. Looking at it now Sap might fit nicely on that front bar, getting major brutality is always an issue and it’d allow better pots.

That build no doubt hits very hard, I'm just not a fan of 2h ult or any melee weapon on magblade, outside of dw when bombing. I am a true destro resto magblade Reason I mentioned concealed was just for the speed bonus on backbar. I would never use it as a spammable, since its sustained damage output is lackluster compared to the dmg you put out with destro la + swallow soul/force pulse.

I recently revisited an old experimental build which I made for no CP, that requires very little mag recovery to sustain, hits very hard and is still sturdy enough to stay on the group. I have changed some things to it to add more damage at a loss of resistance, which I can since merciless now gives mitigation too and dark cloak has increased duration. It is focussed purely on single target burst damage, so my total damage numbers in BG are not as high as they would be on other specs, but I am either getting the KB's or setting up the kills for teammates with well times combo's. So far I am really happy with how it works and how hard it hits, although you are a bit susceptible to being burst down when you get focussed. So positioning is important. I worked in quite a bit of max stam, to make sure I can dodge/sprint to safety if needed.

Sets are 5 desert rose + 5 magicka furnace (front bar destro) + 2 slimecraw + blackrose resto. Here is the build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=185754

I'm using spell power + crit pots to give me 40% crit on front bar, which is further capitalized by nb passive and RAT. Also using double dot poisons for a bit more pressure. I went with mage mundus as I don't want my max magicka to be too low, considering how magicka furnace set works. Currently I would still lose some value of that 5 piece if it procs at close to 80%, but usually when fighting for prolonged time in BG's your magpool sits at lower percentages, so its not a huge deal. Plus I can control when it procs since its on 1 bar.

As you can see though, offensive stats are very solid all round, with 40% crit, 32k mag, 3,2k spell dmg, 10k pen, and on top of that receiving 8% dmg from slimecraw, 8% dmg from lotus fan and an additional 20% dmg from soul harvest. I am blowing consistent 8-12k assassins wills into people, depending on how tanky they are. Meanwhile, sustain is no problem at all with breton, siphoning strikes, ele drain and since both sets proc on cooldown on BG's with all the AoE and dots flying around. Defense is okay too, and both sets offering a convenient line of armor fits nicely too.

It's noting BiS, just a fun build that actually can work well in a team that throws around some support heals, to make sure you can go all out aggressive when there is a window of opportunity.

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Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

Thats a solid score. What is your bar setup?

Front bar - entropy, mass hysteria, inner light, swallow soul, spectral bow

Back bar - debilitate, healing ward, cloak, rapid regen, siphoning attacks

Certainly impressive healing numbers for just rapid regen + resto ult. Also, how do you feel healing ward compares to ward ally? I personally use ward ally for 100% guarantee I get the shield and for support on group mates with blackrose resto. I haven't tested the new heal ward since I assumed it was trash on a brawler kind of build, which is how I play magblade. What is your experience?

My Healing Ward with a less than 3K tooltip on a low-stat build has crit for up to 5K with Blackrose resto in CP IC. It will crit for about 4.2K in repeatable tests at around 30% health. The problem with it is that, when you get hit, it's still only a small shield and tends to get consumed without healing. To get the ideal numbers basically means you successfully cloaked or shaded.

I play exclusively no CP. CP is a massive carry and in my opinion a lot more boring, so I focus all my builds towards no CP and BGs. As for the bolded part in your argument, this is what I figured what would happen. I always play with dark cloak so I felt I cannot make the most out of that healing.

As for dark cloak, I understand the critique towards it, and can see why people opt for shadowy disguise, but I personally hate the cloakspam playstyle. With cloak you don't have to think as much about your positioning, which makes you lazy. I used to play exclusively stamblade back in the day, and boy was it a rude awakening to actually have to learn positioning when playing other classes. Also with dark cloak I feel I am more able to stay with the group in a brawl without having to pop out and leaving my team with 3 man. What many cloakers don't realize is that even when you cloak and do not run away, the enemy only sees your 3 teammates and they will receive more focus from the enemy team as a result. The healing from dark cloak isn't the best but its decent when stacked with other hots like refreshing path, swallow soul, siphoning strikes, etc. I can definately feel an increase in sturdyness.

Your assertion that CP is a massive carry is the one thing that I find flat out incorrect, at least as it pertains to my own build. It actually performs better in no CP. I just find it different. Players may be less tanky overall, but because of the lower damage I find the average 1v1 time actually a bit longer. It's harder to heal and harder to sustain and this is conducive to fights having an outcome, rather than stalemating. If that's what you mean by it being less boring, then I agree with that part. At any rate, as a squishy sustain build and, well, a proc build, no CP actually suits me a great deal, yet I still play CP most of the time. I've historically played a lot in IC. I would like to play in Cyro more, but am quite intolerant of lag. My continued preference for CP has a lot to do with that, as it's just the better option for (solo) farming, in IC, when there's a lull in PvP.

Of course there are builds that are better suited to no cp, than to cp. Proc builds are an example of that. That has nothing to do with what I mean with 'carried', though.

The reason for why CP is a carry, has multiple reasons.
- You are often fighting people with lower cp than you. 100% carry right there. I have hit people with 18k bow procs in cp, which is close to impossible in no cp.
- It is a lot easier to build for full damage and still have decent sustain and defence, than in no cp. No cp builds require a lot more focus on sustain and mitigation, and thus sacrifices, whereas in cp these things are handed to you. In cp people are more often slotting more damage, because the "tank meta" is more evident there.
- Solo play in cp and no cp is a difference of night and day. Especially as a magicka build. In no cp you will run dry of stamina so much faster, plus free damage from procs actually hurts like hell there. CP feels like a walk in the park, because heals, sustain and mitigation are so much more potent. In no cp you have to be fast, mobile and have top knotch movement, else you will simply crumble under the pressure of even 2 halfway decent players.

Anyway, as far as the rest of your post that I snipped out, I see where you come from. I have actually been thinking to try a high burst damage setup using shadowy disguise + concealed, with good stam sustain so I can make more use of roll dodge. Was thinking to use the new marauder set with blackrose resto so I can healward + dodgeroll into cloak and then use RAT and dart out of trouble with the combined speed of those 3 sources. Then my 2nd 5 piece set would probably be something like amberplasm, with slimecraw monsterset. I have found combining slimecraw with lotus fan and soul harvest makes you reach very high burst even when your other sets are not even that damage oriented. Was hitting some people for 10k + bow procs with such setups.

If you’re only no-CP I’d try BTB, Pelinals and Balorg. 2H-resto, 5m-2L, 3x WP glyphs.

No-CP doesn’t have the magicka boosts that CP has so it works. Medium armour weapon damage passives are converted into spell power.

Main issue is lack of crit and being dependent on onslaught for pen, but the burst is great. Might work with marauder, I’m not sure.

When everything is up you get over a 10k concealed tooltip in no-CP with 100% pen.

P.S - there’s the build.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=186721

People always ask me why I don’t just play a stamblade. Silly question, because I’m a magblade. Mist form is nice on a magblade it you haven’t tried it too, it stops magicka but not stamina regen. Looking at it now Sap might fit nicely on that front bar, getting major brutality is always an issue and it’d allow better pots.

That build no doubt hits very hard, I'm just not a fan of 2h ult or any melee weapon on magblade, outside of dw when bombing. I am a true destro resto magblade Reason I mentioned concealed was just for the speed bonus on backbar. I would never use it as a spammable, since its sustained damage output is lackluster compared to the dmg you put out with destro la + swallow soul/force pulse.

I recently revisited an old experimental build which I made for no CP, that requires very little mag recovery to sustain, hits very hard and is still sturdy enough to stay on the group. I have changed some things to it to add more damage at a loss of resistance, which I can since merciless now gives mitigation too and dark cloak has increased duration. It is focussed purely on single target burst damage, so my total damage numbers in BG are not as high as they would be on other specs, but I am either getting the KB's or setting up the kills for teammates with well times combo's. So far I am really happy with how it works and how hard it hits, although you are a bit susceptible to being burst down when you get focussed. So positioning is important. I worked in quite a bit of max stam, to make sure I can dodge/sprint to safety if needed.

Sets are 5 desert rose + 5 magicka furnace (front bar destro) + 2 slimecraw + blackrose resto. Here is the build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=185754

I'm using spell power + crit pots to give me 40% crit on front bar, which is further capitalized by nb passive and RAT. Also using double dot poisons for a bit more pressure. I went with mage mundus as I don't want my max magicka to be too low, considering how magicka furnace set works. Currently I would still lose some value of that 5 piece if it procs at close to 80%, but usually when fighting for prolonged time in BG's your magpool sits at lower percentages, so its not a huge deal. Plus I can control when it procs since its on 1 bar.

As you can see though, offensive stats are very solid all round, with 40% crit, 32k mag, 3,2k spell dmg, 10k pen, and on top of that receiving 8% dmg from slimecraw, 8% dmg from lotus fan and an additional 20% dmg from soul harvest. I am blowing consistent 8-12k assassins wills into people, depending on how tanky they are. Meanwhile, sustain is no problem at all with breton, siphoning strikes, ele drain and since both sets proc on cooldown on BG's with all the AoE and dots flying around. Defense is okay too, and both sets offering a convenient line of armor fits nicely too.

It's noting BiS, just a fun build that actually can work well in a team that throws around some support heals, to make sure you can go all out aggressive when there is a window of opportunity.

That looks really similar to the MagDK cheese 1vX builds you’ll sometimes see. Have you tried using the same trick?

Add vampire and mist form. While Mist Form will disable your mag regen it won’t disable magicka proc sets, so hit mist form under pressure and you get a lot of magicka back while misting. Usually when I see desert rose I think of guard too; the damage you take from guard will proc it, though I haven’t seen it a lot since guard was changed and am not sure if it still works.

Other than that it’s the typical Magblade issue: poor stamina sustain so you’ll eventually get cc’d and not be able to break free. That monster set that gives mag and stam back might help, IDK.

My previous version of this build used vampire + mistform and it worked. But that was before RAT and phantasmal escape. For this playstyle, and I think magblade in general, either RAT or phantasmal escape + path are always superior to mistform. You are right about the synergy between mistform and the magicka restore proc sets, though. It's just, magblade has no burst heal to quickly heal up after going out of mistform. Hots don't really synergize well with it. Plus I like minor force for this build, because I focus on high burst, and vamp regen passive kind of goes to waste as well with just 900 regen. And finally I hate dying to magdk's just because vamp or eating 8k dawnbreakers just because vamp. So no vamp for me, haha.

Stam sustain is indeed a weakness. I used to have a bit more max mag enchants on my gear to make more efficient use out of magicka furnace, but found that the extra stam from tristat enchants and traits was simply needed. It adds an additional skill element to the gameplay though, for example deciding when to break free and when to just eat a stun. Positioning is also key. Not getting stunned in the first place is a good way to preserve stam.

Another thing I considered was bloodthorn set. But that doesn't have the juicy line of armor on it.

You could also try max stam. And less regen to see if that works for your playstyle. I am a dark elf and use spring with btb to get 43k mag. 45k mag on back bar with will power for shield and 17 stam. I found i can manage high stam and obtain it eaiser than stacking regen.

Using rat i can conserve stam and mainly use for a dodge roll here and there.

Or if your mag sustain is fine and you have a open slot try the stam morph of siphoning strikes.

I have found it easier to manage stam that way over using a set for it.

But like iskiab said the new montser may work for you.

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Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

Thats a solid score. What is your bar setup?

Front bar - entropy, mass hysteria, inner light, swallow soul, spectral bow

Back bar - debilitate, healing ward, cloak, rapid regen, siphoning attacks

Certainly impressive healing numbers for just rapid regen + resto ult. Also, how do you feel healing ward compares to ward ally? I personally use ward ally for 100% guarantee I get the shield and for support on group mates with blackrose resto. I haven't tested the new heal ward since I assumed it was trash on a brawler kind of build, which is how I play magblade. What is your experience?

My Healing Ward with a less than 3K tooltip on a low-stat build has crit for up to 5K with Blackrose resto in CP IC. It will crit for about 4.2K in repeatable tests at around 30% health. The problem with it is that, when you get hit, it's still only a small shield and tends to get consumed without healing. To get the ideal numbers basically means you successfully cloaked or shaded.

I play exclusively no CP. CP is a massive carry and in my opinion a lot more boring, so I focus all my builds towards no CP and BGs. As for the bolded part in your argument, this is what I figured what would happen. I always play with dark cloak so I felt I cannot make the most out of that healing.

As for dark cloak, I understand the critique towards it, and can see why people opt for shadowy disguise, but I personally hate the cloakspam playstyle. With cloak you don't have to think as much about your positioning, which makes you lazy. I used to play exclusively stamblade back in the day, and boy was it a rude awakening to actually have to learn positioning when playing other classes. Also with dark cloak I feel I am more able to stay with the group in a brawl without having to pop out and leaving my team with 3 man. What many cloakers don't realize is that even when you cloak and do not run away, the enemy only sees your 3 teammates and they will receive more focus from the enemy team as a result. The healing from dark cloak isn't the best but its decent when stacked with other hots like refreshing path, swallow soul, siphoning strikes, etc. I can definately feel an increase in sturdyness.

Your assertion that CP is a massive carry is the one thing that I find flat out incorrect, at least as it pertains to my own build. It actually performs better in no CP. I just find it different. Players may be less tanky overall, but because of the lower damage I find the average 1v1 time actually a bit longer. It's harder to heal and harder to sustain and this is conducive to fights having an outcome, rather than stalemating. If that's what you mean by it being less boring, then I agree with that part. At any rate, as a squishy sustain build and, well, a proc build, no CP actually suits me a great deal, yet I still play CP most of the time. I've historically played a lot in IC. I would like to play in Cyro more, but am quite intolerant of lag. My continued preference for CP has a lot to do with that, as it's just the better option for (solo) farming, in IC, when there's a lull in PvP.

Of course there are builds that are better suited to no cp, than to cp. Proc builds are an example of that. That has nothing to do with what I mean with 'carried', though.

The reason for why CP is a carry, has multiple reasons.
- You are often fighting people with lower cp than you. 100% carry right there. I have hit people with 18k bow procs in cp, which is close to impossible in no cp.
- It is a lot easier to build for full damage and still have decent sustain and defence, than in no cp. No cp builds require a lot more focus on sustain and mitigation, and thus sacrifices, whereas in cp these things are handed to you. In cp people are more often slotting more damage, because the "tank meta" is more evident there.
- Solo play in cp and no cp is a difference of night and day. Especially as a magicka build. In no cp you will run dry of stamina so much faster, plus free damage from procs actually hurts like hell there. CP feels like a walk in the park, because heals, sustain and mitigation are so much more potent. In no cp you have to be fast, mobile and have top knotch movement, else you will simply crumble under the pressure of even 2 halfway decent players.

Anyway, as far as the rest of your post that I snipped out, I see where you come from. I have actually been thinking to try a high burst damage setup using shadowy disguise + concealed, with good stam sustain so I can make more use of roll dodge. Was thinking to use the new marauder set with blackrose resto so I can healward + dodgeroll into cloak and then use RAT and dart out of trouble with the combined speed of those 3 sources. Then my 2nd 5 piece set would probably be something like amberplasm, with slimecraw monsterset. I have found combining slimecraw with lotus fan and soul harvest makes you reach very high burst even when your other sets are not even that damage oriented. Was hitting some people for 10k + bow procs with such setups.

If you’re only no-CP I’d try BTB, Pelinals and Balorg. 2H-resto, 5m-2L, 3x WP glyphs.

No-CP doesn’t have the magicka boosts that CP has so it works. Medium armour weapon damage passives are converted into spell power.

Main issue is lack of crit and being dependent on onslaught for pen, but the burst is great. Might work with marauder, I’m not sure.

When everything is up you get over a 10k concealed tooltip in no-CP with 100% pen.

P.S - there’s the build.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=186721

People always ask me why I don’t just play a stamblade. Silly question, because I’m a magblade. Mist form is nice on a magblade it you haven’t tried it too, it stops magicka but not stamina regen. Looking at it now Sap might fit nicely on that front bar, getting major brutality is always an issue and it’d allow better pots.

I think the partial hybrid is interesting, but I always find the cost of running medium pelinals to be hard to overcome.

For example, consider swapping:
Pelinals + Infused Weapon Damage + Warrior + Medium Armour + Brutality
for
New Moon Acolyte + Infused Spell Damage + Serpent + Light Armour + Sorcery

By my calculations this should result in approx (can't do it in the builder as NMA is not there yet)
+100 Spell Damage
+6k Spell Pen
+14% Spell crit
-1400 Weapon Damage
-2% Weapon crit
~same mag regen (mag rec from extra Light pieces balances lost mag rec line of Pelinals)
~same stam regen (Serpent balances loss of stam rec line of Pelinals and stam rec bonus of removed Medium pieces)
+5% all active ability cost (New Moon Acolyte)
-8% all magicka ability cost (cost red from extra Light pieces)
Trade roll dodge/sprint speed medium passive for sprint cost/snare reduction light passive
[edit] Also lose some max health, hopefully didn't miss anything else

Basically, you give up a chunk of weapon damage for for a little spell damage but more importantly get the Light armour passives for crit and pen, and a bit extra of each from New Moon Acolyte.
This would mean vigor would probably have to be removed in favour of a magicka heal, and your 2H light attacks would be somewhat worse.
Mag sustain is probably fairly similar as while the light armour cost reduction outweighs the penalty from New moon acolyte, your magicka requirement goes up slightly due to swapping vigor for a magicka heal.
Stam sustain should feel similar as although you don't have to use stam to cast vigor, this is probably offset by dodge roll costing more as the medium armour roll dodge reduction passive is gone. Although if it is too much/too little then stam regen can be easily adjusted by changing mundus and jewelery glyph/traits to get the value you need.
The other downsides are a reduction in defense due to light armour instead of medium, and the cost increase from NMA will affect your Ults.

Overall I think the net result would be an increase in your mag damage and healing at the cost of some 2H light attack damage, a slight cost increase to Ults, and having to find a skill to replace vigor.

I’ll check it out, if you can get similar numbers in no-CP in light it would be infinitely better.

I was mainly trying to figure out a way to get rid of the downside of using using a 2H weapon for onslaught with weak light attacks because they scale with stam and weapon damage. If you can do it in light you’re better off, the crit and pen passives for light are great, plus the cost reduction of light is good too - even though it has 2k regen it doesn’t feel like it without Siphoning Strikes or Ele drain.

Vigor isn’t necessary and was more of a neat thing where it could be done rather being seminal to the build.

It was more of a ‘hey would this work?’ where it did in no-CP. In CP the extra magicka scaling from hitting 300 CPs means it’s a lot weaker and I didn’t like it, there are better options where I favour crit mod builds. There’s something gratifying about smacking someone from stealth with an over 100% crit mod for big numbers that’s fun.

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I was mainly trying to figure out a way to get rid of the downside of using using a 2H weapon for onslaught with weak light attacks because they scale with stam and weapon damage.

Yeah I figured that was the case. At least with New Moon Acolyte there is still some benefit for the 2H light attacks from the raw weapon damage it gives, but obviously not as much as you had with Pelinals. I guess it depends if the increase it mag damage counteracts it.

I am trying to figure out a build that is somewhere between yours and @fred4's.
Basically Calu + swift melee magblade, but with dual wield not flame staff. So I can relate to:

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People always ask me why I don’t just play a stamblade. Silly question, because I’m a magblade.

My answer to "Why dual wield on Magblade?" would probably be similar.
Obviously dual wield is a definite non-optimal choice, but its my preference in terms of style and I just want to see if its viable at all. My only consolations is that at least the twin blade and blunt passive should buff calu proc along with higher base spell damage (and being able to go nirn + 1/2 strength sharpened may be a slight bonus).

I was intending it for no-CP, in CP I think dual wield would be an even greater loss due to the light attacks being non-magicka damage.

It is challenging to find the right set to pair with Calu for this type of build though though. Ideally I want additional penetration as I feel that is very strong in no-CP plus its one of the few ways I have to maximise Calu's proc (ie: spinners, lover mundus). The more recent sets that provide free off-stat are also nice as these buff the dual wield light attacks (ie: shackle, new moon acolyte). But the biggest problem is trying to get enough sustain, especially given I would prefer out of combat mag regen and reasonable stam regen. Have to give something up, and I'm feeling like the most likely scenario is I will end up with really low max mag.

One place a Magblade can get away with DW is as a healer. I use DW with Symbiosis, doesn’t work well in small scale because radiating regen is too important in places like BG healing but with 6+ it works.

I use DW as a MagDK too. You could try applying the same idea to magblade.

Jorvlund + BRP DW and a 5 piece proc set on your back bar like Caluurion. Jorvlund extends the duration of the major protection from the BRP DW to a decent amount of time. It works on a MagDK because they’re overloaded with major and minor buffs, IDK if you could make it work as a magblade.

MagDKs also get 1k stam from using one of their skill lines so play completely differently. Stam is easy to get and the issue is running out of magicka. Self healing is also a non-issue as a MagDK.

I’d consider shalks too. It depends on your playstyle, if you’re a ganker trying a gank with 500 ultimate with balorgs is great. Downside is not great stats and you need more patience then I have for your Ult to build, but it’s very easy to stay in combat in cyrodiil.

I had a lot of trouble with toppling too, especially 2x Templars using them together, super nasty.

Have you guys tried bloodspawn or 2x 1 piece armour monster sets? I used to use bloodspawn on my healer to make up for light, but last time I checked the uptime was really bad if you aren’t brawling. I switched to 2x 1 piece armour sets.

2x 1 piece armour sets/bloodspawn, going for higher stamina with altmer might be a good setup. Rely on your racial passive to recover stamina with a high stam amount.

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Yeah I think I'm done with this game, I'll come back when and if the performance patch works. Been playing destiny 2, came back to eso and it's like you go kinda numb to the lag. While you're playing alot you notice it less. Go play a different game and come back and it's just like [snip].

GL fellow blades

Yeah I play one BGs match every other day, down from 10+ matches a day.

The gameplay is stale with all the struggles thrown NBs way.

Cloak isn't even fun anymore when everything pulls you out of it - and to think there are still people who don't know how to counter it.

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brandonv516 wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Yeah I think I'm done with this game, I'll come back when and if the performance patch works. Been playing destiny 2, came back to eso and it's like you go kinda numb to the lag. While you're playing alot you notice it less. Go play a different game and come back and it's just like [snip].

GL fellow blades

Yeah I play one BGs match every other day, down from 10+ matches a day.

The gameplay is stale with all the struggles thrown NBs way.

Cloak isn't even fun anymore when everything pulls you out of it - and to think there are still people who don't know how to counter it.

I think it’s because sorcs love going glass canon specs and relying on lots of mag for shield size for survivability. It works well if NBs are neutered and aren’t a threat, because NBs can jump them unprepared from stealth. There’s a whole thread about it on the other page about glass canon sorc specs.

I have a magsorc I mess around with sometimes. Chudan + Necro + BTB works really well. Still haven’t decided if I’ll switch mains, it’s a pain to do undaunted and tweak gear sets on a new character, and leveling skills is a pain. Cloak is fun though so I’ll miss it, but streak is so much better.

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