Trading System is absolutely vile

Mitrenga

I agree, trader hiring system needs improvement. Trading in general needs many QoL changes and implementation of some AGS features into the base game was a good start.

But, you are saying flipping is a problem?

This is how MMO economy works, not exclusive to ESO. People did it in Ultima Online. It's a 22 yrs old game.
If a player can not learn the possible price of an item, it's the player's problem.
You do not know what the price would be? It's fine, just ask in zone and you will get many answers.
You do not even need addons for that.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Skwor wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Pointless there are already more than enough slot for everyone to trade. Guilds are always scrounging for new players to trade

There are enough slots - for those players who are willing to commit to the effort of meeting sales targets.

Wrong again, there are trade guilds that charge nothing and have no sales target

Name one for each platform.

I bet you can't.

In fact I bet you can't name three such guilds in total, from any platform.


All The Best

Sylosi

Maxx7410 wrote: »

[snip]

ESO isn't the free market, it is a heavily regulated market.

For example it has price controls, a minimum price is set by the amount you can sell an item to a vendor, which is set by Zenimax.

Zenimax are basically a "God" entity in ESO who have nearly complete control over the supply and demand, through being able to alter the desirability of items and the drop rate, which again also acts as a price control.

Then you have that trade system in this game puts on artificial constraints that distort the market, which if you take to the extreme means if everyone wanted to join a trade guild there are not enough spots available. (and lets just ignore even then that half the spots are basically useless).

Ironically the thing that certain people complain about (a global AH) is actually more of a free market than the ESO system, everyone can easily sell and buy on it, there is far more price transparency and most importantly it opens up to far more competition. (which is the real reason certain rather dishonest people are against it)

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barney2525

Skwor wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jdamuso wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jdamuso wrote: »

The trader re-selling and trade guild price gouging is disgusting. anything and everything worth buying is constantly being bought up by players with billions of gold and being re-sold at unreasonable prices. The amount of gold being farmed out of the game is obscene and being filtered into the pocket of a handful of the community creating an economically dystopian capitalist garbage dump.

Howabout account binding items sold through traders huh?

Even to obtain a trader you have to compete with this garbage, which is just encouraging the practice...

And before you come back with some snub retort to the point.... empirical evidence: the cheapest purple inferno staff of a mother's sorrow on the market is 55k yet there are well over 260 of this item available on the market right now. Suggesting there is not the demand for the supply. If it was rare enough to be so valuable then okay. but they are clearly its not that rare if there are 260 of it not being sold...


Now the problem is... EVERYTHING is being bought and re-sold..... EVERYTHING that will sell AT ALL. and being marked up 500-3000% regardless of the demand....

Trade system is broken... the add-ons allowed to interfere make it worse... The economy in this game is one of the worst ive seen EVER in 30 years of gaming... Its an abomination.

The only saving grace of this game... is that i dont mind farming stuff myself, and thank the lord for that, because the economy is a complete embarrassment.

This isn't possible because the guild trader system is different from your average auction house system and prevents market manipulation.

TTC defies your premise

jaws343 wrote: »

jdamuso wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

Poor poor jdamuso. He can not control his authoritarian tendency! the free market is like kryptonite for him poor poor thing

thermatico wrote: »

This games trading system is BY FAR the easiest to make money at. All it takes is time and a little knowledge of what's selling.

I have no issues making money, i have no issues trading, i have 14 toon 10 of them are muling complete gear sets.

I have four trade guild and im often rewarded as one of the top sellers. NONE OF WHICH is re-selling. I know how to farm, i know how to play, i know how to trade, you probably couldnt kill me in a 1v1 if your life depended on it as i can tank 20+ guys in cyro on a regular basis.

I have no authoritarian issue, identifying a broken system is not me being a control freak. Its me rebelling against injustice.

I do not NEED to buy ANYTHING on the market, I am a producer, i make my own supplies, I buy raw and sell low. You buy my low and sell high, and the poor noob that started yesterday gets none...

A successful game caters to its new players, this provides a healthy community, this community exploits new players, that is how games die.

This is about how disgusting i find it that when i actually do want to go find ANYTHING on the market, and i use this TTC garbage game killing website, every item at a fair value has been bought and marked up 3000% and i find it repulsive. and i go farm said item instead.

And i would much rather enjoy using the free market instead of being disgusted by mis-use.

Trashing me in this way is only re-enforcing my points made, so if it makes you feel better please continue to trash me, since you clearly have no VALID way to defend against my points made. GG

See, I don't think you actually know how a free market works. If an item has no value or if it is overpriced, that price will eventually come down since noone will be buying the item. There is no misuse in reselling items. There is no misuse in flipping items. There is no detriment to new players. A new player has zero reason to need to go and find a BIS item set. A new player should be learning the game and taking advantage of the numerous avenues available to them to get into trading, and other end game content. This whole thread is a veiled complaint that you cannot find items for the price YOU think is fair rather than the price that the market has deemed to be the price.

And there are plenty of IRL examples of market places flipping items for more money, entire industries revolve around this concept. You can't just shut it down because you don't want to pay for an item. That isn't how a free market works.

Which example? you stated theres and example of item reselling IRL? which?

ALSO the item has value but when every item is bought up and the re-priced at 3000% the original value, thats a farsed value...

there is no threshold for the ammout of items players can buy to manipulate the market as tehre's to much gold in the economy..

IRL you cannot produce gold by farming mobs and then use it to manipulate global economy.

Price gouging in a real world economy creates outrage, its creating outrage now in this virtual economy.

thermatico wrote: »

jdamuso wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

Poor poor jdamuso. He can not control his authoritarian tendency! the free market is like kryptonite for him poor poor thing

thermatico wrote: »

This games trading system is BY FAR the easiest to make money at. All it takes is time and a little knowledge of what's selling.

I have no issues making money, i have no issues trading, i have 14 toon 10 of them are muling complete gear sets.

I have four trade guild and im often rewarded as one of the top sellers. NONE OF WHICH is re-selling. I know how to farm, i know how to play, i know how to trade, you probably couldnt kill me in a 1v1 if your life depended on it as i can tank 20+ guys in cyro on a regular basis.

I have no authoritarian issue, identifying a broken system is not me being a control freak. Its me rebelling against injustice.

I do not NEED to buy ANYTHING on the market, I am a producer, i make my own supplies, I buy raw and sell low. You buy my low and sell high, and the poor noob that started yesterday gets none...

A successful game caters to its new players, this provides a healthy community, this community exploits new players, that is how games die.

This is about how disgusting i find it that when i actually do want to go find ANYTHING on the market, and i use this TTC garbage game killing website, every item at a fair value has been bought and marked up 3000% and i find it repulsive. and i go farm said item instead.

And i would much rather enjoy using the free market instead of being disgusted by mis-use.

Trashing me in this way is only re-enforcing my points made, so if it makes you feel better please continue to trash me, since you clearly have no VALID way to defend against my points made. GG

What specifically are you talking about being marked up 3000%? I know what sales and nothing really popular has fluctuated like that.

Inflation is part of any economy.

Inflation is not part of an economy that is flooded with products for sale.

Your car doesn't inflate in price when you buy it, it worth 40% of what you paid for it the second you buy it,

SCSpecter wrote: »

Completely ignoring the fact that apps like Band exist and you can bypass the guild trader extremely easy and make good money.

The claim that not enough people can participate in an already difficult to use system is misguided when you can sell what you need fairly quickly on third parties with your phone.

This app is not part of the game, its third party, we are talking about rectifying the problem with the game and already iden

Darkenarlol wrote: »

so.. just another thread about AH and how good it is...

ok

for example with global AH in WoW i had total and absolute

control on server's prices in whole segment of metal crafting

resources with not a single chance for anyone to enter that

segment to make real money (not occasional casual selling 1 stack in a week

for 20gold but many-many thousands per week)

there was another guy who totally controlled herbs resources etc...


with global AH it is SO easy to manipulate prices when you have enough resources...


P.S.edited a little after reading OP's last answer

I never said anything about a global AH

thermatico wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

i understand the mottif are the best example of the market working when there is a lot of supply the price crash, but when the supply is low and the demand is high the prices skyrocket is normal. if you have to play a lot of time to have a chance of geting a rare mottif or you can buy it, is logic that it will cost considerably

I agree with you... I am really interested in what exactly he is talking about in the market. Something obviously triggered this post.

Im triggered because ive notice the trend with EVERY item. not just mothers sorrow not just motifs. everything. and i am identifying the #1 cause as third party programs. TTC MM whatever that band thing is... The market should take place in game. TTC has allows price manipulation to run rampant to a catastrophic level.

midgetfromtheshire wrote: »

People would just buy the cheaper stuff to keep the higher priced items in supply.

EXACTLY because there is too much gold in the game. allow

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

I honestly don't know what logical basis the complaint about flipping items stands on.

Let's take it to a real world scenario. You're in a pawn shop. You see a valuable ring that, for whatever reason, the owner has listed for $5. Do you go around to all the other pawn shops and tell the owners to lower the prices of their valuable rings to $5? No, because that's stupid. Do you complain to the city council that the other pawn shops are driving up the prices of valuable rings? No, because that's also stupid. Do you sell off all your OWN valuable rings for $5? No, because that is *incredibly* stupid.

Instead, because you're NOT stupid, you grab the $5 valuable ring because it's a fantastic deal. You then wear it yourself if you personally like it, or sell for a boatload because historically, valuable rings sell for a lot more than $5.

If you don't have the time or the desire to check all the pawn shops in town for great deals - even with readily available online tools indicating pawn shop inventory and pricing - then I guess you don't get the good deals. That's not the pawn shop's fault; that's not the economic system that allows for pawn shops' fault; that's on you for having priorities that differ from actively searching out good deals.

I'm not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp.

Pawn shops sell items for far less than their original worth. ESO sell items

StabbityDoom wrote: »

rpa wrote: »

I used to hate the trading system until I realized it's part of this game. Not a part I'm personally interested of but still something some people play hadcore. For us casuals, there is plenty of very useful non-bis stuff to buy in reasonable price and one can always dump sellables to guild store in bargain price and let more dedicated guildies handle it.

you're right. Arbitrage is part of every game with a trade system. Secondly, the flippers are doing you a service. You now don't need to go out to some far-off trader in who knows where, you can pick up what you need in your preferred town for a bit of a premium. You still want deals? Scour for them like the flippers do. Anyone can do it. Trade is the game I enjoy. All of us started with nothing.

Yes i will outrace the army of item flippers..... this is the point, 10 minutes after an item is posted its GONE, and marked up 3000%

This is not a feature of the game, its provided by a third party service. TTC and who knows what other addons people have?

possibly sending notifications when an item is listed under a certain price so the can go buy it up.





Finally.... there has been a person in craglorn recently buying dreugh wax "by the 1000s"

this is the punch.. "i will buy your dreugh wax by the 1000s..."


THOUSANDS.

This is SEVERE market manipulation..

This is not a healthy flow of supply and demand and market fluctuation..

This is market manipulation which is an entirely different thing.

What happens when someone in your home country buys ALL THE WATER?

and sells the WATER at un-affordable prices?

Well the country dies...

or the people revolt.



The game is going to die to this trend.


I am revolting.

I was being sarcastic Jdamasu. I essentially agree with you. I was just poking fun at the argument that this silly Guild Trader system prevented people from doing this - since that was a popular argument at the time against adding a global market system. People simply use add ons to buy low and sell high to manipulate the market the same way they would in any other economic system. The only difference here is it gives players who use these add ons massive economic advantages over those that don't - which makes the strategy even more effective than it would in the case of an auction house.

It's just a poor system all together and no longer has a single argument to its benefit. They should have dumped it long ago. The only thing it does is alienate newer players, force guilds and fees onto people - and widen the berth between players who use and don't use addons. Everything it brings to the table is negative. Nothing it brings is positive.

You are wrong on all accounts, but hey why bother with reason when you can make stuff up.

The system is not as poor as you try to assert and is way better than the very poor concept of a global market, it forces no fees in anyone, there are free traders readily available and no one is required to participate. Add ons are not required and I have never seen it alienate a single player. I have seen people like you though actually alienate new players from trying out a fun aspect of this game with all your garbage rants about the system.

Read this a number of times and still can't believe you posted it.

The system IS as poor as has been asserted. The system DOES force fees on players IF you want to actually be able to sell outside your Guild. The ridiculous method of handing out trader spots and the way THAT system is manipulated guarantees that any Guild who actually Wants a Trader Must charge fees to their player base. You say there are these mythical 'Free Traders" readily available as if by saying so it must be true. Trader spots cost millions of gold. Every Week.

Addons are not required is not an issue. Addons are available - THAT is the issue. Removing the addons would be a step in the right direction. That way people would simply have to put items up for sale for an amount of gold that they personally think is acceptable. There would not be anyway to 'see' what items were selling for in different locations without actually going TO those locations.

You say the GAH is a 'poor concept'. The GAH allows instant access to Every item that is being sold, in the Entire game. It allows All players, whether they are members of a guild or not, to see how much any specific item is being sold for, listing the lowest price First. Archeage started out having traders at a lot of convenient locations, and then added the GAH to the GUI of subscribers. It is simple, it is fast, you CAN buy what you want Immediately, without actually needing to bid (since everything has a 'buy now' price ) and it is far superior to the system we deal with here - where you MUST join a trading guild if you want to sell Anything, where you DON'T get to see All the items available in the game, you DON'T get to see the lowest price for all the items you are looking for.

IMHO - I would rather new players have a simple and fast and efficient way for them to buy and sell from the get go than be forced into what your opinion of 'fun' is.

IMHO

Censered

Mitrenga wrote: »

I agree, trader hiring system needs improvement. Trading in general needs many QoL changes and implementation of some AGS features into the base game was a good start.

But, you are saying flipping is a problem?

This is how MMO economy works, not exclusive to ESO. People did it in Ultima Online. It's a 22 yrs old game.
If a player can not learn the possible price of an item, it's the player's problem.
You do not know what the price would be? It's fine, just ask in zone and you will get many answers.
You do not even need addons for that.

In pretty much all other systems the flipping is controlled by having the entire population involved in the same market. Wile you are dropping items for 300% other people are farming and undercutting you by dropping them for their normal value.

Some games have the opposite problem. The system is set up where they are undercutting each other to the point that they drive all the profit out of common items. Guild Wars 2 and EVE have that problem although in EVE they can just start killing you to stop you from doing that.

MajBludd

55k is cheap. Wait till you want that shiny new staff that costs 200k.

MajBludd

@Loves_guars depends on the trade guild. My cousin took a break from the game for 3 months.
He was involved with 4 trade guilds, one dropped him. These guilds do not require dues or quotas.

As far as AH, would the AH hold raffles, trial runs, dungeon runs, trivia with prizes, community gatherings, etc?

The trade guilds I am currently with do.

NeroBad

I smell rotting horse here, and hear people beating something.

xTarrant

jdamuso wrote: »

The trader re-selling and trade guild price gouging is disgusting. anything and everything worth buying is constantly being bought up by players with billions of gold and being re-sold at unreasonable prices. [snip]

Howabout account binding items sold through traders huh?

Even to obtain a trader you have to compete with this garbage, which is just encouraging the practice...

And before you come back with some snub retort to the point.... empirical evidence: the cheapest purple inferno staff of a mother's sorrow on the market is 55k yet there are well over 260 of this item available on the market right now. Suggesting there is not the demand for the supply. If it was rare enough to be so valuable then okay. but they are clearly its not that rare if there are 260 of it not being sold...


Now the problem is... EVERYTHING is being bought and re-sold..... EVERYTHING that will sell AT ALL. and being marked up 500-3000% regardless of the demand....

Trade system is broken... the add-ons allowed to interfere make it worse... The economy in this game is one of the worst ive seen EVER in 30 years of gaming... Its an abomination.

The only saving grace of this game... is that i dont mind farming stuff myself, and thank the lord for that, because the economy is a complete embarrassment.

This is not new, and it's not earth shattering. The delocalization of trade helps to protect against this a little. You're over reacting.

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pdblake

jdamuso wrote: »

Ive suggested Bind on Sale, which is drastic but 100% guaranteed to solve the issue.

How about bind for a certain amount of time, long enough to discourage immediate relisting, but not so long that you can never get rid of something you no longer have a use for.

And more trading post to dilute it all a bit more. I mean, at the end of the day, it's a game. People will always have a certain need to get certain gear that they, for whatever reason, can't get otherwise, but is there really any reason for people to be multi millionaires, in a game?

Freakin_Hytte

barney2525 wrote: »

Jurand80 wrote: »

You don't need billions to play a trader. I used to do just what the OP explained untill i reached 1m+ don't rly need much gold after. Today it's a different story coz you can buy crowns.

But if you have a problem with a 55k staff then wow. How big is your bank? 10k? I think i bought my MS staff for 200k. Do you even own a maxed out mount? Make some money and stop with the QQ. There are a lot of guides on that. No amount of QQ is going to change the eso trading system so adapt or uninstall.

Ah... that standard response from all who are panicked that their own little bubble might be burst if Zos used some common sense and added an Global Auction House.

The fact that adding a GAH to the game would put the current system right out of business shows which system is better And which system the Majority of the players want to use.

And so the millionaires rail against it.

It's so bloody easy to become a millionaire in this game, [snip]

I used to be poor, then I didn't want to be poor when I got tired of having to farm for everything. So I Googled and learned ways to earn some money and within my first month I had 1 mil in the bank. So if I can do it, so can the rest of you [snip].

[edited for circumventing profanity filter & baiting]

Censered

MajBludd wrote: »

@Loves_guars depends on the trade guild. My cousin took a break from the game for 3 months.
He was involved with 4 trade guilds, one dropped him. These guilds do not require dues or quotas.

As far as AH, would the AH hold raffles, trial runs, dungeon runs, trivia with prizes, community gatherings, etc?

The trade guilds I am currently with do.

In other games they do all of the above and they're just called guilds.

Skwor

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Pointless there are already more than enough slot for everyone to trade. Guilds are always scrounging for new players to trade

There are enough slots - for those players who are willing to commit to the effort of meeting sales targets.

Wrong again, there are trade guilds that charge nothing and have no sales target

Name one for each platform.

I bet you can't.

In fact I bet you can't name three such guilds in total, from any platform.


All The Best

Go to zone chat in a common area. You will see guilds asking for traders, no requirements. Also why would I care about other platforms? I am the PC Master race.

Enough posters other than myself have also testified to zero fee guilds for trader. I did not start the assertion all trade guilds require fees so it is not for me to prove otherwise to you. Those making the assertion are who you should be asking to prove all guilds require fees.

So make a list of the 197 traders and ask each one what their participation requirements are.

Oh, and until recently one of the low end trade guilds I hang out in was 0 fees but they decided to try the big leagues, so yes I know first hand they exist.

AND lookie here

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476737/wings-and-dreams-guild-active-trading-guild-looking-for-new-members#latest

A no fee trade guild asking for members right here in our very own forums. This was about a month ago. See, now try and actually look for yourself instead of spewing bitter fantasies to comfort your personal petty animosities about a system you are not even trying to understand.

ThePlayer

Yesterday i did a trader check in Sadrith Mora (Vvardenfell), all the traders present (I don't remember the names) have above average prices, i can't understand how these traders manage to sell and hold the place.
Probably pvp guilds that bid for + 200k every week or clones of other guilds traders who want to hold the place every week, because surely they don't sell so much.
ZOS instead of betting only on the 10 bids at week, should also check the sales because now there is a monopoly of fake sellers and sellers.

StabbityDoom

ThePlayer wrote: »

Yesterday i did a trader check in Sadrith Mora (Vvardenfell), all the traders present (I don't remember the names) have above average prices, i can't understand how these traders manage to sell and hold the place.
Probably pvp guilds that bid for + 200k every week or clones of other guilds traders who want to hold the place every week, because surely they don't sell so much.
ZOS instead of betting only on the 10 bids at week, should also check the sales because now there is a monopoly of fake sellers and sellers.

That's why they are putting in the changes on the pts right now, they made a statement that it was to prevent shadow guilds

ZOS_RogerJ

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JKorr

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Pointless there are already more than enough slot for everyone to trade. Guilds are always scrounging for new players to trade

There are enough slots - for those players who are willing to commit to the effort of meeting sales targets.

Wrong again, there are trade guilds that charge nothing and have no sales target

Name one for each platform.

I bet you can't.

In fact I bet you can't name three such guilds in total, from any platform.


All The Best

I play on pc. Don't really know or pay much attention to the consoles, to be honest. After the SNES, I've never touched another console because my pc works, imo, much better for more things than the consoles do. So if you want names of trade guilds on the consoles, someone else will have to provide that information.

For pc. Insert Guild Name Here, Meat Market, Auction House, and Silk Road are trading guilds. No mandatory sales required. No mandatory raffle required. No mandatory auction required. I belong to one of those guilds. The only "requirement" is logging in once a week. Buying raffle tickets is encouraged, of course, and participating in the aution, because the gold goes to keeping the trader.

Since every few weeks, when I decide to actually bother to sell stuff, I usually make around 65k off 30 listings, I don't find it overly demanding to buy raffle tickets every week and donate the odd item to the auction once in a while. The last time I made an effort and cleared out some of the motifs, tempers, and master writs I had piled up I ended up with a little more than 300k. So it is possible to make decent gold in a trading guild that has no requirement beyond logging in once a week.

radiostar

Just go ahead and make everything you buy from a Trader character bound or account bound. You do it with everything else we want to sell.

Thorvik_Tyrson

radiostar wrote: »

Just go ahead and make everything you buy from a Trader character bound or account bound. You do it with everything else we want to sell.

I dont think that you need to make materials and consumables bound.

Hawco10

Simple fix.
Establish a buy price feature with the sell price feature in a global market.
Scammers can list what they want for as much as they want, sure, some idiot will come along and buy it. But the vast majority will use the buy price feature. That will be the true Price that’s market driven. Not the scammers list price.

Tigerseye

Urigall wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Pointless there are already more than enough slot for everyone to trade. Guilds are always scrounging for new players to trade

There are enough slots - for those players who are willing to commit to the effort of meeting sales targets.

Wrong again, there are trade guilds that charge nothing and have no sales target

How many? Just curious.

I'm in two.

Problem is, sales are slow as their traders are not, generally, in the best spots.

However, as I say, there was no point in me staying in my former good spot trader, as the sales policy changed, so sales became slow there, too.

Better slow trade with no minimum target, than slow trade with a minimum target (or having to relist every 3 days and lose both potential profit and listing fees).

ImSoPro

I farm everything myself mostly, but only because the economy is atrocious. I take advantage of the disgraced economy though because I’m that guy that will farm something rare and price it moderately high but not stupid high. It sells within 24 hrs everytime because it’s not too crazy yet still priced high enough that you net a fat sum of gold. You all need people like me. I’m an unsung hero. Providing rare items at a price that will make you think “I should really just farm this myself but I’m gonna buy it because even though it’s expensive it’s cheaper than everything else”

Tigerseye

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Pointless there are already more than enough slot for everyone to trade. Guilds are always scrounging for new players to trade

There are enough slots - for those players who are willing to commit to the effort of meeting sales targets.

Wrong again, there are trade guilds that charge nothing and have no sales target

Name one for each platform.

I bet you can't.

In fact I bet you can't name three such guilds in total, from any platform.


All The Best

I can name two from PCEU.

Llamas Rules the Party (trader normally in Coldharbour, occasionally in Rimmen) and Dragon's Bane (trader in Skywatch).

Dragon's Bane (which is relatively new) has nearly 200 free slots left, if anyone wants an inv.

Then I was in another one I accidentally left, like an idiot (trader in Hew's Bane), when I was trying to leave group.

For some reason, I've got a temporary block on the name, but it still exists.


Edit: Name of third guild is Merchants of the Wulves.

iLLcrime

barney2525 wrote: »

Here's the bottom line...

Leave the Trader system as is.

ADD a Global Auction house.

Then we will definitively see which system the majority of the players prefers.

This ^

If you people who want to keep things as they are, you can and for those who want the Global Trading, they get that as well. This shouldn't be a problem as everyone wins. If you think differently, we already know why.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

barney2525 wrote: »

Here's the bottom line...

Leave the Trader system as is.

ADD a Global Auction house.

Then we will definitively see which system the majority of the players prefers.

Exactly.

If, as supporters of the current system claim (with not one shred of evidence mind you), "market cornering" is so easy with an AH (I prefer Global Trader as I don't see the need for actual Auctions) then players will simply refuse to use it, and continue to use the current system.

Right?

Surely the alleged "free market champions" who defend the current system are not afraid of a bit of consumer choice (a cornerstone of a free market by the way), are they?


All The Best

Aramech

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

What advantage do auctions have over straight selling of items? Do you want to turn the item sales market into eBay? Or we'd need to place bids hoping to win items instead of just buying those items?

If it is implemented the way WoW does it a buyer could set an auction-start-price and a quickbuyprice. That way people could decide themself wether they want to gamble in an auction or snatch the item right away

Aramech

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Don't blame ZOS on that. The system was fine before this [snip] (TTC) appeared, with hub traders been more valuable (Craglorn, Elden Root etc) where you could find everything you wanted at good prices.

This is *** right there. Of course its the fault of ZOS for alowing the mod to flourish. They could block it if they wanted.

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Censered

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Here's the bottom line...

Leave the Trader system as is.

ADD a Global Auction house.

Then we will definitively see which system the majority of the players prefers.

Exactly.

If, as supporters of the current system claim (with not one shred of evidence mind you), "market cornering" is so easy with an AH (I prefer Global Trader as I don't see the need for actual Auctions) then players will simply refuse to use it, and continue to use the current system.

Right?

Surely the alleged "free market champions" who defend the current system are not afraid of a bit of consumer choice (a cornerstone of a free market by the way), are they?


All The Best

If market cornering is so much easier in a free market (auction house) then why is it so out of control here and not in the 8 other MMOs that I've played?

Also it's pretty high on the ignorance scale to think forcing people to use a farmers market system is free market.

Although I believe a lot of these people know that this is the opposite of a free market and like it because of that fact.

It's like in GW2 when I posted about people abusing the system by using market bots the people who were rudely claiming they didn't exist and I didn't know how economics worked suddenly and mysteriously got their accounts deleted when GW2 did cracked down on their use.

Wolfpaw

ZOS_RogerJ wrote: »

Just a friendly reminder that it’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.

What would be great is if ZOS created systems that brought the community together instead of pit them against each other.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

he system was fine before this [snip] (TTC) appeared,

No, it wasn't.

The system has always been unfit for purpose.
It has always excluded more people from Trade than it has brought into Trade.
It has always been difficult for Sellers to find what they were looking for - appallingly bad UI is most definitely ZoS's fault.

Te Kiosk System has never been "fine", unless you are referencing the "f" from the Aerosmith song of the same name.


All The Best

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