Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

No_Division · August 2019

Syiccal wrote: »

It's weird but I have found since upping my base regen from 1200 to 1950 on my magplar I have won far more fights than previously, ppl are so tanky these days being able to endlessly sustain makes life alot easier. Currently now have 1950 + ele+ rune + pots . Now I can put alot more pressure on ppl without running dry and more often than not I can see when they have blown through there resources trying to defend th pressure

I agree with that.

Syiccal · August 2019

No_Division wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

It's weird but I have found since upping my base regen from 1200 to 1950 on my magplar I have won far more fights than previously, ppl are so tanky these days being able to endlessly sustain makes life alot easier. Currently now have 1950 + ele+ rune + pots . Now I can put alot more pressure on ppl without running dry and more often than not I can see when they have blown through there resources trying to defend th pressure

I agree with that.

Still have 42k mag, 3k spell dmg buffed ( major + minor sorcery) and 17.5k penetration. Pvp buffs obviously add onto this also.

Rhaegar75 · August 2019

What are stamplars using these days?

I feel fairly settled with my magplar but I’m very puzzled about his stamina brother.

MaTaHgA · August 2019

Tonight I tried heavy axiom+spinner+bloodspawn in no-cp, it was great. Good damage and survivability. But I think clever alchemist is better for cyrodiil than axiom.

Syiccal · August 2019

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

What are stamplars using these days?

I feel fairly settled with my magplar but I’m very puzzled about his stamina brother.

If I were to make a stamplar for scalebreaker I would most certainly use bloodspawn, seventh legion and bone pirate. I think seventh legion could work very nicely on a stamplar as rune is very cheap and will proc seventh

SneaK · August 2019

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

With regards to the new meta I've resorted to stay offensive: it seems that even when I build defense I lose damage and what I gain is still not enough to keep me alive...a stall at best!

I've been a 'scoria man' for a while but I'm thinking about possibly switching set: any suggestions apart from BS?

Others might not agree but Lord Warden is a pretty good set especially if running in a smaller group and stacking towers/chokes.

Syiccal · August 2019

SneaK wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

With regards to the new meta I've resorted to stay offensive: it seems that even when I build defense I lose damage and what I gain is still not enough to keep me alive...a stall at best!

I've been a 'scoria man' for a while but I'm thinking about possibly switching set: any suggestions apart from BS?

Others might not agree but Lord Warden is a pretty good set especially if running in a smaller group and stacking towers/chokes.

I think it would only benefit if more than a couple ppl ran it and it stacked other wise 1 chudan 1 pirate is basicly the same thing but 100% uptime on the resists

SneaK · August 2019

Syiccal wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

With regards to the new meta I've resorted to stay offensive: it seems that even when I build defense I lose damage and what I gain is still not enough to keep me alive...a stall at best!

I've been a 'scoria man' for a while but I'm thinking about possibly switching set: any suggestions apart from BS?

Others might not agree but Lord Warden is a pretty good set especially if running in a smaller group and stacking towers/chokes.

I think it would only benefit if more than a couple ppl ran it and it stacked other wise 1 chudan 1 pirate is basicly the same thing but 100% uptime on the resists

LW is basically 100%, and it gives slightly more resists than two mix matched sets

Synozeer · August 2019

SneaK wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

With regards to the new meta I've resorted to stay offensive: it seems that even when I build defense I lose damage and what I gain is still not enough to keep me alive...a stall at best!

I've been a 'scoria man' for a while but I'm thinking about possibly switching set: any suggestions apart from BS?

Others might not agree but Lord Warden is a pretty good set especially if running in a smaller group and stacking towers/chokes.

I think it would only benefit if more than a couple ppl ran it and it stacked other wise 1 chudan 1 pirate is basicly the same thing but 100% uptime on the resists

LW is basically 100%, and it gives slightly more resists than two mix matched sets

The only thing bad about Lord Warden is that the effect is stationary, so if you're kiting or on the move you'll lose the proc'ed bonus. But I guess that's the price for being able to affect everyone in an area vs. one person.

SneaK · August 2019

Synozeer wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

With regards to the new meta I've resorted to stay offensive: it seems that even when I build defense I lose damage and what I gain is still not enough to keep me alive...a stall at best!

I've been a 'scoria man' for a while but I'm thinking about possibly switching set: any suggestions apart from BS?

Others might not agree but Lord Warden is a pretty good set especially if running in a smaller group and stacking towers/chokes.

I think it would only benefit if more than a couple ppl ran it and it stacked other wise 1 chudan 1 pirate is basicly the same thing but 100% uptime on the resists

LW is basically 100%, and it gives slightly more resists than two mix matched sets

The only thing bad about Lord Warden is that the effect is stationary, so if you're kiting or on the move, you'll lose the proc'ed bonus.

Right, which is why I said especially if playing in towers/chokes.

Akinos · August 2019

No_Division wrote: »

found these little old school tidbits (2014) at this link.
https://www.solaguild.com/mobile/forum/viewthread/m/6084117/id/13027057-how-i-do-templar-builds

90% miss chance lol:
https://youtu.be/1lgPIYGYq24

Old School Templar PVP setup:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/media/page6c-00000.85857/full

General Old Advice from, Launch:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/media/page2e-00000.85853/full
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/media/page1b-00000.85034/full
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/media/pagecrazya2-00000.85858/full

If anybody's interested to see what searing light looked like you can see me cast the miss chance skill a few times in this video. It had the skill icon that radiant glory has now lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S3GsmbPQC8&list=PL6oDxfN7Igi_zE2kU1fmnZh-6DqfAdblb&index=21

I miss when templars were the best shield stackers, lmao.

MaTaHgA wrote: »

Tonight I tried heavy axiom+spinner+bloodspawn in no-cp, it was great. Good damage and survivability. But I think clever alchemist is better for cyrodiil than axiom.

I think so too ,clever buffs everything instead of only class skills, and 15 seconds is actually quite a bit of time in PvP. You can potentially kill multiple players in that amount of time with the burst.

Rhaegar75 · August 2019

On the matter of monster sets and defence..... BS has a 6% proc for 6 seconds.

What about combining 2 sets like Pirate head and LW shoulder: it would provide constant resistance instead of having to rely on a proc set.
Obviously I’d be missing the extra ultimate BS has to offer.

I’m sure some of you must have tried this approach before: any good?

technohic · August 2019

Well; I was playing around with swapping Fortified brass with shacklebreaker just straight up and I gain some slight recovery and weapon damage. The skill calculator shows a 1500+ boost in effective spell power. But I try it out, and that amounts to 300 more damage per jab and 500 more heal on HTD. Im not sure its worth it.

Kartalin · August 2019

Synozeer wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

With regards to the new meta I've resorted to stay offensive: it seems that even when I build defense I lose damage and what I gain is still not enough to keep me alive...a stall at best!

I've been a 'scoria man' for a while but I'm thinking about possibly switching set: any suggestions apart from BS?

Others might not agree but Lord Warden is a pretty good set especially if running in a smaller group and stacking towers/chokes.

I think it would only benefit if more than a couple ppl ran it and it stacked other wise 1 chudan 1 pirate is basicly the same thing but 100% uptime on the resists

LW is basically 100%, and it gives slightly more resists than two mix matched sets

The only thing bad about Lord Warden is that the effect is stationary, so if you're kiting or on the move you'll lose the proc'ed bonus. But I guess that's the price for being able to affect everyone in an area vs. one person.

Same issue with Bogdan too but it’s one of the go-to monster sets for healers in organized groups. That’s what I use in our 12 person guild groups, you get a couple healers running it and the fact it’s stationary isn’t as big of an issue.

EtTuBrutus · August 2019

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

On the matter of monster sets and defence..... BS has a 6% proc for 6 seconds.

What about combining 2 sets like Pirate head and LW shoulder: it would provide constant resistance instead of having to rely on a proc set.
Obviously I’d be missing the extra ultimate BS has to offer.

I’m sure some of you must have tried this approach before: any good?

I mean its good, but certainly not better than blood spawn. 129 stam regen and ultimate gain is more than you're going it credit for. It's also more resistance than stacking 2 mismatched resistance sets.

Inb4 "100% maintenance free resistance"

EtTuBrutus · August 2019

Lol ran into some new magplars today. Hahahaha ez AP

grannas211 · August 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

On the matter of monster sets and defence..... BS has a 6% proc for 6 seconds.

What about combining 2 sets like Pirate head and LW shoulder: it would provide constant resistance instead of having to rely on a proc set.
Obviously I’d be missing the extra ultimate BS has to offer.

I’m sure some of you must have tried this approach before: any good?

I mean its good, but certainly not better than blood spawn. 129 stam regen and ultimate gain is more than you're going it credit for. It's also more resistance than stacking 2 mismatched resistance sets.

Inb4 "100% maintenance free resistance"

Bloodspawn feels like crescent sweep on cooldown

Syiccal · August 2019

grannas211 wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

On the matter of monster sets and defence..... BS has a 6% proc for 6 seconds.

What about combining 2 sets like Pirate head and LW shoulder: it would provide constant resistance instead of having to rely on a proc set.
Obviously I’d be missing the extra ultimate BS has to offer.

I’m sure some of you must have tried this approach before: any good?

I mean its good, but certainly not better than blood spawn. 129 stam regen and ultimate gain is more than you're going it credit for. It's also more resistance than stacking 2 mismatched resistance sets.

Inb4 "100% maintenance free resistance"

Bloodspawn feels like crescent sweep on cooldown

I mean at 72 ult with vamps ban, purifying light and light attacks it is any way

Hexquisite · August 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

On the matter of monster sets and defence..... BS has a 6% proc for 6 seconds.

What about combining 2 sets like Pirate head and LW shoulder: it would provide constant resistance instead of having to rely on a proc set.
Obviously I’d be missing the extra ultimate BS has to offer.

I’m sure some of you must have tried this approach before: any good?

I mean its good, but certainly not better than blood spawn. 129 stam regen and ultimate gain is more than you're going it credit for. It's also more resistance than stacking 2 mismatched resistance sets.

Inb4 "100% maintenance free resistance"

I wore BS last night, 129 Stam reocovery might not seem like a lot, but for me it helps a lot. Also, BS procs for me constantly, as soon as it is off cool down. But really, the reason why I have worn it since it came out is the ultimate regen combined with my skills I can have Nova up pretty quick, and of course Crescent is almost instant.

The good thing about our broken servers, was so many people crashed and never came back, so I got to play in a less zergy/laggy enviornment, and see what I really like this patch. Oh yeah Nightblades dislike Shadowrend..but I porbably stick with BS in most situations. Cyrodil's Light/Spinners/BS is my fave set up for now.

VirtualElizabeth · August 2019

technohic wrote: »

Well; I was playing around with swapping Fortified brass with shacklebreaker just straight up and I gain some slight recovery and weapon damage. The skill calculator shows a 1500+ boost in effective spell power. But I try it out, and that amounts to 300 more damage per jab and 500 more heal on HTD. Im not sure its worth it.

@technohic Don't you mainly play Stamplar? I don't play Stamplar a whole lot but it's still my preferred Stam class. The number gain is not that overwhelming but one question what do you lose out on in replacing Shackle? My first thought is recovery - but you stated you had a gain in recovery. So it must be the mag/stam. I am still a bit stat/number challenged in terms of the overall gain in focusing on more mag/stam vs spell/weapon damage. Thanks!

technohic · August 2019

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Well; I was playing around with swapping Fortified brass with shacklebreaker just straight up and I gain some slight recovery and weapon damage. The skill calculator shows a 1500+ boost in effective spell power. But I try it out, and that amounts to 300 more damage per jab and 500 more heal on HTD. Im not sure its worth it.

@technohic Don't you mainly play Stamplar? I don't play Stamplar a whole lot but it's still my preferred Stam class. The number gain is not that overwhelming but one question what do you lose out on in replacing Shackle? My first thought is recovery - but you stated you had a gain in recovery. So it must be the mag/stam. I am still a bit stat/number challenged in terms of the overall gain in focusing on more mag/stam vs spell/weapon damage. Thanks!

I swap back and forth. Been favoring magplar this patch.

I went shacklebreaker from fortified brass as its damage numbers compare to other sets was just slightly below but figured I could use the stam to make up some lost defense, but it might be more beneficial to go all out Julianos or, probably the better move is go clever alchemist 5 heavy with spinners and look for your burst window. CA gives substantial damage above the sustain-ish sets the other damage sets dont, albeit with a catch in uptime

Either stam or nag, you can go CA or fortifird with sprig or spinners respectively. Magicka has better resource management tools though

VirtualElizabeth · August 2019

Thanks @technohic !

No_Division · August 2019

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

EtTuBrutus · August 2019

No_Division wrote: »

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

What's it hiting for

technohic · August 2019

No_Division wrote: »

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

Using it on mag? Was loving it in stam but I dont think jabs benefits now from it? Thought it was no longer direct damage

No_Division · August 2019

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

Using it on mag? Was loving it in stam but I dont think jabs benefits now from it? Thought it was no longer direct damage

burning light would count and as does blazing shield

technohic · August 2019

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

Using it on mag? Was loving it in stam but I dont think jabs benefits now from it? Thought it was no longer direct damage

burning light would count and as does blazing shield

Was just looking at it. Even without that, gaining extra resists and it shows as about 40% more than crescents tooltip, but crescent gets 60% bonus on those in your path, but then you realize that it ignores armor. People are mitigating more than 20% on even the squishiest builds.

Akinos · August 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

What's it hiting for

I cracked somebody over the head in BG's for 11k. In CP PvP it can do around the same.

No_Division · August 2019

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

i went 2h this patch. really strong ult; better than cresent lol.

Using it on mag? Was loving it in stam but I dont think jabs benefits now from it? Thought it was no longer direct damage

burning light would count and as does blazing shield

Was just looking at it. Even without that, gaining extra resists and it shows as about 40% more than crescents tooltip, but crescent gets 60% bonus on those in your path, but then you realize that it ignores armor. People are mitigating more than 20% on even the squishiest builds.

My sweeps was hitting like a truck when I cast it. but I figured it was for single target pressure. mine hits for 19k which is slightly less than tooltip cresent, but is unresisted so it equals out. I can also cast reflective light, blazing shield, toppling into jabs which makes the first three huge pressure I can apply across multiple targets.

Going to see if solar barrage counts and prox det; which means I can replace ele drain if I have the sustain.

No_Division · August 2019

This is what im testing right now:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=30294

makes it annoying in 1v2s lol.

Did quick math and 18k onsalught would be 1200 more dmg than cresent with 60% mod. Since im already getting burning light via sweeps, i ignored it in the outcome. therefore I value the 18k penetraion for 13s across all targets.