How often do you want meta changes

  • mairwen85
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    Every 13 minutes and 27 seconds.
  • Drdeath20
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    There has to be something to do to keep people playing for years.

    Ofcourse you can you still complete content with non meta sets but we spend half our time trying to get better and the other half enjoying our new strength. Unless your some weirdo that role plays lol.

    If the meta shifts slowed down, i think it would be hard to keep people (with years vested) interested.
  • Katahdin
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    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    There has to be something to do to keep people playing for years.

    Ofcourse you can you still complete content with non meta sets but we spend half our time trying to get better and the other half enjoying our new strength. Unless your some weirdo that role plays lol.

    If the meta shifts slowed down, i think it would be hard to keep people (with years vested) interested.

    Been playing since beta.
    I have plenty to keep me busy without having to rebuild my characters every 3 months.

    In fact having to do so is keeping me from playing the game and it's getting tiresome. Its not playing, its rebuilding.

    I would argue that right now, more people are being driven from the game because the constant changes.
    Edited by Katahdin on September 4, 2019 11:20PM
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  • Drdeath20
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    There has to be something to do to keep people playing for years.

    Ofcourse you can you still complete content with non meta sets but we spend half our time trying to get better and the other half enjoying our new strength. Unless your some weirdo that role plays lol.

    If the meta shifts slowed down, i think it would be hard to keep people (with years vested) interested.

    Been playing since beta.
    I have plenty to keep me busy without having to rebuild my characters every 3 months.

    In fact having to do so is keeping me from playing the game and it's getting tiresome. Its not playing, its rebuilding.

    I would argue that right now, more people are being driven from the game because the constant changes.

    Youve been playing since beta and still have plenty to keep you busy?

    Ive only been playing for 4 years and well pickings are getting slim.

    all content can be completed with non meta sets. My original point is for those that dont have much left to do, we appreciate having a goal to aim for.
  • akl77
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    Never, cos why? Bloodborn or dark souls never need to re balance anything.
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  • bmnoble
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    I don't really bother with the meta, I find something that works for me and stick with it.
  • Sylvermynx
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    Jeremy wrote: »
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    With all the complaints about the meta shifting so fast thought it would be good to see what people think by making a poll.

    I don't concern myself with the "meta". Never have. Never will.

    I would suggest people just find a build they enjoy and have fun with it. Those who always chase after the most OP build every update are likely just going to be disappointed with a future nerf. Because basically all people do when they do this sort of thing is highlight imbalances in the game play and advertise to the developers that they need to be nerfed (which is usually exactly what happens).

    This. I don't chase meta. I don't even think about it. I'm also pretty adaptable. As long as the game is fun (it is), I just really don't care what they do with the meta....
  • notyuu
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    every damn day via a randomiser...couldn't be any worse than what the combat team is doing...
  • freespirit
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    I was discussing this in guild the other night...…

    Many people, had many points of view...…

    My point of view was I'm very lazy, I never change my builds because over the last 5 years they regularly become crap, followed soon after by meta! :)
    When people say to me........
    "You're going to regret that in the morning"
    I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!
  • Jagdkommando
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    ErinM31 wrote: »
    Never, unless it’s because new options have been introduced. I’ve never liked huge nerfs or changing how a class fundamentally works in any game.

    This
  • Grandma
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    Every year (12 months)
    in big terms, annually is more than enough for me. for minor balances, obviously all year is fine. But only once a year do I want a summerset/scalebreaker type deal where they change a bunch of stuff up. unfortunately it looks like dragonhold will be changing things just as much/more than scalebreaker did, so that's.... great.
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  • StormeReigns
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    Kill the meta, bring in the goat.
  • MasterSpatula
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    No meta, please.
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  • Drdeath20
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    Theres a vision and a purpose. Context is absolutely important here. Meta is not being changed bcz of boredom but bcz AoE was far outperforming single target DoTs and that shouldnt be. Prove me wrong! With summerset they addressed racials to what they feel comfortable with. Its not perfect but its much better than it was before and come dragonbones they said they will strengthen class identities. Please keep it comming, aslong as they are trying to make the game better for everybody.

    Its obvious wheeler knows there are problems and has done stuff to try and remedy it.

    As far as meta chasing, well its neither required or necessary. If your not interested in trying to keep up, you dont have to. I could wear BSW and MS and still smash through content.
  • Casterial
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    Quarterly (Every 3 months)
    Stale meta = stale playerbase, I know from experience. 3-6months is a good switch up for MMOs.
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  • lucky_Sage
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    My build has barely changed in over a year just a monster set or two and a morph and ability or two
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  • SydneyGrey
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    Hourly. I can't wait to have all my characters changed again!

    Or, more seriously, maybe once every three years would be ok.

    (I'm not actually a meta chaser ... this is a joke, people.)

    Edited by SydneyGrey on September 5, 2019 4:12AM
  • Heimpai
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    Depends on what you mean..I know it’s asking far too much but I’d like no meta..anyway you want to play will be just as good whether it’s pvp or pve

    I don’t like 1-2 classes above the rest and i don’t like that every build is basically the same..pve needs diversity, pvp is better at this but it could use improvement‘s too

    After they fix the current state i hope they take some time to give the server it’s needed love before trying to balance more or throw new content at us
  • Shawn_PT
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    Never. I don't like change IRL and I don't like change in games. Whenever I feel like I have found a way to play that is actually decent and can get things done, it gets completely obliterated.

    Just now I was really happy with my DD for the first time in four years. Last two patches have sent his DPS down the crapper. Looking at the numbers people demand for a simple trial nowadays makes me feel forced into the role of tank again if I ever want to get anything done. Which is a shame. I don't want to tank. I want to kill stuff for a change. I feel denied once more.
  • Iluvrien
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    Never.

    Does gravity change strength? Does the hammer you were using to knock in a nail yesterday suddenly become twice as effective? Does a nuke lose half of its destructive potential from one week to the next?

    Combat changes are rewriting the rules of the world our characters are supposed to inhabit.

    No changes. Ever.

    If that causes the kind of player who says things like “combat changes keep endgame content fresh” to leave... then so much the better. Stop supporting changes to everyone else’s game, just so that you don’t get bored in your hamster wheel.
  • AbysmalGhul
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    No meta, please.

    Impossible
  • Nerftheforums
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    Depends how *** the meta is. Proc meta? 2 days. Cwc meta? Forever.
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
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    Half a year (6 months)
    Keeps players doin content
  • Olupajmibanan
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    Every year (12 months)
    While I support drastic meta shifts once a year, no faster, I am all in for immediate balance fixes of clearly overperforming things any time in year. An example of this is single target dots proccing weapon enchants. This type of crazy overperforming stuff has to go as soon as possible.

    But I'd also like to remind that something that is meta doesn't neccesarily has to be overperforming. En example is maelstrom dual wield in Scalebreaker. It is the meta but isn't overperforming. You can achieve similar dps results with a lot of setups without vMA dual wield, but people simply chose vMA DW for it's very convenient use. It became meta because of player preference and not because of being overperforming.
    Edited by Olupajmibanan on September 5, 2019 6:39AM
  • mocap
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    Every year (12 months)
    not fan of meta builds, prefer "meta adjustments". Small, very small corrections to my builds.
    Edited by mocap on September 5, 2019 6:41AM
  • code65536
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    Nestor wrote: »
    The Meta is a Myth. With variations in Rotations and Timings and Lag that actual combat has, there are many ways to the Leaderboards and Victories. Just play the way that makes sense to you and how you play. You will find these changes have less of an impact than you would think.

    @Nestor In case you haven't noticed, there is Content Creep in this game. That is to say, each new vet DLC content raises the bar of difficulty, to keep pace with Power Creep.

    But Power Creep isn't always indiscriminate. In the case of the Elsweyr update, the Power Creep came in large part in the form of the Necromancer class. So if you wanted to harness the Power Creep of Update 22, you have to stack your group with stamina Necromancers. You could choose not to do so, of course, and I run with people that prefer to play with existing characters instead of rolling a new one. But it does mean forgoing a substantial amount of Power Creep, and since new content is tuned with that Power Creep in mind, not following the meta means certain things are simply unachievable. And, yes, you can definitely feel the difference in power between a group stacked with necros and a group that is not.

    So, no, you're absolutely wrong. It most definitely does have an impact. And not following it does preclude certain "victories". And while we choose not to roll a stacked-stam-necro group, thus shunning the meta, we are not so naive to think that this choice has no consequence.
    Edited by code65536 on September 5, 2019 7:33AM
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  • BigBragg
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    No desire for a scheduled meta shifts in the game. Prefer thoughtful changes based an the evolving needs of the community and game.
  • Fischblut
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    Never :) It's third year since I'm using same gear on some of my characters for PvE :smiley: I don't like to refarm gear, and to constantly think what I need to use or replace. It's ok to get more gear options with new DLCs, but I wish they wouldn't destroy some of old options. When gear which I have and like to use becomes obsolete, I'm very discouraged :'(
  • VaxtinTheWolf
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    Don't obsess over "meta", but just be effective with your build. That's all I would care about. I play for my enjoyment, and the environment of meta-or-nothing obsessed individuals don't interest me. One reason why I've yet to bother with Trials myself.
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  • beadabow
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    Every year (12 months)
    As far as Pve goes, I'd rather the developers introduce new monsters, bosses, opponents and trash mobs as well as change the existing monster mechanics every so often. It would be interesting to fight a world boss, kill it, come back a few months later and see things have changed...and now the monster is smarter. Still, I like the changes to characters/classes to keep things different. I imagine some players would freak out if the developers did this, but give it some thought.

    I also like to pvp every once in awhile - so I appreciate that the developers are trying to keep that arena both balanced and challenging on their end. The changing meta for builds is not so much of a factor for me, however - because I keep a lot of different gear and skill sets across 18 characters which allow adapting to be less tedious. As far as meta goes, I read about it, imitate it, and then make changes to suit my playing style for the particular build in focus.
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