Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Random Guy: ALCAST is the Sorc rep!
And because everything on the internet is true, this is now a fact.
I usually do not reply on the forum because no matter what you say, people will shout at you anyway. But for the sake of god, @marius_buys seems to be having a hard time to live with the changes ZOS made and before his mother is going to call me, I will try to explain.
Yes we gave feedback to ZOS and if people would follow my social media, they would know I am not at all pleased how things stand with most classes in PvE (I usually give PvE feedback).
We give FEEDBACK (and yes, like I mentioned I am not happy) and that is it, ZOS is allowed to ignore the feedback 100%. ZOS is in charge of the changes, not the reps.
why should i join YOUR social media for information YOU as a rep should be putting here?
but thanks for gracing us with your visit look forward to hearing from you in another 10mths or so
Are you the authority on what class reps should do?
nope just highlighting what they are not doing
In the context of what you think they should be doing, which you’ve acknowledged isn’t an expectation you have authority to set.
Zeni has made a pot of posts on the role of class reps. Including specifying that while they specialize in some areas, none of the, represent a specific class. Nowhere did zeni set the expectation that class reps interact with us in the forums (hell zeni hasn’t even set the expectation that their employees interact with the community on their forums, of course they don’t expect it from their volunteers). People are inventing class reps’ responsibilities hem getting upset that the reps aren’t meeting them, you included.
marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Random Guy: ALCAST is the Sorc rep!
And because everything on the internet is true, this is now a fact.
I usually do not reply on the forum because no matter what you say, people will shout at you anyway. But for the sake of god, @marius_buys seems to be having a hard time to live with the changes ZOS made and before his mother is going to call me, I will try to explain.
Yes we gave feedback to ZOS and if people would follow my social media, they would know I am not at all pleased how things stand with most classes in PvE (I usually give PvE feedback).
We give FEEDBACK (and yes, like I mentioned I am not happy) and that is it, ZOS is allowed to ignore the feedback 100%. ZOS is in charge of the changes, not the reps.
why should i join YOUR social media for information YOU as a rep should be putting here?
but thanks for gracing us with your visit look forward to hearing from you in another 10mths or so
Are you the authority on what class reps should do?
nope just highlighting what they are not doing
You should tell him on his Discord.
Is that the official forum? Nope
marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Random Guy: ALCAST is the Sorc rep!
And because everything on the internet is true, this is now a fact.
I usually do not reply on the forum because no matter what you say, people will shout at you anyway. But for the sake of god, @marius_buys seems to be having a hard time to live with the changes ZOS made and before his mother is going to call me, I will try to explain.
Yes we gave feedback to ZOS and if people would follow my social media, they would know I am not at all pleased how things stand with most classes in PvE (I usually give PvE feedback).
We give FEEDBACK (and yes, like I mentioned I am not happy) and that is it, ZOS is allowed to ignore the feedback 100%. ZOS is in charge of the changes, not the reps.
why should i join YOUR social media for information YOU as a rep should be putting here?
but thanks for gracing us with your visit look forward to hearing from you in another 10mths or so
Are you the authority on what class reps should do?
nope just highlighting what they are not doing
You should tell him on his Discord.
Is that the official forum? Nope
We're actually having a lovely conversation over there right now, feel free to join!
RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
RebornRequiem wrote: »Guys stop criticising the people, who do free work for this game. They all have their own way to do it and some get their feedback from much more reliable sources than then forum.
Alcast as the role model of end game raiding surely does not need the feedback regarding PvE from the forum, when he is in contact with the best of the best raiders of the game. Same goes for people representing the classes in PvP, they have their „endgame“ guilds ready for feedback. They got much more valuable feedback from guilds like legend NA and EU or Aether than from the forum, where even nobodies and people with almost no knowledge can write.
They all got much more valuable resources ready then the few „official“ threads here on the forum. Dont worry, they will do the job theor own way and with the amount of effort they see fit. And this is probably the best for the program.
RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
Alienoutlaw wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
they dont mind getting flown out to the states care of ZOS found the time for that didnt they
All the money spent on Mages Guild skill-lines comes to me why would I raise an objection? /s
Here is the updated list of class reps found under the Combat sub forum @Alienoutlaw
Alcast
Masel
GandTheImpaler
Quantum
FearTurbo
RebornZombie
Glorious
Cab_Life
Glorious
marius_buys wrote: »I cannot for the life of me understand the nerfs to magsorc other than a move to move major sorcery, the magsorcs's main class buff, to the mages guild skill tree so players would want to buy it?
I mean who is our class rep and did he/she just let this uber nerf. slide?
Did he/she not raise an objection even once???
I usually read both the forums and discord. I generally find that the people on Discord generally are more interested in having a dialogue and providing feedback, rather than just come to complain about their class (see: this thread). Either way, I collect feedback by talking/lurking and then provide it. What comes of it isn't my job, as several other reps have answered here.
Also, I welcomed anyone to PM me either here or on Discord (PM me for Disc ID) to provide me their thoughts and feedback on any content, so I could then discuss and provide to the devs. Haven't been reached out to except a few individuals so far, but that's fine as I (and the other reps) have been collecting feedback more naturally here and elsewhere.All the money spent on Mages Guild skill-lines comes to me why would I raise an objection? /s
Here is the updated list of class reps found under the Combat sub forum @Alienoutlaw
Alcast
Masel
GandTheImpaler
Quantum
FearTurbo
RebornZombie
Glorious
Cab_Life
Glorious
Oh I got listed TWICE
Cheezits94 wrote: »I get that you guys want the Class Reps to openly post on the forums about what they are doing, what they are talking about with ZOS, but..
ZOS made the Reps sign an NDA agreement, so they can freely discuss upcoming content and changes with them without having to worry. The Reps cannot speak about the Rep Programme and what they are doing there.
So what the Reps would be able to post here is "Personally I don't like X. I provided feedback." And that's about it. And that's basically what Alcast did in his videos and in his post in this very topic.
The last rep who posted upcoming, unreleased patchnotes on a discord got "introduced to ZOS' friends in the legal department", so that's something I wouldn't risk.
marius_buys wrote: »I usually read both the forums and discord. I generally find that the people on Discord generally are more interested in having a dialogue and providing feedback, rather than just come to complain about their class (see: this thread). Either way, I collect feedback by talking/lurking and then provide it. What comes of it isn't my job, as several other reps have answered here.
Also, I welcomed anyone to PM me either here or on Discord (PM me for Disc ID) to provide me their thoughts and feedback on any content, so I could then discuss and provide to the devs. Haven't been reached out to except a few individuals so far, but that's fine as I (and the other reps) have been collecting feedback more naturally here and elsewhere.All the money spent on Mages Guild skill-lines comes to me why would I raise an objection? /s
Here is the updated list of class reps found under the Combat sub forum @Alienoutlaw
Alcast
Masel
GandTheImpaler
Quantum
FearTurbo
RebornZombie
Glorious
Cab_Life
Glorious
Oh I got listed TWICE
Because your'e "Glorious"
SweepsAllClowns wrote: »Cheezits94 wrote: »I get that you guys want the Class Reps to openly post on the forums about what they are doing, what they are talking about with ZOS, but..
ZOS made the Reps sign an NDA agreement, so they can freely discuss upcoming content and changes with them without having to worry. The Reps cannot speak about the Rep Programme and what they are doing there.
So what the Reps would be able to post here is "Personally I don't like X. I provided feedback." And that's about it. And that's basically what Alcast did in his videos and in his post in this very topic.
The last rep who posted upcoming, unreleased patchnotes on a discord got "introduced to ZOS' friends in the legal department", so that's something I wouldn't risk.
In other words the representatives would probably be much more active on the ESO forum and share their own opinions of the game without this shady program.
Cheezits94 wrote: »SweepsAllClowns wrote: »Cheezits94 wrote: »I get that you guys want the Class Reps to openly post on the forums about what they are doing, what they are talking about with ZOS, but..
ZOS made the Reps sign an NDA agreement, so they can freely discuss upcoming content and changes with them without having to worry. The Reps cannot speak about the Rep Programme and what they are doing there.
So what the Reps would be able to post here is "Personally I don't like X. I provided feedback." And that's about it. And that's basically what Alcast did in his videos and in his post in this very topic.
The last rep who posted upcoming, unreleased patchnotes on a discord got "introduced to ZOS' friends in the legal department", so that's something I wouldn't risk.
In other words the representatives would probably be much more active on the ESO forum and share their own opinions of the game without this shady program.
Probably - but without knowing anything about upcoming plans and changes, just guessing in the dark like the rest of us.
marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
YES, ZOS EITHER LISTEN TO THEM OR STOP THE CHARADE!
Cheezits94 wrote: »Probably - but without knowing anything about upcoming plans and changes, just guessing in the dark like the rest of us.
Alienoutlaw wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »Guys stop criticising the people, who do free work for this game. They all have their own way to do it and some get their feedback from much more reliable sources than then forum.
Alcast as the role model of end game raiding surely does not need the feedback regarding PvE from the forum, when he is in contact with the best of the best raiders of the game. Same goes for people representing the classes in PvP, they have their „endgame“ guilds ready for feedback. They got much more valuable feedback from guilds like legend NA and EU or Aether than from the forum, where even nobodies and people with almost no knowledge can write.
They all got much more valuable resources ready then the few „official“ threads here on the forum. Dont worry, they will do the job theor own way and with the amount of effort they see fit. And this is probably the best for the program.
this is what is wrong with the whole thing well done for that insight so the voice of the few at the top end 1% determine how the "nobodies and people with almost no knowledge" that make up 99% of the paying player base get to play the game!
thanks for clearing that up
marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
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Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
YES, ZOS EITHER LISTEN TO THEM OR STOP THE CHARADE!
We had an impact on changes sometimes, sometimes we didnt. We prevented some bad things, some they implemented regardless. After all, you dont know how stuff would look like if we hadnt gathered there. You dont know how much we talk to the devs, you dont know what we do when we arent pleased with the changes they present to us before they get implemented. You dont know anything, and since you cannot know anything, how about you stop shouting nonsense in here in all caps, do you really think that's the way to change anything?
marius_buys wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
YES, ZOS EITHER LISTEN TO THEM OR STOP THE CHARADE!
We had an impact on changes sometimes, sometimes we didnt. We prevented some bad things, some they implemented regardless. After all, you dont know how stuff would look like if we hadnt gathered there. You dont know how much we talk to the devs, you dont know what we do when we arent pleased with the changes they present to us before they get implemented. You dont know anything, and since you cannot know anything, how about you stop shouting nonsense in here in all caps, do you really think that's the way to change anything?
Erm yes, its a start. By silence and quintessence I imply acceptance, I do not.
So ipso facto what you're saying is the Magsorc nerf was fought against?
RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
YES, ZOS EITHER LISTEN TO THEM OR STOP THE CHARADE!
We had an impact on changes sometimes, sometimes we didnt. We prevented some bad things, some they implemented regardless. After all, you dont know how stuff would look like if we hadnt gathered there. You dont know how much we talk to the devs, you dont know what we do when we arent pleased with the changes they present to us before they get implemented. You dont know anything, and since you cannot know anything, how about you stop shouting nonsense in here in all caps, do you really think that's the way to change anything?
Erm yes, its a start. By silence and quintessence I imply acceptance, I do not.
So ipso facto what you're saying is the Magsorc nerf was fought against?
Why should they fight against a reasonable nerf of a broken class?
marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
YES, ZOS EITHER LISTEN TO THEM OR STOP THE CHARADE!
We had an impact on changes sometimes, sometimes we didnt. We prevented some bad things, some they implemented regardless. After all, you dont know how stuff would look like if we hadnt gathered there. You dont know how much we talk to the devs, you dont know what we do when we arent pleased with the changes they present to us before they get implemented. You dont know anything, and since you cannot know anything, how about you stop shouting nonsense in here in all caps, do you really think that's the way to change anything?
Erm yes, its a start. By silence and quintessence I imply acceptance, I do not.
So ipso facto what you're saying is the Magsorc nerf was fought against?
Why should they fight against a reasonable nerf of a broken class?
Sigh Stam sorcs were not nerfed, at least get the facts straight.
marius_buys wrote: »I cannot for the life of me understand the nerfs to magsorc other than a move to move major sorcery, the magsorcs's main class buff, to the mages guild skill tree so players would want to buy it?
I mean who is our class rep and did he/she just let this uber nerf. slide?
Did he/she not raise an objection even once???
Darkenarlol wrote: »what nerfs?
my shields are bigger and dps is higher
btw entropy is best mag ST dot so you gonna slot it anyway
critical surge heals for bigger numbers so it is a buff again
RebornRequiem wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »Guys stop criticising the people, who do free work for this game. They all have their own way to do it and some get their feedback from much more reliable sources than then forum.
Alcast as the role model of end game raiding surely does not need the feedback regarding PvE from the forum, when he is in contact with the best of the best raiders of the game. Same goes for people representing the classes in PvP, they have their „endgame“ guilds ready for feedback. They got much more valuable feedback from guilds like legend NA and EU or Aether than from the forum, where even nobodies and people with almost no knowledge can write.
They all got much more valuable resources ready then the few „official“ threads here on the forum. Dont worry, they will do the job theor own way and with the amount of effort they see fit. And this is probably the best for the program.
this is what is wrong with the whole thing well done for that insight so the voice of the few at the top end 1% determine how the "nobodies and people with almost no knowledge" that make up 99% of the paying player base get to play the game!
thanks for clearing that up
Sry your statement is completely wrong. The 1% on top doesnt decide how the others 99% have to play. They discuss about how classes perform in the top 1%, so how classes perform within their full potential. I think it is reasonable to balance around a class‘ full potential instead of the potential a new player get from the class.
Basically the 1% on top talks with the devs about the meta. The other 99% can play as they want, as ZOS said. They may be affected by the changes, but only to a small margin, since they dont get the full potential of the class anyway.
But hey, I guess we need to listen to players, who managed to level two chars to level 10 and the compare them to each other.
„I tried stamsorc and magplar up to level 10 and could not do normal quests on the sorc, meanwhile on magplar there were no issues up to the point trying to solo a dolmen or worldboss.“
marius_buys wrote: »RebornRequiem wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »@Alcast where has our clas rep been?
He only comes on the forums to have a good laugh. No one can take most of the forums seriously when it comes to balance or solutions because players always have hidden agendas.
he is a class rep he may find it funny behind his twitch stream and yuotube fame some of us actually believed the BS about class reps and the fact they spoke for us HE has proven that its ALL a SHAM
They do relay your feedback, but that doesn't make them your personal megaphone. If you thought the entire point of the class rep program was to pass leadership for game development over to the forums, I want you to look at @Knowledge's threads very closely, and see if you can grasp why that would be a catastrophically bad idea.
thats not my point, the point is NOBODY from the class rep team has posted on the Sorc thread since Nov 2018 how the F is that in anyway being in "touch" with the community they are ment to represent???????????????
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that every time a class rep popped up on the boards and asked for feedback, it turned into twenty different tantrums all competing with each other to see who can cry the loudest.
you joking right? so no class rep convo for sorcs since before NOV 2018+ his justified by that comment?? you dreaming dude and so is everyone that follows blindly behind this guy, he cares more about is youtube channel than he does about this forum or the ppl in it so long as ZOS think he is cool and he tows the party line all good huh? bleet bleet little sheep..........jog on
edited for spelling
Dude, I've been behind you this entire fiasco, and I'm unhappy enough that I canceled and let ZoS know my displeasure, but this isn't cool man. Even if Alcast were somehow to blame (and I don't see that he is anything but unhappy with what's happened) this doesn't help us convince people we're right, it convinces them we're unreasonable. I want change as much as you do, but this isn't the way to get it.
not blaming Alcast, personally was told earlier in this thread he was our class rep, i just want to know why we have had no interaction from ANY class rep for almost a year, i just want someone to answer that simple question
You know, we cannot answer all threads on these forums. It is enough work to read it, and we all have a life that is not tied to eso.
You volunteered for this as class rep, did you think it was a nebulous honorary position that involved a couple of meetings with ZOS and a thumbsuck 2 liner about the two "pain" points once a month?
You are representing hundreds of thousands of players from the character class you're supposed to represent. This involves a structured and exhaustive communication process with players to accurately determine those very pain points and their solutions, not a quick forum read to get something down before the class rep meeting. Just because you do a do a job for free does not give you the right to do it without due dilligence.
Wether ZOS acts on your input or not at least YOU must be sure that you did your absolute best before a fiasco like Update 23 can you HONESTLY say that nothing more could have been done to liase with your community pre-update?
Have to disagree with you on that. As said, they are doing this stuff for free and they realized, that some of them did too much work for pretty much zero effect. Why should they spend hours on a daily base, if they talk a few hours with the devs each month? In the end, maybe the devs did not even ask for that feedback they gathered. Also they gathered so much feedback during the last year and so much stuff and pain points are still unresolved. So why should they spend hours to collect same feedback again?
Then, if they can't affect anything, can't do anything, can't do something that players actually feel is for real... just end this farce.
YES, ZOS EITHER LISTEN TO THEM OR STOP THE CHARADE!
We had an impact on changes sometimes, sometimes we didnt. We prevented some bad things, some they implemented regardless. After all, you dont know how stuff would look like if we hadnt gathered there. You dont know how much we talk to the devs, you dont know what we do when we arent pleased with the changes they present to us before they get implemented. You dont know anything, and since you cannot know anything, how about you stop shouting nonsense in here in all caps, do you really think that's the way to change anything?