Drachenfier wrote: »

I think one or two more would be perfect, and to be honest, i'd rather have 7 on one bar than 5 on two.

Agree totally ... Need 2 more situational skill handy rather than a clumsy weapon change in the middle of combat

Actually you have to decide, whether you want a strong buff or another attacking skill. This especially counts for the pvp. Magelight? Rapid Maneuvre? Siege Shield? Purge? Restoring Aura? (I play a healing templar, so i havent looked too much into the other classes yet.)
To be honest it doesnt matter that much, if you have 5 or 7 skillslots. There are plenty more skills, that want to be used and if you allow 7 skills the players would cry for more.

As I said previously, the 10 skills would be fine, if not for the unresponsiveness when swapping bars. Simply get rid of the 0.25 second delay - it allows players to then que up abilities for smooth gameplay.

Without the delay, an option to have both skill bars on the screen at the same time and use different keybindings becomes viable. Those who prefer the 'swap and use same keybindings' can keep it, while those who are able to use more than 5 keys at a time can choose to do so.

It isn't that it takes long in itself, its that you can't que skills on the other bar until the swap has gone through. Hence, in combat, it is very unresponsive and often takes several attempts to do what you want, which, causes it to take a while.

I really can't imagine Zenimax prefers an unresponsive UI. They can try and clean it up, lets things que better; just make things more smooth. However, this might take a while to do.

The quick way to solve this is to just remove the swap delay. It is very minor (literally, try it out when not currently doing something - it'll be done in the blink of an eye), but because it can't be done during other actions it just makes things feel sluggish.

There are a few other responsiveness issues, too - for example, queing up lightning splash to cast after the current action can't be done properly because the template wont appear until the action has finished. You also can't attack during this as it cancels the que (unlike other abilities).

I see some of the responses from the people who like the current system of 5+1 per weapon loadout , is that this system allows them to look at the world more than at their keyboards and that it allows you to think of your setup for that specific situation and i kind of get the idea that the ones who are looking at their keyboards on other MMOs are definitely clickers , maybe i am wrong , but for the time being having such a limited way to set up your character only limits the diversity of builds that you can create for a class , since most people will go for optimization eventually , for a specific spec , you will see , 6 VR 10 RDPS Sorcs that will have the same damn setup , because of the limited about of slots that you have to play around with .
It also seems that people either don't pay atention to what is said in this thread , no one here wants to have 40+ skills (but aparently everyone thinking 2 more is a bad thing , have that in mind ).
Someone said , that its hard to put all the skills on the 1-6 keys on the keyboard , i have that setup right now , so i can bind "R" for something else , seriously , if you are saying that there are people who played other MMOs that are finding this hard , then LOL , and if anyone here played Skyrim , another LOL , since even that game had more skills that you could bind to your keyboard , so instead of being affraid of having to think of a broader variety of builds that could be encountered on the battle field, we should do the opposite.
Please consider this carefully, the OP doesn't ask for a but load of skills , just 2 more per weapon loadout.
Also , there is always the option , for the people who "don't want to look at their keyboards" ) , to not bind more , i mean seriously , some people actually created addons that switch gear , weapons and skill bar loadouts and they can cycle through 4 sets of predetermined setups so this is aready happening , on an even larger scale than we are asking for. At one point , will you call those guys cheaters , because they macroed their sets and are cylicing through them at will ?

It's a limiting factor. Who manages to put more usable skills in his bar will win against someone who just dumps 5 of the most sparkly ones. This game seriously lacks cooldowns, learn to setup a skill bar and don't put 4 DD abilities on it because it's redundant. It also limits PvP abilites - imagine a NB with full loadout of stuns, snares AND siphoning skills.

It's a good thing, keep it this way.

What about a NB with a full loadout of stuns and whatever ? After you break 1 stun or disorient effect you are IMMUNE for 8 damn seconds ? Stun locking can't happen in this game , again how many control and drain skills could you have on a 7 keybind bard ?! yeah 7. The scenario you just listed above , can happen right now if that same NB , wants to control and drain a guy , it just limits them from expanding their playstyle into something more , same with a DK that will use one of his bards to survivability , they got a skill that recovers a but load of their HP , couple that with some mitigation stuff and you got a guy who can reset the fight mid combat, again scenatios like this exist already.
The only thing that adding 2 more skills per weapon loadout would do , is to add diversity.

true , but if you decided to play with spells , you could bind the spells on the number keys in the favorites menu and then just switch between 10 or more skills in your hands , Thuum included in this as well , although , i almost never used anything other the Fus Ro Dah one

I like it the way it is, forces people to move around and not just stand in one spot spamming skill keys. Action style combat.

But also I will add that I play just fine with 5 skills reguardless I just don't think adding 2 more skills will change much is all I was in here for.

Memnock wrote: »

It also seems that people either don't pay atention to what is said in this thread , no one here wants to have 40+ skills (but aparently everyone thinking 2 more is a bad thing , have that in mind )

Well then here is another argue that has been stated against adding in "just 1 more slot"

SOMEBODY just wants 1 more. Somebody ELSE wants just 2 more. Somebody else wants all 10. Hey the keyboard has the -+ key WHY cant we be using these on the hot bar 12 sloted abilities. Why cant we have the weapon swap faster so its like 24 abilities. HEY I can use alt+keys so why cant I have 48 abilities.

NOBODY asked for it. But where do you draw the line? WHY are we going to stop at "7+2". WE couldn't stop at 5+1 the systems fine and now it "HAS TO CHANGE". So there is always reason for more the question is WHY WONT WE ADD MORE towards 40+ SOMEBODY WILL ask for it. 10 abilities on a hot bar with weapon swap is damn close.

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Memnock wrote: »

It also seems that people either don't pay atention to what is said in this thread , no one here wants to have 40+ skills (but aparently everyone thinking 2 more is a bad thing , have that in mind )

Well then here is another argue that has been stated against adding in "just 1 more slot"

SOMEBODY just wants 1 more. Somebody ELSE wants just 2 more. Somebody else wants all 10. Hey the keyboard has the -+ key WHY cant we be using these on the hot bar 12 sloted abilities. Why cant we have the weapon swap faster so its like 24 abilities. HEY I can use alt+keys so why cant I have 48 abilities.

NOBODY asked for it. But where do you draw the line? WHY are we going to stop at "7+2". WE couldn't stop at 5+1 the systems fine and now it "HAS TO CHANGE". So there is always reason for more the question is WHY WONT WE ADD MORE towards 40+ SOMEBODY WILL ask for it. 10 abilities on a hot bar with weapon swap is damn close.

the current system highly prefers classes relying on timed and not "permanent" effects and due to the clunky weaponswitch mechanic classes that do not rely on quick reactions as two seconds while you are waiting for your qb switch progres can decide about live and death (healers in pvp e.g.).
so all i want is a simultanius acces to the 10 ability slots we allready have (they are enough from my pov if you are not forced to double slot) while the weapon swithch is handled in the background enabling and disabling the used skills on the quickbar as it is now. that would mean a system as restrictive as now but without horribly gimping some classes/specs while others are merely touched.

I just thinks this is very limited because of the persistent self buffs...

When I use timed buff I can switch between bars and they stay up for the duration, the unlimited duration not so much wich means i have to give up another slot in the other bar just so they stay up and that is wrong very wrong...

And if that is working as intended that it seriously needs revising, it's my pet pive with this game and one I can see putting me off from the game in the future

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

the current system highly prefers classes relying on timed and not "permanent" effects and due to the clunky weaponswitch mechanic classes that do not rely on quick reactions as two seconds while you are waiting for your qb switch progres can decide about live and death (healers in pvp e.g.).
so all i want is a simultanius acces to the 10 ability slots we allready have (they are enough from my pov if you are not forced to double slot) while the weapon swithch is handled in the background enabling and disabling the used skills on the quickbar as it is now. that would mean a system as restrictive as now but without horribly gimping some classes/specs while others are merely touched.

Well the current system feels "clunky" due to the fact its a "role change".

Whether most people are using it as a role change or simply an extension of their current role, its a role change.

Being that its a role change the devs DIDNT want people to rapidly change between 2 different role in combat. Yes you can change roles during combat but its a penalizing system to avoid over usage that's why there is a delay in the weapon swap. The builds on weapon swaps are supposed to be a build of their own, that's why there is frustration when your trying to extend your current role.

But im sure this will fall on deaf ears.

Wrong. I'm not going to inform you of this again; this is the last time, so listen up - this is all your opinion. You can't tell people how they must play.

Besides, you are highly likely to be wrong with the statement "the devs DIDNT want people to rapidly change between 2 different role in combat" - you can switch VERY quickly. Try it. it is less than 0.25 seconds. How much quicker could it be without being practically unnoticeable?

The issue here is not the overall design, it is the unresponsive small parts that fit into that design. For example, you can't queue the weapon swap while using a heavy attack. You can't queue the weapon swap right after casting an ability; you have to wait a moment (it isn't long, but if you do it too quickly and don't notice you can end up wasting a lot of time). You can't queue abilities on the other bar because you can't see the other bar until the weapon swap has occurred. It is easy to double-tap the weapon swap by accident. Sometimes it just fails to queue the swap at all, for no apparent reason.

These are UI issues, not mechanic issues. Very few games make it their mission to give the user a poor UI, so stop trying to peddle it as desired.