ATomiX96 wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

Pirate skeleton is overperforming no doubt. I've seen the set save lives in PvP that shouldn't be saved. Literally keeps people in the fight when they're spent. Witnessed it countless times in no cp PvP and in cp PvP. People say "uhm but it has minor defile as a drawback". Sorry but if you rock lingering pots or have a major/minor healing buff the pirate skeleton healing debuff becomes next to nothing because any healing becomes so much more effective when you take so much less damage and I'm not taking healing cp into account. (I'm gonna leave shield stackers with bright throat + bloody mara or loaded infusion out of this on purpose cause there's no point) I'd say the best course of action is to remove major/ minor protection from sets or these sets from PvP, as well as any hard proc of healing and damage like earthgore, viper etc regardless of how powerful it is. PvP sets should be around stats and so should proc sets be. Even if this were to happen tho adjustments might be needed in certain sets.

It's easy to say remove protection from sets when you're maining a stam sorc - the class with the best mobility in this game. You know some classes can't just reach corners and LoS by using streak to close the gap..

So because other classes don't have stamsorc mobility they should be rocking a set that doesn't allow you to bring them below 40% if they're half decent?

I've seen people pull solo or duo PvP without using that set on many classes and they were fine. This set is overperforming and it makes up for skill, period. People don't want it to go or get nerfed cause it makes them stupidly durable. I just hope it gets nerfed so I can watch them trying to git gud.

nah dude 80% major protection uptime is fine for equipping 2 pieces, youre just hating :^) /s
For real though, it would be way too strong for a 5 piece set, let alone 2 pieces LOL.
Look at compareable options out there that require you to wear 5 pieces, all of them are strictly worse and have way larger drawbacks than pirate skeleton, because whats minor defile if snipe applies the same debuff to you.
The real drawback of this set are all the bugs that come with it when you transform to a skeleton.

Lets say they nerf the uptime- 8 seconds with an 8 second cool down- how many players insta drop it for shadowrend...

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Having no diminishing returns on armor stacking is just as broken as skelly pirate to be honest.

Strong sure- but PS is ridiculous considering a 2 pc

Insco851 wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

Pirate skeleton is overperforming no doubt. I've seen the set save lives in PvP that shouldn't be saved. Literally keeps people in the fight when they're spent. Witnessed it countless times in no cp PvP and in cp PvP. People say "uhm but it has minor defile as a drawback". Sorry but if you rock lingering pots or have a major/minor healing buff the pirate skeleton healing debuff becomes next to nothing because any healing becomes so much more effective when you take so much less damage and I'm not taking healing cp into account. (I'm gonna leave shield stackers with bright throat + bloody mara or loaded infusion out of this on purpose cause there's no point) I'd say the best course of action is to remove major/ minor protection from sets or these sets from PvP, as well as any hard proc of healing and damage like earthgore, viper etc regardless of how powerful it is. PvP sets should be around stats and so should proc sets be. Even if this were to happen tho adjustments might be needed in certain sets.

It's easy to say remove protection from sets when you're maining a stam sorc - the class with the best mobility in this game. You know some classes can't just reach corners and LoS by using streak to close the gap..

So because other classes don't have stamsorc mobility they should be rocking a set that doesn't allow you to bring them below 40% if they're half decent?

I've seen people pull solo or duo PvP without using that set on many classes and they were fine. This set is overperforming and it makes up for skill, period. People don't want it to go or get nerfed cause it makes them stupidly durable. I just hope it gets nerfed so I can watch them trying to git gud.

nah dude 80% major protection uptime is fine for equipping 2 pieces, youre just hating :^) /s
For real though, it would be way too strong for a 5 piece set, let alone 2 pieces LOL.
Look at compareable options out there that require you to wear 5 pieces, all of them are strictly worse and have way larger drawbacks than pirate skeleton, because whats minor defile if snipe applies the same debuff to you.
The real drawback of this set are all the bugs that come with it when you transform to a skeleton.

Lets say they nerf the uptime- 8 seconds with an 8 second cool down- how many players insta drop it for shadowrend...

Shadowrend affects 1 person and is minor maim so people aren't likely to pick it for open world. Still strong for 1v1s though

@Minno

Sorry for the late reply to the math here. Thank you for providing it.

Just to clarify with your own math. Below are your damage taken, with / without Steadfast Hero, and without vulnerability.

21220 * (0.70)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.8536) = 4,211
21220 * (.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.8536) = 6,016

My ONLY point is, that you should do the above calculation like this;

Either 1) Use PvP Tooltip by applying 50% BEFORE the calculation

10610 * (0.70)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.8536) = 4,211
10610 * (.73)*(.91)*(0.8536) = 6,016

Or 2) Do a 50% reduction on the final total.

(21220 * (0.70)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.8536)) * 0,5 = 4,211
(21220 * (.73)*(.91)*(0.8536)) * 0,5 = 6,016

You calculation is absolutely correct. But i am advocating the removal of battlespirit from this calculation, to help less experienced players making the same mistake as we saw earlier in this thread (thinking that Major Protection would never be more than 15% because of battlespirit).

I am NOT advocating to not calculate vulnerability, major / minor protection etc. as these will most surely give diminishing returns, as you showed in the calculation. But that is totally not the point. The point is, that Battlespirit is NOT causing any diminishing returns at all.

Iskiab wrote: »

Is this a my one button ‘snipe’ spec isn’t working?

It’s a good set but I don’t think it’s so out of line it deserves a 100 reply thread.

You really need to play some CP open world and get a sense of things for a solid chunk of the PvP population if it isn't a plurality or even a majority of the PvP population. "Just a CP problem" means a real problem for a lot of people esp. in offtime open world and for people that don't like being in 48-86+ zergs.

P.S. PS doesn't stop the health desync snipe spam builds anyways, and even to a degree encourages them by making very traditional kiting based open world builds less rewarding. Even on 8 snipes SP isn't 50% to proc (1-((.92)^8))=0.48678112686... so relying on it to save you from laggy BS kills would be bold.