jainiadral wrote: »

Ah, gotcha. Sorry for jumping the gun. I've had a lot of, er, unpleasant exchanges that involved lots of debate over jargon and people actually doing the online equivalent of yelling at me for explaining lines of thinking-- as if I was actually the one making an argument one way or another

How about, "Global Trader System?" Or "Universal Trader System?" Gives it a bit of the 'ole ESO spin

That made me think of a centralized market, but where the current trader NPCs would act as access points to the global/central/universal trader market, retaining a bit of ESO flavor. They are already sprinkled all over Tamriel, even near far-flung wayshrines, so it would keep that feel of seeking a trader in a near by town, and spread players out a bit so they aren't all crowded in one place trying to access the market.

For as much as I hate guild traders, I never felt it was difficult to obtain *anything* in this game. You can make thousands every day from daily crafting writs alone, completing a zone nets you tons of gold just from playing the quests and I just craft all of the legendary stuff I need, myself.

If I want to buy something rather than craft it, there are websites, which let you search all the guild traders and filter items by price, so it's easy to find the best offer and not massively overpay for stuff.

Just from harvesting and refining I get so many legendary materials, I sell them off in zone chat once a week. C.O.D. delivery makes the process quick and painless. I've never been in a trade guild.

I'm not a fan of trade guilds and guild traders, because they're inconvenient, awkward and clunky compared to something like an auction house. With that in mind, an AH wouldn't stop people from rapidly buying up cheap and underpriced stuff to sell it at a higher price, either. It's just how economies work.

It honestly doesn't bother me too much. It's so easy to make gold on here or to simply upgrade your own gear and not rely on trade at all.

This whole thread is nonsense. Even if it weren't, GAH is a red herring and will not help. It would only make price-fixing easier

If the fundamental problem is that a BIS weapon is 55k, then the OP has just not played enough. That's less than one hour of doing writs. The in-game economy has so much deflation pressure that almost nothing retains value. It's all ZOS can do to pump out cosmetics so folks have something to spend on.

This topic is an embarrassment. Just play.

jainiadral wrote: »

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Ah... that standard response from all who are panicked that their own little bubble might be burst if Zos used some common sense and added an Global Auction House.

What advantage do auctions have over straight selling of items? Do you want to turn the item sales market into eBay? Or we'd need to place bids hoping to win items instead of just buying those items?

Most MMO "auction houses" aren't bid-based. They're like a giant guild trader for the entire population for the game. You list your item at the price you want to sell it for and wait for a buyer. If no one purchases it before the listing period is up, the item is usually kicked back to you in the mail along with at least a portion of your listing fees.

Auction house isn't the best name for it, TBH.

This.

The name Auction House does give the impression to many people not used to the system from other MMOs that all items need to be bid for. And not surprisingly this notion must put a lot of players off the idea.

Not so, and therefore a better name would be something more along the lines of Global Market.

I believe there are 195+ vendors in the game at the moment (not counting Cyrodiil). That means 195+ guilds that have traders. Is it really that hard to join one of those to make some money?

Also if some players are buying up something and “price gouging” the general population, I want to know what those items are. This way I can sell it too at slightly lower prices to make some serious gold.

jdamuso wrote: »

The trader re-selling and trade guild price gouging is disgusting. anything and everything worth buying is constantly being bought up by players with billions of gold and being re-sold at unreasonable prices. [snip]

Howabout account binding items sold through traders huh?

Even to obtain a trader you have to compete with this garbage, which is just encouraging the practice...

And before you come back with some snub retort to the point.... empirical evidence: the cheapest purple inferno staff of a mother's sorrow on the market is 55k yet there are well over 260 of this item available on the market right now. Suggesting there is not the demand for the supply. If it was rare enough to be so valuable then okay. but they are clearly its not that rare if there are 260 of it not being sold...


Now the problem is... EVERYTHING is being bought and re-sold..... EVERYTHING that will sell AT ALL. and being marked up 500-3000% regardless of the demand....

Trade system is broken... the add-ons allowed to interfere make it worse... The economy in this game is one of the worst ive seen EVER in 30 years of gaming... Its an abomination.

The only saving grace of this game... is that i dont mind farming stuff myself, and thank the lord for that, because the economy is a complete embarrassment.

You just described the World Economy system.

Account-binding items sold through traders? Have you really thought that through. That's like putting RFID/GPS trackers on everything you buy from Walmart or Amazon. That would discourage buying from select traders even more.

Some people are willing to participate in the guild trading environment...me personally, too much stress and I play to have fun. As far as price gouging...well, a person can offset this by accumulating their own gold reserves by selling drops directly to merchants. I've sold a few items to traders, and made a little, but most of my gold is achieved selling directly to the merchant when I need to purge my inventory.

For sure, ESO is a sell, re-sell, re-re-resell environment. But if you don't like it, it is best to avoid participating in it rather than trying to reduce its liquidity by placing restrictions that would reduce the competition of trading altogether.The trading system reminds me of the real estate world in New York or San Francisco, and other heavily-competitive and certainly overpriced markets in cities that resell their estate capital over and over, and eventually, the prices will fall.

The prices on Mother's Sorrow will eventually fall on some items if they don't sell. If it's a popular set, it will remain high for the pieces, however there are occasional times where the pieces show up rather inexpensive...but you have to be quick to get them.

Again, if your complaint is that prices are inflated, you can farm non-relevant items and sell them direct to merchants which will in turn get you the gold you need to buy the overpriced items you want.

If ESO did NOT give us the opportunity to make gold on the side, then yes, I'd be in your corner more, but as it stands, I there is a balance that is viable for everyone. I'm sure improvements could be made to trading, but your solution, imo, would make it worse. If you don't think so, please explain your idea more.

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Ysbriel wrote: »

Use TTC and haul.

I actually dislike TTC because its not acurate, you can search for a item (lets say inferno staff of a mother's sorrow) find a listing posted an hour ago for say 32k you port to the area run to the trader only to find its already sold so you look at the next one run to that trader only to find thats sold to.

We could do with a in game system that is more acurate and doesnt show items that have already sold.

People not undercutting is a sign of a smart seller... they know it will sell because it is the current meta. Anybody throwing things on for cheep are missing the basics of economics. Money is so easy to get in this game outside of trading that it really doesn’t matter anyway. My daily Writs give me 60k every day. That’s almost 2 mil a month just for dailies.

In other MMOs, global "auction" houses work, because the moneybags can't control the whole market all the time. There will always be those who underbid and those who buy at a reasonable price, before the professional resellers can fetch it.

ESO separates the market into many small easily controllable chunks, separated by tediously long loading times that discourage the casual buyer from looking for a bargain themselves.

The guild trader system also discourages the casual seller from selling at a fair price. If you don't want to deal with the hassle of meeting the expectations of a large trade guild, you have to sell cheaply on a remote trader where the only buyers come from the large trade guild, and ignore your listings unless they have a high profit when reselling.

Is it realistic for that supposed time period? Of course it is. But if we want to be that realistic, those roleplaying merchants should also have to deal with those of us deciding to roleplay pirates and highwaymen.