I have no trouble revealing most NBs since I currently only play StamDK (Noxious Breath) and StamSorc (Huricane, Cleave, Streak). Though I imagine they might be annoying to fight on classes without such cheap AoEs.
If they do add a stacking cost to Cloak in the future, I think it shouldn't be as severe as Streak or Roll Dodge -- somewhere around a 10% increase per cast perhaps. But even still, if you have a single AoE on your bar, you can easily force an NB to fight you without cloaking (unless they know how to use Shade).
Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Cloak > shield. It's not even close. Damage is a hard counter to shield essentially by your logic plus oblivion damage. To where cloak supresses dot damage and makes you un targetable for the duration.
InvictusApollo wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Cloak > shield. It's not even close. Damage is a hard counter to shield essentially by your logic plus oblivion damage. To where cloak supresses dot damage and makes you un targetable for the duration.
Can you do damage while in cloak?
Can your damage shield be completely denied by a single ability or a potion?
Do you get stunned and get extra damage when your shield gets negated by some ability?
Can you use cloak to gain extra health for the next few seconds after you used LOS to stack your cloaks?
Can you just learn how to play a game instead of calling for nerfs of anything that you find challenging?
InvictusApollo wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Cloak > shield. It's not even close. Damage is a hard counter to shield essentially by your logic plus oblivion damage. To where cloak supresses dot damage and makes you un targetable for the duration.
Can you do damage while in cloak?
Can your damage shield be completely denied by a single ability or a potion?
Do you get stunned and get extra damage when your shield gets negated by some ability?
Can you use cloak to gain extra health for the next few seconds after you used LOS to stack your cloaks?
Can you just learn how to play a game instead of calling for nerfs of anything that you find challenging?
Can you shield and be completely untargetable while vigor and other hots roll bring you back to full health?
Can you shield and cause players to not know which direction you are moving in?
Can you shield and gain a guranteed critical strike on your next attack?
Can you stop crutching on over powered skills and learn to play the game when you are punished for making mistakes?
InvictusApollo wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Cloak > shield. It's not even close. Damage is a hard counter to shield essentially by your logic plus oblivion damage. To where cloak supresses dot damage and makes you un targetable for the duration.
Can you do damage while in cloak?
Can your damage shield be completely denied by a single ability or a potion?
Do you get stunned and get extra damage when your shield gets negated by some ability?
Can you use cloak to gain extra health for the next few seconds after you used LOS to stack your cloaks?
Can you just learn how to play a game instead of calling for nerfs of anything that you find challenging?
Royalthought wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Cloak > shield. It's not even close. Damage is a hard counter to shield essentially by your logic plus oblivion damage. To where cloak supresses dot damage and makes you un targetable for the duration.
Can you do damage while in cloak?
Can your damage shield be completely denied by a single ability or a potion?
Do you get stunned and get extra damage when your shield gets negated by some ability?
Can you use cloak to gain extra health for the next few seconds after you used LOS to stack your cloaks?
Can you just learn how to play a game instead of calling for nerfs of anything that you find challenging?
Can you shield and be completely untargetable while vigor and other hots roll bring you back to full health?
Can you shield and cause players to not know which direction you are moving in?
Can you shield and gain a guranteed critical strike on your next attack?
Can you stop crutching on over powered skills and learn to play the game when you are punished for making mistakes?
Other than crit, yes. Invis potions allow you to do those things.
Royalthought wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Cloak > shield. It's not even close. Damage is a hard counter to shield essentially by your logic plus oblivion damage. To where cloak supresses dot damage and makes you un targetable for the duration.
Can you do damage while in cloak?
Can your damage shield be completely denied by a single ability or a potion?
Do you get stunned and get extra damage when your shield gets negated by some ability?
Can you use cloak to gain extra health for the next few seconds after you used LOS to stack your cloaks?
Can you just learn how to play a game instead of calling for nerfs of anything that you find challenging?
Can you shield and be completely untargetable while vigor and other hots roll bring you back to full health?
Can you shield and cause players to not know which direction you are moving in?
Can you shield and gain a guranteed critical strike on your next attack?
Can you stop crutching on over powered skills and learn to play the game when you are punished for making mistakes?
Other than crit, yes. Invis potions allow you to do those things.
On 45 sec base CD. So if you are suggesting putting shadowy disguise on a 45 sec CD you are pushing for a harder nerf than fatigue mechanic bud.
Why is there a ramping increase cost "fatigue" mechanic on streak but not on cloak? At least you can still use ranged abilities on sorcs when they streak away, however, when a NB cloaks they are completely un-targetable. Does not make sense to me, people complain about how powerful cloak is all the time, and forces people to use expensive reveal potions in PvP. Why no add fatigue to cloak as it exists on roll dodge and streak currently.
I say introduce a cool down for cloak, or get rid of it for pvp. It's a terribly unbalanced skill even with all the counters
Infact it's probably more unbalanced in pve because those counters don't exist and huge amounts of content can be skipped.
F it. Just get rid of it all together and the nightblade unique skill can be shade
brandonv516 wrote: »I'll take fatigue any day when nothing pulls me out of Cloak.
Tell me how to easily prevent cloak without wasting a potion or skill slot just to counter one skill on one class, something that isn't needed to be done for any other class in the game.
Tell me how to easily prevent cloak without wasting a potion or skill slot just to counter one skill on one class, something that isn't needed to be done for any other class in the game.
Tell me how to easily prevent cloak without wasting a potion or skill slot just to counter one skill on one class, something that isn't needed to be done for any other class in the game.
stand next to a cloaked person, it reveals them immediately.
also:
cast hurricane and get on your mount and ride around, they cant escape and are seen and pulled out of stealth immediately.
also:
cast area of effect abilities all around, it pulls us out of stealth
also:
cast light attack all around constantly it pulls our out of stealth.
the list goes on and on and on and on and on ......
cloak and stealth cannot be maintained.
also try standing next to any guards, we cant maintain cloak near guards ...
Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
they should remove the cost of both streak and invisibility
defenses should not have high costs.
i see nothing wrong with a sorc being allowed to streak as escape, just remove the stun and damage from it
same with cloak, it should be used as defensive only.