Galarthor wrote: »

No other class can dodge indefinitely, b/c no other class has cloak to reset the dodge roll debuffs.

If you think stamblades are not and have not been the / one of the strong class in PvP then you are delusional.

You have the most potent mitigation tool in the game (dodge) for which you do not even have to sacrifice a bar slot and that you can spam definitely - unlike other classes. You got access to cloak and you can teleport through solid objects. All of this pair with the high damage and the lack of viable counterplay and protection against cloak make you the strongest PvP class right next to stamdens.

But one-shotting people from cloak and still crying on the forums how weak stamblades and how OP all other classes are has a proud 5-year tradition in the stamblade community.

Imagine getting oneshot from cloak and claim that there is a lack of counter of cloak when the game is full of skill that require nothing from the player and work against cloak.

Only because you get oneshot from cloak dosen't mean everyone get killed so easily by a NB.
I might do it too if i get in one of those low mmr match where people don't know what to do and are really slow at react no impen etc.
Then you go on high mmr match and people are not so bad to die like you claim and especially know how to work against cloak.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

No other class can dodge indefinitely, b/c no other class has cloak to reset the dodge roll debuffs.

If you think stamblades are not and have not been the / one of the strong class in PvP then you are delusional.

You have the most potent mitigation tool in the game (dodge) for which you do not even have to sacrifice a bar slot and that you can spam definitely - unlike other classes. You got access to cloak and you can teleport through solid objects. All of this pair with the high damage and the lack of viable counterplay and protection against cloak make you the strongest PvP class right next to stamdens.

But one-shotting people from cloak and still crying on the forums how weak stamblades and how OP all other classes are has a proud 5-year tradition in the stamblade community.

This guy is a magsorc main btw. Maybe we should give him his own forum where only he is allowed to post?

I already guessed he was a mag sorc main cant be a very good one if he getting one shotted especially considering the shields they get

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

No other class can dodge indefinitely, b/c no other class has cloak to reset the dodge roll debuffs.

If you think stamblades are not and have not been the / one of the strong class in PvP then you are delusional.

You have the most potent mitigation tool in the game (dodge) for which you do not even have to sacrifice a bar slot and that you can spam definitely - unlike other classes. You got access to cloak and you can teleport through solid objects. All of this pair with the high damage and the lack of viable counterplay and protection against cloak make you the strongest PvP class right next to stamdens.

But one-shotting people from cloak and still crying on the forums how weak stamblades and how OP all other classes are has a proud 5-year tradition in the stamblade community.

This guy is a magsorc main btw. Maybe we should give him his own forum where only he is allowed to post?

Ah yes, the "I don't know how to talk about the subject, so I better start trashtalking him..." response...

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Oh, look. The Nightblade lobby has come out of hiding.
*rolls eyes*

What Galar said is mostly true.
Dodge is very powerful and its main drawback, the fatigue, nullified by Cloak. Another extremely powerful skill.
NBs have INSANE damage output. Well, stamblades. If you think Galar is exaggerating being oneshot out of stealth, well... maybe. But a gank build with Onslaught can easily hit you for 90% of your health. Mind you, you're not seeing the ganker coming thanks to OP spammable invis. So no shields up, unless you were cautious enough. If you still don't believe me, I've seen a friend of mine oneshot an emp out of stealth. And not a potato emp, a somewhat experienced one. Doesn't happen each day, but point is, stamblades have damage. You'd be in denial to disagree.

NBs have historically been very well-rounded in Cyrodiil and among the top classes. Especially stamblades. Hate on sorcs because our stupid pet finally elevated us to top tier, but we've spent years in mid tier before. Whereas NBs have always had a spot in the sun. Your trash talking about sorc players here is highly inappropriate. Make yourselves useful and discuss Incap.

oh look another magsorc pointing at NB roll eyes

Stamina Nb is weak on BG but good in open world no one is saying otherwise but there people like Galar that go overboard and claim things that are simply not possible to do vs experienced player.
You might get ganked one time and youre not prepared but if you return to find the ganker and die the same way that's on you(or if you die everytime you get ganked) same if you die everytime a NB cloak near you.

Spammable invis like 4 time in a row before youre oom even less if youre in fight and use fear/shade or cloak break also everyone can sneak a stamina NB is not going around spamming cloak is not even possible.
Onlaught is not a NB ability.

The dodge fatigue is nullified only if you can cloak succesfully all the time and is simply not the case since cloak will break if you play against competent people,is simply not possible to think that all the fight vs a NB they will reset the fight by just pressing cloak like many people and especially magsorc that come in every NB thread and point at cloak claim.
If a Nb can cloak against you all the time without a problem you should think about what youre doing wrong

also if you think no pet sorc is not strong youre delusional,pet sorc is just faceroll.
Next patch stamina Nb dmg is tuned down too and if you expect a class that can offer only dmg to not have strong dmg then dunno what to say to you.
Magsorc got high damage mobility and defense and better utility in fight with negate yet they are the class that complain about everything,some of them even claim the class is weak or the best one i have read on the forum was"finally after the nerf to merciliess i can play my magsorc instead of my magebalde"because one of the strongest class and the best magika class in the game was somewhat outshined by one of the worst magika class in the game.

i will never understand magika sorc main logic.

Galarthor wrote: »

No other class can dodge indefinitely, b/c no other class has cloak to reset the dodge roll debuffs.

If you think stamblades are not and have not been the / one of the strong class in PvP then you are delusional.

You have the most potent mitigation tool in the game (dodge) for which you do not even have to sacrifice a bar slot and that you can spam definitely - unlike other classes. You got access to cloak and you can teleport through solid objects. All of this pair with the high damage and the lack of viable counterplay and protection against cloak make you the strongest PvP class right next to stamdens.

But one-shotting people from cloak and still crying on the forums how weak stamblades and how OP all other classes are has a proud 5-year tradition in the stamblade community.

What? Since when does cloak reset the stacking debuff that increase the dodge rolling cost?

The only people Stamblades are one shotting are the pvp glass canon noobs who don’t spec for enough defense or rely on proc’d defensive sets that may or may not be up at a given time making them vulnerable.

Btw, I’m not a stamblade I’m a Magblade main, I don’t even have a stamblade.

You Sorcs are delusional. Sorcs are the whiney OP class, and are being buffed despite already being the most numerous class in pvp. I see more every day, if they weren’t OP there wouldn’t be so many of you, always ready to cry on the forums whenever anything would happen to balance you with other classes.

What’s worse is you guys call for nerfs on other classes despite already being stronger.

There’s nothing a stamblade can do that a stamsorc can’t do better with streak, except gank noobs.

@Iskiab

Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.

I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, invisibility is spammable on a stamblade. There's no cooldown like invis pots have. Even if you can only use it four times in a row, that's enough time to get to the target. There's a reason why gank builds are typically associated with NBs. You'd have to be really stubborn to deny this.

You conveniently forget an invis pot lasts 16 seconds and doesn't use stamina.

Cloak lasts 2.5 seconds which if the NB can even cloak 4 times is 10 seconds and uses a bunch of magicka.

A stamblade will never be able to stay in cloak longer than an invis pot duration.

Magblades can cloak from one end of Cyrodiil to another.

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I don’t even care about the other classes I enjoy nb I will buy the Elsweyr just for the story and to support the game just as I always have I don’t care for the necromancer at all nb all I care about magblade and stamblade 😎

Katahdin wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yes, invisibility is spammable on a stamblade. There's no cooldown like invis pots have. Even if you can only use it four times in a row, that's enough time to get to the target. There's a reason why gank builds are typically associated with NBs. You'd have to be really stubborn to deny this.

You conveniently forget an invis pot lasts 16 seconds and doesn't use stamina.

Cloak lasts 2.5 seconds which if the NB can even cloak 4 times is 10 seconds and uses a bunch of magicka.

A stamblade will never be able to stay in cloak longer than an invis pot duration.

Magblades can cloak from one end of Cyrodiil to another.

DId you... did you just tried to imply invis pots are better than cloak? Now I think I've heard it all.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Oh, look. The Nightblade lobby has come out of hiding.
*rolls eyes*

What Galar said is mostly true.
Dodge is very powerful and its main drawback, the fatigue, nullified by Cloak. Another extremely powerful skill.
NBs have INSANE damage output. Well, stamblades. If you think Galar is exaggerating being oneshot out of stealth, well... maybe. But a gank build with Onslaught can easily hit you for 90% of your health. Mind you, you're not seeing the ganker coming thanks to OP spammable invis. So no shields up, unless you were cautious enough. If you still don't believe me, I've seen a friend of mine oneshot an emp out of stealth. And not a potato emp, a somewhat experienced one. Doesn't happen each day, but point is, stamblades have damage. You'd be in denial to disagree.

NBs have historically been very well-rounded in Cyrodiil and among the top classes. Especially stamblades. Hate on sorcs because our stupid pet finally elevated us to top tier, but we've spent years in mid tier before. Whereas NBs have always had a spot in the sun. Your trash talking about sorc players here is highly inappropriate. Make yourselves useful and discuss Incap.

Good nb will always beat you because you rather spend your time here moaning rather then getting good I have never complained about another class and I been playing since release l2p 😎

So much misinformation spread by NBs again - such a shame.

And yes, AoEs are on many classes / builds a waste of a bar slot unless you are running in a ball group or trying to wipe a zerg.

NBs were even complaining about being too weak during the "golden age" of proc sets, when they could literally kill people from cloak before they could do anything about it.

That's by the way also the reason why shields only last 6 seconds these days. Sorcs used to keep them up whiel traveling, giving them the additional HP to survive the inital onslaught of the NBs and thus giving them a chance to fight back. And NBs doing what they do best, cried on the forums how shields are complete OP and b/c the bad Sorcs actually sometimes fight can back unlike the other classes that were free kills. Even during these times NBs had the audacity to claim their class was the weakest and needed buffs.

- Its really hard to take most guys here serious
- neither the guys with the flapping wing pet getting oneshot by a high damage rollerblade build (U know that shields now need around 27-30k hp on a decent magicka build to get decent values and work with impen and resists @Galarthor @Lord-Otto - ofc if u debind breakfree or run 20k hp with divine/infused it will happen )
- If u are talking about gankers while complaining about cloak/roll - I can tell u that if the gank fails those gankblades are 90% of the time free AP because these guys got zero sustain and for sure cant cloak/roll spam...
- Ofc cloak/roll makes stamina rollerblade viable --> why do u guys think its like the only stam class running medium armor with 2h/bow instead of 30k hp SnB heavy... Id like to see some buffs to medium armor stamplars, stamsorc etc. And a nerf to SnB.
- Rollerblade/mSorc are the kings of solo farming pugs. But in a premade battleground stack that plays high MMR u probalby wouldnt want a stamblade in ur team.
- And yes stam nbs/ mSorcs are very strong on the live servers - but stam nb is getting some nerfs now mSorcs hopefully will get those next patch

So what happens if you use Mist Form when silenced via Incap? Do you have to Break Free first?

What happens if you try to Incap someone who is already Mist Forming?

Iskiab wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Iskiab

Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.

I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.

Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.

It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.

AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.

Yes, on a solo build it’s a waste of a bar slot, unless it’s an Ice Blockade.