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Streak fatigue but no Cloak fatigue?
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
Streak is nothing like Dodge. CLOAK is like dodge. When you dodge or cloak, it makes an unlimited number of attacks miss you. When you streak, everything still hits. This is a totally absurd analogy.
Streak utilizes mobility to escape.
Dodgeroll utilizes mobility to escape.
Cloak has no mobility. When cast it's a damage mitigation tool.
Shield has no mobility. When cast it's is a damage mitigation tool.
Cloak has no mobility..? What is this I don't even...
Cloak lets you move in any direction without being seen.
Streak doesn't let you escape, it lets you reposition. If you already have a lot of distance, that's the only time streak lets you escape, and even then it can be countered.
Cloak offers significantly more mobility benefits than streak.
How about this. I play sorc and you play nb. I streak away and you cloak to try and catch me
Ok, that's easy, I'll cloak and then spam teleport strike.
Mobility utilities operate on multiple dimensions. Just because one is not equivalent to the other does not make it therefore not mobility.
Please tell me you're on pcna... I love the just spam line
And in terms of mobility you're just wrong dude. If you want to compare any nb skill to streak it should be image. That's the real nb mobility toolEdited by GhostofDatthaw on August 10, 2019 11:26AM1 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.3 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »EdoKeledus wrote: »It's funny how every nightblade are
offended when the subject is about cloak, doing their best to save their stupid skill but they have all of them asked for wings nerf since day one.
Streak : changed
Wings : changed
Damage Shield : changed
Cloak: has to be changed (fatigue is fine)
stop with the hypocrisy.
What potion counters those abilities?
What guild skill lines have abilities that specifically counter those skills?
Cloak has more counters than any class skill in the game. It has been nerfed, changed, etc.
Nightblades have been nerfed into mediocrity. With all that at your disposal, what class/build do you play? And what do nightblades have to counter it?
You don't need guild skills, or pots to counter streak, dmg shields, and wings which so far make them wwaker than cloak as they don't require special skills or equipment to counter, make them easier to deal with.
Wings, all channel skills and eavy attacks connect to it, melee skills, most stuns, and aoe are all counters to it. Magblade who complained the moat about the skill and main reason it was nerfed had vailed blade which is magicka morph of suprise attack and the refused to use it. Also, they could have used force pulse which is spammalbe range skill not reflected by wings.
Dmg shields are not limited to sorcs, all classes can have atleast 2 dmg shields, and you can counter them dots and burst combos, unless you are a potato glass canon, you will not die before you kill shield stackers as they usually defense all the time and burn their resources faster than you as dmg shields are expensive than most spammalbe and buff skills.
Streak is basically 15m and *** closers are 22m, see my point? Also, any range attack, stuns, dots, aoe, as well as immoblizations are all counters to streak. If someone is using BOL that is even better, you can include melee attacks to the list, due to how BOL works. You need to be very close to bolt generated after teleporting that last for 2 secs, if you move a bit away, you get hit by all attacks, you almost need to stay still near the bolt for it to absorb all range attacks, giving window for people to catch up to you and melee engage you.
Stealth is countered by aoe, detect pots, and special skills solely designed to find cloakers, see the problem? Aoe is not widely used now in dot meta after it was nerfed by 33% for cost and increase and dmg reduction. As for decet pots, when you use them, you waste a pot you might need for resource management, immovable, speed..etc. also, detect portion of potions last around 15 secs giving you around 30 secs cooldown. And last thing is skills like flare which has it's cost increased by 250% because it was cheap and only does one thing which is finding cloaker, skill cost was around 1300 and now 5300. Mages guild as well with small raduis, short time, and only cast cloaker. Whenever you slot these type of skills, you basically waste a skill slot on a skill that only works against nightblade cloak are stealth targets and no other utility or banefit beside inner light major prophecy that is surely needed for stam specs. Not to mention that all of above are expensove to use or acquire, only usefull detect skill is mark and that is nightblade specific skill, give fracture and breach to target and free, so good for both magicka and stam specs.
Cloaker has less counters cosr to use than above skills as well as better defensive and offensive option than most and in current dot meta, dots don't pull you iut of stealth. People before complained that it is the only defensive option for nightblade because the don't have heal, now they do for both magicka and stamina after heals were buffed. No reason for the skill to stay as it is, un it's current state, it's mist powerfull defensive/offensive/utility skill in the game imo. If not penalty, it needs a cost imcrease atleast.0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm3 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
This should have ended the discussion really.4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
This should have ended the discussion really.
But it didn't. Because we aren't that easily deceived by nightblades. Just ask yourself, what happens when you light attack a shield and a cloak? It's dramatically different, isn't it?2 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph
Incap in the past had it's dmg reduced and cost increased and now lost the stun and defile.
Relentless focus lost the 8%dmg and stam regen.
Surprise attack lost major fracture.
Only because most skill did not lost dmg directly dosen't mean nb dmg was left untouched but it's clear to everyone that you have no idea on what you are talking about.
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Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
That's not quite correct.
Cloak is like a combination of shield and streak to NBs. It offers both active mitigation and escape. And this is where the problem lies. The escape / invisibility component is in serious need of some form of limitation. However, foror magblades the mitigation component is too important that the skill could suffer from a fatigue mechanic.2 -
hesobad✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....Ad Victoriam!3 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.2 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.
You can slot one of many counters of streak as well, then no complains of it was penalty free.1 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Why is there a ramping increase cost "fatigue" mechanic on streak but not on cloak? At least you can still use ranged abilities on sorcs when they streak away, however, when a NB cloaks they are completely un-targetable. Does not make sense to me, people complain about how powerful cloak is all the time, and forces people to use expensive reveal potions in PvP. Why no add fatigue to cloak as it exists on roll dodge and streak currently.There are multiple hard counters to cloak and none for streak. That is why one had fatigue and the other does not.
The counters to cloak work very well. Yes, I do come across a skilled NB that uses more than just cloak and is able to escape me but I would expect a challenge from a skilled player.
Edit: I guess OP did not like the way their little poll on the subject started off so they created another thread on the subject. LOL
i guess u both are right.
Cloak definitely need some form of fatique, but with reducing/fixing ways of revealing nightblade from cloak at the same time.
Main stupid hard counters for cloak are:
1. Detection potions doesn't notify that nightblade is visible now. Any sign of who used it, at a what distance it stops working etc. Absolutly lazy, poor, disquisting design.
2. Nightbade's Mark - same garbage - nightblade is marked - he is visible for 3 seconds. But u have no idea without addons or counting seconds in mind when exactly it's revealing component stopped working, because nothing changed visually.Visual effect lasts all the duration of Major Fracture and Breach component...why? it should have 2 states with a big difference between. It's important.
3. When someone used some aoe and Cloak was broken - it need better notification that it happened. Sometimes u have no any idea if that Whirling Blades used 20 meters from u (yes desync is real often issue and never know if it happened) broken your cloak or not (and a problem with no precise visual effect for borders for instant aoe skills area is very annoying here especia)l. "Eye" visual effect doesn't change, u just get direct hits after ... Maybe ii just should be faster to work. We should not rely on addons in such things.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler ?Edited by JusticeSouldier on August 16, 2019 9:18AMall classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.
You can slot one of many counters of streak as well, then no complains of it was penalty free.
Are you even trying?
Streak counters?like aoe,a potion magelight etc stop streak from working and waste your magika?
Streak got softcounter with gapcloser but they are not counter/hardcounter.
Also a sorc can streak and stun the enemy and be out of range.
Cloak got all of the above,literally the same right?
First was on the dmg(and you ignored my post when proved wrong)and now youre trying to say streak got the same counter of cloak?Nice try.
Are you trying to become the next meme of the forum?1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.
You can slot one of many counters of streak as well, then no complains of it was penalty free.
Are you even trying?
Streak counters?like aoe,a potion magelight etc stop streak from working and waste your magika?
Streak got softcounter with gapcloser but they are not counter/hardcounter.
Also a sorc can streak and stun the enemy and be out of range.
Cloak got all of the above,literally the same right?
First was on the dmg(and you ignored my post when proved wrong)and now youre trying to say streak got the same counter of cloak?Nice try.
Are you trying to become the next meme of the forum?
Oh, they don't prevent Cloak activation. They can interrupt the effect afterwards, but you get your forcemiss Cloak. Streaking through an enemy and away is the same as teleporting to your Shade and cloaking away. Don't pretend cloakers just stand still and get hit easily. Well, maybe you do. x3
And gapclosers are a hard counter. They do negate Streak's purpose, opening a gap. Doesn't matter if streaker and gapcloser move during, they'll remain in close range, rendering kiting impossible. And they are very easy to use. No stacking cost like Streak, no cooldown like d-pots. Quite the range, unlike Magelight and AoEs.
And lastly, the damage mitigation of a successful Cloak is potent. Especially in this DoT meta. Streak leaves you vulnerable during the animation. You'll eat every hit aimed at you unmitigated, with a long recovery after the animation. And may god have mercy on you if you're streaking down a slope, landing mid-air and falling afterwards, with a roll on the ground to round your demise up!2 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.
You can slot one of many counters of streak as well, then no complains of it was penalty free.
Are you even trying?
Streak counters?like aoe,a potion magelight etc stop streak from working and waste your magika?
Streak got softcounter with gapcloser but they are not counter/hardcounter.
Also a sorc can streak and stun the enemy and be out of range.
Cloak got all of the above,literally the same right?
First was on the dmg(and you ignored my post when proved wrong)and now youre trying to say streak got the same counter of cloak?Nice try.
Are you trying to become the next meme of the forum?
I'm just tired of repeating myself over and over. Go back 1 or 2 pages on thus thread and see my responses and justifications.0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.
You can slot one of many counters of streak as well, then no complains of it was penalty free.
Are you even trying?
Streak counters?like aoe,a potion magelight etc stop streak from working and waste your magika?
Streak got softcounter with gapcloser but they are not counter/hardcounter.
Also a sorc can streak and stun the enemy and be out of range.
Cloak got all of the above,literally the same right?
First was on the dmg(and you ignored my post when proved wrong)and now youre trying to say streak got the same counter of cloak?Nice try.
Are you trying to become the next meme of the forum?
Oh, they don't prevent Cloak activation. They can interrupt the effect afterwards, but you get your forcemiss Cloak. Streaking through an enemy and away is the same as teleporting to your Shade and cloaking away. Don't pretend cloakers just stand still and get hit easily. Well, maybe you do. x3
And gapclosers are a hard counter. They do negate Streak's purpose, opening a gap. Doesn't matter if streaker and gapcloser move during, they'll remain in close range, rendering kiting impossible. And they are very easy to use. No stacking cost like Streak, no cooldown like d-pots. Quite the range, unlike Magelight and AoEs.
And lastly, the damage mitigation of a successful Cloak is potent. Especially in this DoT meta. Streak leaves you vulnerable during the animation. You'll eat every hit aimed at you unmitigated, with a long recovery after the animation. And may god have mercy on you if you're streaking down a slope, landing mid-air and falling afterwards, with a roll on the ground to round your demise up!
Ah ye shade+cloak vs streak then it become roll dodge+cloak+shade+los vs streak.
If you think gapcloser are hard counter you don't know what hard counter mean.
And also 1 counter vs many totally the same /facepalm sorc logic strike again.
Magelight etc stop cloak from casting and any aoe break cloak instantly is almost like it does not work in some situation must be shocking for you.
Ye and shade leave you vulnerable in the animation aswell so?
In this dot meta with the less healing than before and 5% more dmg taken nb flop faster than before. Cloak is good if not countered but not everyone play like a potato,if cloak is negated it does nothing but maybe for someone like you reveal nb must be a challenge.
As i (and others too)said give cloak a penality and make magelight expert hunter revealing flare the skill that counter and break cloak.deal?
@universal_wrath like me and many others yet you ignore every response abd keep spread miss infornation and youre the one who said nb dmg was not nerfed when it is but yeah tired of be proved wrong everytime i guess.Edited by killingspreeb16_ESO on August 16, 2019 11:47AM1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph
Mercy lost it's offensive buff, path had it's damage removed, funnel lost 1/2 it's damage...0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
That's not quite correct.
Cloak is like a combination of shield and streak to NBs. It offers both active mitigation and escape. And this is where the problem lies. The escape / invisibility component is in serious need of some form of limitation. However, foror magblades the mitigation component is too important that the skill could suffer from a fatigue mechanic.
100% False. Cloak has no mobility for escape. Zero. It mitigates damage. It does not remove the nightblade from the area of danger.
Immobilize a nightblade. They can cloak and/or shield to mitigate damage but they will still be stuck. Not escape.Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
Your logic:
"If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything?"
Not mine.
Your assertion:
the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them
Not mine.
If you think nb is the "best class" you have much to learn.
This thread is dead to me. So much misinformation being posted. Responding to it just gives it life.1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph
Mercy lost it's offensive buff, path had it's damage removed, funnel lost 1/2 it's damage...
I did say that in elsywre, did not mention things before elsywre, but if you like too, I can bring up the previous nerfs for dmg for all classes.0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The "counter" to Streak is simple:
YOU KILL THE SORC. Killing Sorcs is easy because you can SEE us. I do it all the time. Killing players I can't see? Not so easy.
Forumblades never run out of justifications for their broken and cowardly play style!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph
Mercy lost it's offensive buff, path had it's damage removed, funnel lost 1/2 it's damage...
I did say that in elsywre, did not mention things before elsywre, but if you like too, I can bring up the previous nerfs for dmg for all classes.
Sorry I did not mention what patch was, but still funnel has another morpg still does same dmg as well as other morph of path, too bad it had its morph taken tbh. Mercy berserk is a buff, not actual dmg. Numbers of dmg are rather same in elsywre though.0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph
Mercy lost it's offensive buff, path had it's damage removed, funnel lost 1/2 it's damage...
I did say that in elsywre, did not mention things before elsywre, but if you like too, I can bring up the previous nerfs for dmg for all classes.
Sorry I did not mention what patch was, but still funnel has another morpg still does same dmg as well as other morph of path, too bad it had its morph taken tbh. Mercy berserk is a buff, not actual dmg. Numbers of dmg are rather same in elsywre though.
Did... Did........ Did you just quote yourself?1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »This thread is pure gold, sorcs bashing nbs, nbs bashing sorcs.
Not nessecary. All classes in game are asking for the skill to be balanced, not just sorcs. Tbh, I think magsorc are least trouble by the skill than any other class.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Funny how the Nb QQ shifted from "nerf their dmg" to "nerf their survivability". Apparantly Nb is only balanced when it can't kill stuff and when it can't survive.
Nghtblades did not have amy dmg reduced, their main skill pre-scalebreaker were still seem but had some adjustment and removed redunduncy of debuffs or buffs. As for scalesbreaker, nightblade was not the only classes affected by changes, I suggest you go back and read the patch notes against if you think otherwise.
/Facepalm
Facepalm as you like, give me a skill used by NB all the time that has it's dmg reduced beside shade and dot portion ofmagicka ambush morph
Mercy lost it's offensive buff, path had it's damage removed, funnel lost 1/2 it's damage...
I did say that in elsywre, did not mention things before elsywre, but if you like too, I can bring up the previous nerfs for dmg for all classes.
Sorry I did not mention what patch was, but still funnel has another morpg still does same dmg as well as other morph of path, too bad it had its morph taken tbh. Mercy berserk is a buff, not actual dmg. Numbers of dmg are rather same in elsywre though.
Did... Did........ Did you just quote yourself?
Yes I did do that to correct myself.0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Slot a counter. L2P. All but the best NBs are dead the moment you pressure and pop a detect pot when they start to run/cloak. They still spamming cloak wondering wtf. Dead.
But everyone has some trash build that can’t survive even 1 (NERFED) nb combo so they blame it on cloak.
Edited by Insco851 on August 16, 2019 1:07PM1 -
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✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Streak for sorcs > is what dodgeroll is for nightblades.
Shields for sorcs> is what cloak is for nightblades.
Want to know why there's no cost fatigue on shields? Because it's an awful idea.
Same for cloak.
With that logic why is there fatigue for roll dodge and streak than? If roll dodge and/or streak is a primary source of survivability, than why not remove the fatigue for everything? Now is the best time for them to add fatigue to cloak, the NB is again the best class for this new DoT meta because if you can't see your target, you can't DoT them....
But you can. Slot one of the many counters.
You can slot one of many counters of streak as well, then no complains of it was penalty free.
Are you even trying?
Streak counters?like aoe,a potion magelight etc stop streak from working and waste your magika?
Streak got softcounter with gapcloser but they are not counter/hardcounter.
Also a sorc can streak and stun the enemy and be out of range.
Cloak got all of the above,literally the same right?
First was on the dmg(and you ignored my post when proved wrong)and now youre trying to say streak got the same counter of cloak?Nice try.
Are you trying to become the next meme of the forum?
Oh, they don't prevent Cloak activation. They can interrupt the effect afterwards, but you get your forcemiss Cloak. Streaking through an enemy and away is the same as teleporting to your Shade and cloaking away. Don't pretend cloakers just stand still and get hit easily. Well, maybe you do. x3
And gapclosers are a hard counter. They do negate Streak's purpose, opening a gap. Doesn't matter if streaker and gapcloser move during, they'll remain in close range, rendering kiting impossible. And they are very easy to use. No stacking cost like Streak, no cooldown like d-pots. Quite the range, unlike Magelight and AoEs.
And lastly, the damage mitigation of a successful Cloak is potent. Especially in this DoT meta. Streak leaves you vulnerable during the animation. You'll eat every hit aimed at you unmitigated, with a long recovery after the animation. And may god have mercy on you if you're streaking down a slope, landing mid-air and falling afterwards, with a roll on the ground to round your demise up!
Ah ye shade+cloak vs streak then it become roll dodge+cloak+shade+los vs streak.
If you think gapcloser are hard counter you don't know what hard counter mean.
And also 1 counter vs many totally the same /facepalm sorc logic strike again.
Magelight etc stop cloak from casting and any aoe break cloak instantly is almost like it does not work in some situation must be shocking for you.
Ye and shade leave you vulnerable in the animation aswell so?
In this dot meta with the less healing than before and 5% more dmg taken nb flop faster than before. Cloak is good if not countered but not everyone play like a potato,if cloak is negated it does nothing but maybe for someone like you reveal nb must be a challenge.
As i (and others too)said give cloak a penality and make magelight expert hunter revealing flare the skill that counter and break cloak.deal?
@universal_wrath like me and many others yet you ignore every response abd keep spread miss infornation and youre the one who said nb dmg was not nerfed when it is but yeah tired of be proved wrong everytime i guess.
It's not one counter vs many. There are many gapclosers. You only need one, which is quite convenient. Slot AoEs, Magelight and d-pots, you'll be a potato against anyone else.
I explained why gapclosers are a hard counter to gap openers. It's in the words.
Only Magelight prevents Cloak, and it's useless. Much like Flare. Not even counting the SA channel. The AoE has to hit an invisible target in range. Much different from aiming a gapcloser at a visible target with good range.
Shade animation is very fast and doesn't leave you struggling with terrain. It's nowhere near Streak risk.
EVERYONE drops faster, except for Templars. NBs have a fantastic tool to combat DoTs, though. Sorc shields? Not so good. Streak? Doesn't stop any DoT.1 -
NuarBlack✭✭✭✭Funny thing is a cloak fatigue wouldn't hurt good NB really at all just like streak fatigue didn't do much to good sorcs. The only thing fatigue does is prevent abuse of a skill. So fighting a fatigue mechanic tells me you are either bad, or want to be able to abuse the skill rather than having to use it skillfully and decisively.1
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✭Also, sorcs even with increased streak cost... can STILL PERMA STREAK across Cyrodiil.2
