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Incap Changes in 5.0.4.
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ilcavallo✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »
True. That one doesn't make very much sense either. It should refund some magic imoEdited by ilcavallo on May 13, 2019 8:57PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭I mean the real takeaway here is to just slot Dawnbreaker instead.
Which isn't really ideal, but eh, it's better than unbreakable silence, lol.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub7 -
Zekka✭✭✭✭A bad counterplay measure imo.
These "soft" CCs like Eclipse can very easily become OP in bad latency conditions because unlike "hard" CCs that force your character in a neutral position so you only need one GCD to break free, you are forced to waste one GCD doing nothing just for the game to realize that you are in a position to break free.
ZOS should just drop the stun/silence already, it's what pushes Incap in the overperforming category, compare with Soul Harvest: high damage, 20% damage boost, major defile, 10 ult gen on kill on the slotted bar.
An equivalent Incapacitating Strike would be: high damage, 20% damage boost, major defile, Reave. Even without the stun Incap will still be better than Harvest but not so much better that even magblades will use it like they are doing now.2 -
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✭Vercingetorix wrote: »I just love the fact that with this 5.0.4 change Incapacitating Strike went from being an auto-win against magicka builds to a mild inconvenience to both magicka and stamina builds. With the conclusion of this PTS and the lack of attention in the patch notes to anything else in their toolkit, Nightblades have now been effectively nerfed across the board, lmfao.
This patch was SUPPOSED to nerf Nightblades. That was the point. Every trial was 6 Nightblade dps and and 2 magplars. Heavy armor stamblades and Caalurion mageblades were enjoying an open season in Cyrodill. Somehow you guys cried your way out of most of the intended nerfs, got a few unneeded buffs (Reave, Silence, Grim Mitigation, Cripple Magicka Steal, free mark target, surprise attack armor pen, drain power damage buff, minor vulnerability etc etc...) and will remain the top pve dps class and one of the top pvp classes but are still mad cuz #nerfsarebad. Nerfs are a necessary part of game balance. Stop personalizing balance and focusing solely on the one class you play and look at the game as a whole. Nightblades got more focus this pts than the necromancer which is still an unfinished, buggy Warden 1.5.
I don’t even care about the other classes I enjoy nb I will buy the Elsweyr just for the story and to support the game just as I always have I don’t care for the necromancer at all nb all I care about magblade and stamblade 😎Vercingetorix wrote: »I just love the fact that with this 5.0.4 change Incapacitating Strike went from being an auto-win against magicka builds to a mild inconvenience to both magicka and stamina builds. With the conclusion of this PTS and the lack of attention in the patch notes to anything else in their toolkit, Nightblades have now been effectively nerfed across the board, lmfao.
This patch was SUPPOSED to nerf Nightblades. That was the point. Every trial was 6 Nightblade dps and and 2 magplars. Heavy armor stamblades and Caalurion mageblades were enjoying an open season in Cyrodill. Somehow you guys cried your way out of most of the intended nerfs, got a few unneeded buffs (Reave, Silence, Grim Mitigation, Cripple Magicka Steal, free mark target, surprise attack armor pen, drain power damage buff, minor vulnerability etc etc...) and will remain the top pve dps class and one of the top pvp classes but are still mad cuz #nerfsarebad. Nerfs are a necessary part of game balance. Stop personalizing balance and focusing solely on the one class you play and look at the game as a whole. Nightblades got more focus this pts than the necromancer which is still an unfinished, buggy Warden 1.5.
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Hey mate I know you like to throw the word at others a lot so I’m going to throw it back in your face concerning your mag warden adapt bro l2p 😎Vercingetorix wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »I just love the fact that with this 5.0.4 change Incapacitating Strike went from being an auto-win against magicka builds to a mild inconvenience to both magicka and stamina builds. With the conclusion of this PTS and the lack of attention in the patch notes to anything else in their toolkit, Nightblades have now been effectively nerfed across the board, lmfao.
This patch was SUPPOSED to nerf Nightblades. That was the point. Every trial was 6 Nightblade dps and and 2 magplars. Heavy armor stamblades and Caalurion mageblades were enjoying an open season in Cyrodill. Somehow you guys cried your way out of most of the intended nerfs, got a few unneeded buffs (Reave, Silence, Grim Mitigation, Cripple Magicka Steal, free mark target, surprise attack armor pen, drain power damage buff, minor vulnerability etc etc...) and will remain the top pve dps class and one of the top pvp classes but are still mad cuz #nerfsarebad. Nerfs are a necessary part of game balance. Stop personalizing balance and focusing solely on the one class you play and look at the game as a whole. Nightblades got more focus this pts than the necromancer which is still an unfinished, buggy Warden 1.5.
Relax, I haven't played as a NB in over 2 years. I'm GLAD they got nerfed into the ground. It's been long overdue. NB players complain and waste ZoS' dev time on tuning their already over-tuned class when there are more important things to worry about like the unfinished magicka Warden and now the Necromancer class. Necromancers are NOT a finished class and it's looking like they are going to get the Warden treatment - all because NBs couldn't just shut up about their nerfs and take them on the chin like an adult and ADAPT. Necromancers can't adapt if they have nothing to adapt to - same goes for magicka wardens. ZoS dropped the ball - again - on another chapter release.
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✭Us magblades have to and we don’t even get a strong self heal like your mag warden has 😎1 -
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✭✭✭Does Incap just silence or also dispell effects?
So far- no, from the tests that I have been doing today, silence does not dispell effects. I have tested against 3 skills, 2 hots and 1 dot. The skills tested are swallow soul, refreshing path, and fiery rage (destro ult). All of those 3 items continued to tick after the caster was silenced with incap.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »
True. That one doesn't make very much sense either. It should refund some magic imo
MagDKs death by suicide. I think they adjusted Volatile Armor. Just imagine having Flames of Oblivion, Volatile, and Dragon Fire Scales up while Eclipse is cast on you.
Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭A bad counterplay measure imo.
These "soft" CCs like Eclipse can very easily become OP in bad latency conditions because unlike "hard" CCs that force your character in a neutral position so you only need one GCD to break free, you are forced to waste one GCD doing nothing just for the game to realize that you are in a position to break free.
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^^^^^ this this this this this
Especially because during that lagged out global cool down your kids have grown, having dropped out of middle school to end up selling knock-off Beanie Babies on the corner, and correctly blamed you for not being present with them during their vital early years. Meanwhile you're still Silenced, and also you don't know how to apologize to them nor make it right so you don't say anything to them as you shut the bedroom door in their face.2 -
Nostrabar✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »PREPOSTEROUS!
The reason NBs don't complain much is because deep down they know how lucky they are. You guys have NEVER been nerfed. EVER! Not with a *real* nerf. If they gave Cloak an exponentially increasing cost like Bolt Escape, THAT would be a nerf. You guys get tweaks, not nerfs. Don't even talk to me about nerfs.
LOL, even when you guys get buffs, like 15% mitigation just for weaving light attacks, you guys cry as if you've been nerfed. Do unappreciated buffs count as nerfs for you guys? Stop while you're ahead!
Have you ever actually tried to play a nightblade?8 -
ChefZero✭✭✭✭Does Incap just silence or also dispell effects?
So far- no, from the tests that I have been doing today, silence does not dispell effects. I have tested against 3 skills, 2 hots and 1 dot. The skills tested are swallow soul, refreshing path, and fiery rage (destro ult). All of those 3 items continued to tick after the caster was silenced with incap.
I think dispelling effects and reducing the silence duration from 3 to 1 sec would make Incap more interesting instead of making it CC breakable.PC EU - DC only3 -
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✭Does Incap just silence or also dispell effects?
So far- no, from the tests that I have been doing today, silence does not dispell effects. I have tested against 3 skills, 2 hots and 1 dot. The skills tested are swallow soul, refreshing path, and fiery rage (destro ult). All of those 3 items continued to tick after the caster was silenced with incap.
I think dispelling effects and reducing the silence duration from 3 to 1 sec would make Incap more interesting instead of making it CC breakable.
Also might be pretty OP combined with fear. Sorcs would rage.... like incap>all shields drops>fear>Rip.4 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No reason to slot incap on a stamblade in pvp any more. It's totally useless.
Might even be useless in pve too since bosses will be immune anywayEdited by Katahdin on May 14, 2019 6:37PMBeta tester November 20137 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »Its kinda sad for magblades honestly. Or rather for any class that is not a nightblade or a necromancer because the supposed class update barely changed any, magdk excluded, besides nightblades.
In their zeal to Change nightblades Zos (or a certain dev Maybe?) Chose to completely "balance" around heavy stamnb and forgot that magblades are the ones that Need help real bad (pvpwise) and also forgot that there are other classes that could also do with help or changes for actually usable class abilities and passives (hello stamplar, stamsorc and stamdk Maybe the next update will buff you because it might be the weapon skill line update?
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They just went with the wrong way of approaching things. They should have buffed stamplar, added a stam spammable to the stam sorcs, given some love to magplar, buff concealed and so on. Now they are taking the class identity of stamblade and transforming them in another brawler playing SnB - so that finally every stam class feels the same in the upcoming update. Will just play mag sorc - those are still broken
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@Nostrabar ofc he/she didnt - One of the few mag sorc mains thinking mag sorc is weak . U know what stamblade always was best at: farming potatoes ... Edited by Murador178 on May 14, 2019 9:27PM2 -
ProzTh3Almighty✭✭✭For me Incap was never about the stun. Its about the conditional dmg buff to hit followed up with your bow etc....0
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✭ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »For me Incap was never about the stun. Its about the conditional dmg buff to hit followed up with your bow etc....
On magblade this is typically considered part of the combo. Stamblade has a much easier time just spamming surprise attack with the empowerment. Though I have seen some super good stamblades use the bow proc very efficiently. But much fewer than the SA spammers that still hit hilariously hard.0 -
Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Incapacitating Strike: The Silence from this ability can now be CC broken, and cannot be activated on targets who are already affected by a CC effect.
Note that this change is exclusive to Incapacitating Strike, and will not apply to other Silences, such as Negate Magic, since those are area effect-based pulsing durations, versus instantaneous duration-based effects.Developer Comment: As mentioned in the 5.0.3 patch notes, the goal with the change to Incapacitating Strike’s conditional bonus was to tone down some of the shut-down mechanic to it, since Silences are essentially stuns that allow the target to continue moving, blocking, and dodging. We are aware of the nature that Silences have in terms of effectiveness on varying builds, which is why we found the ability to CC break this effect would be an ideal compromise; it still has the counter play options of a traditional stun, but no longer needs to always be broken.
How about we get some abilities that hurt stamina builds but are harmless to magicka builds for a change? It's not enough that magicka builds have already had negate only affecting them and were lacking counters to roots and slows, no the magicka bashing has had to continue ... . We are 5 years into the game and we are still waiting for a "Silence" equivalent to stamina builds.
Templar had the blinding light or something that actually had some sort chance to fight against stamina. This game really needs some sort of skill that shutdowns stamina skills. Maybe give it to magblade or magplar.1 -
Nostrabar✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »...
@Nostrabar ofc he/she didnt - One of the few mag sorc mains thinking mag sorc is weak . U know what stamblade always was best at: farming potatoes ...
I assume they couldn't take a long look at themselves all that well, what with that Twilight in the way...
It's always fun to hear people (particularly streamers) drone on about nightblades being over<adjective>, and then, without a drop of shame, admit they tried one and couldn't make a go of it. The later fob off about "play style" or "group utility" is particularly galling as well.2 -
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✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
Wow. Just 100% wrong here.
The tiers are:
#1. StamBlade, MagSorc, StamDen.
#2. Everyone else.
Stamblade shouldn’t be up there, only amongst forum warrior sorcs.Murador178 wrote: »...
@Nostrabar ofc he/she didnt - One of the few mag sorc mains thinking mag sorc is weak . U know what stamblade always was best at: farming potatoes ...
I assume they couldn't take a long look at themselves all that well, what with that Twilight in the way...
It's always fun to hear people (particularly streamers) drone on about nightblades being over<adjective>, and then, without a drop of shame, admit they tried one and couldn't make a go of it. The later fob off about "play style" or "group utility" is particularly galling as well.
This. All the people who complain about Stamblades never play them, then run around in groups or 1vX as Wardens and Sorcs.
Where are these Stamblades dominating? I’ve never seen it.Edited by Iskiab on May 16, 2019 4:13AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten7 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamblades aren’t dead these nerfs suck but we will find another disgusting way to play it and I’m sure you noobs will cry again next pts 😂3 -
TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
That looks like a BG’s best to worst honestly. That doesn’t translate to cp open world. In CP-OW Stamblade gets pushed up there with Magsorc and stamwarden.
Let me add, there’s is no definitive best to worst that successfully encompasses all areas and scenarios. Except Magsorc is top dawg in all formats.
The only thing going for stamblade in CP pvp is dodge rolling. People haven’t clued into dodge rolling having nothing to do with Nightblade, any stamina class can do the same thing, and in fact it’s stronger on a stamsorc.
I also think stamwardens are stronger then magsorcs.
Most people confuse the class with things that have nothing to do with the class’ toolkit. Like dodge rolling as a stamblade or reach for sorcs with the weapon that buffs a DESTRO staff ability.
Yes, and why can they roll so often? a) CP and b) medium armor.
Why are they able to be in medium armor without sacrificing damage/sustain for defense? ...because they have access to the best damage mitigating skill in the game - cloak.Edited by TriangularChicken on May 16, 2019 1:32PM3 -
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✭No other class can dodge indefinitely, b/c no other class has cloak to reset the dodge roll debuffs.
If you think stamblades are not and have not been the / one of the strong class in PvP then you are delusional.
You have the most potent mitigation tool in the game (dodge) for which you do not even have to sacrifice a bar slot and that you can spam definitely - unlike other classes. You got access to cloak and you can teleport through solid objects. All of this pair with the high damage and the lack of viable counterplay and protection against cloak make you the strongest PvP class right next to stamdens.
But one-shotting people from cloak and still crying on the forums how weak stamblades and how OP all other classes are has a proud 5-year tradition in the stamblade community.5 -
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✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Because the point was to nerf it.
And it's nerfed.
Magika builds are not being shut down.
Incap is nerfed against stamina builds and to a lesser extend against magika builds.
There you have it.
Now buff stamDK
Nerf SnB
Nerf DB
Nerf sorc
Delete Fury
seriously?
Someone died....what do you expect when you see a nerf whine in a topic completely different.Deathlord92 wrote: »I main stamblade but I also love magblade I was hoping for a good self heal nb as a class is awesome show some love to the magblade 🙏
I feel you but Zos hates Magblades, even the ones that play 100% visible. These changes are just lazy and as if someone was high when making them....Wow, incap looks like it will be useless now. It’s not the end of the world, dawnbreaker on every stamina class now in pvp?
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✭✭✭✭✭I still can not grasp my head arround Incap changes. Out of all effects they could have add... they have chosen silence. Why ? Why would you do that ? Did any one seriusly asked for this ?
I am a nb main, played all types, stam, mag and hybrid. Even amongs NBs themselfes this feels like a dumb change. Literaly No One feels happy about it.
Did they simply made an idea brainstorm of what they can add to incap and it was like: Ok, so what are your ideas ?*silence / crickets*
*silence / crickets*
*silence / crickets*
*silence / crickets*
That is briliant idea team !
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✭✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »Its kinda sad for magblades honestly. Or rather for any class that is not a nightblade or a necromancer because the supposed class update barely changed any, magdk excluded, besides nightblades.
In their zeal to Change nightblades Zos (or a certain dev Maybe?) Chose to completely "balance" around heavy stamnb and forgot that magblades are the ones that Need help real bad (pvpwise) and also forgot that there are other classes that could also do with help or changes for actually usable class abilities and passives (hello stamplar, stamsorc and stamdk Maybe the next update will buff you because it might be the weapon skill line update? ).
So much this.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0
