Sunspire Senche in the Crown Store - Please don't do this!

Jhalin · May 2019

Swiftfox_Bouncyface wrote: »

Controversial? You mean as controversial as every other special snowflake casul? "Achievement elitism" is a the way someone chose to play so yea let's make it brain dead for all special snowflakes to have anything they want without moving a finger

P.S.
It's not as fun as doing quests for some for instance

Anyone praising this change is a scourge on this game

They just keep trying to remove any aspect of challenge to get rewards, it’s lazy and ZOS is going to milk them over and over while people who actually want a GAME just get a cash shop with RPG elements

Wolfkeks · May 2019

I liked how they did it with the Asylum Sanctum. They made a a crown store version of the polymorph but in a different color.
Or the spiderkith skin which you could buy in purple in the crown store. (Forgot the name)
And yeah, I think it's nice that they want to add the mount from the sunspire dragonbreak achievement in the crown store so that everyone has the chance to have this mount. But it bugs me that it is almost the same.
If they would make the upper part fire and the other ice I would have no problem with that, it would be different but it would be a similar mount.

Facefister · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

As it currently stands, there are two almost identical senches in the game files. They have different description texts and different item IDs.
First one is a crown store item and has a leather saddle. The other one has a golden saddle and can be earned by completing the new trial Sunspire on hardmode, with no-death and speedrun.

I know there has been another topic on this, with people looking at this picture and just saying "hurrdurr it's the same mount in different lighting hurrdurr", but the item IDs and the description texts speak for themselves. The Achievement senche is described as "a special variant" of the other one, with the difference mentioned being the golden gear and saddle.

When they introduced the Asylum polymorph and sold a different colored version (silver instead of gold/bronze) in the cash shop a while later, i already thought that was pretty bold, but these mounts have even smaller differences between them and this is a step too far IMO. With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

This is like the Malatar skin, "casuals" complained about the skin being "unreachable" for the "common player". That's the result.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2019

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I wounder what would be people's reaction if they started selling in Crown store Dro M'athra skin with an extra blue vinyl on it to be classified as different.

So many people have glitched that skin for free in the past that no one would care since everyone and their cat has it. They can sell the regular Dro-M'athra in the store and it wouldn't matter since it's worn out and easy to get now.

p00tx · May 2019

Doesn't matter anyway. Here's what will end up happening:

Those of us who are capable of running this content will progress and run it, get our goofy mounts, and run around on them for a few days. The Crown Store version will drop and the casuals will get their chance to pretend they put in the time to progress the content, and the end game community will never run that mount again. It will become an embarrassment to be seen with it on the off chance you'll be perceived as another wannabe.

With the amount of people who currently get carries from friends or pay for skin carries, even skins themselves are losing their in-game prestige. The only things that really mark a good player these days are their titles, and so far, you can't buy those in the crown store.

Facefister · May 2019

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I wounder what would be people's reaction if they started selling in Crown store Dro M'athra skin with an extra blue vinyl on it to be classified as different.

So many people have glitched that skin for free in the past that no one would care since everyone and their cat has it. They can sell the regular Dro-M'athra in the store and it wouldn't matter since it's worn out and easy to get now.

Same goes for the vAS skin.

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Funny how some think the 'casuals' who get the mount want it because they care about what other players think of them, instead of, y'know, getting it because it looks nice and they like it for its design, and nothing else. Especially if they have to spend actual money to get it, not virtual gold.

Both versions look too gaudy for me so I'm sticking to my 'boring' leopard senche, thanks.

Jhalin · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Funny how some think the 'casuals' who get the mount want it because they care about what other players think of them, instead of, y'know, getting it because it looks nice and they like it for its design, and nothing else. Especially if they have to spend actual money to get it, not virtual gold.

Both versions look too gaudy for me so I'm sticking to my 'boring' leopard senche, thanks.

Casuals don’t want any cosmetic to require effort, that’s the problem

Casuals still had the gal to claim regular non-hm, non-speed run, non-no death, regular vet was too hard for the skin

It’s not about looks, it’s about them not wanting someone having an item that proves skill over them. Ego inferiority complexes means ZOS caters to them and removes prestige from actual skilled gameplay rewards

Matchimus · May 2019

They could set it up that we all automatically bow in the presence of these achievers...after all it is the recognition you are after.

TriangularChicken · May 2019

p00tx wrote: »

Doesn't matter anyway. Here's what will end up happening:

Those of us who are capable of running this content will progress and run it, get our goofy mounts, and run around on them for a few days. The Crown Store version will drop and the casuals will get their chance to pretend they put in the time to progress the content, and the end game community will never run that mount again. It will become an embarrassment to be seen with it on the off chance you'll be perceived as another wannabe.

With the amount of people who currently get carries from friends or pay for skin carries, even skins themselves are losing their in-game prestige. The only things that really mark a good player these days are their titles, and so far, you can't buy those in the crown store.

I see this in a similar way, in the end they can buy all the skins and mounts they want but they will never be able to buy skill. After all, good players know each other.. you can't simply pay money to be part of the end game raiding community.

Nebthet78 · May 2019

TriangularChicken wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Doesn't matter anyway. Here's what will end up happening:

Those of us who are capable of running this content will progress and run it, get our goofy mounts, and run around on them for a few days. The Crown Store version will drop and the casuals will get their chance to pretend they put in the time to progress the content, and the end game community will never run that mount again. It will become an embarrassment to be seen with it on the off chance you'll be perceived as another wannabe.

With the amount of people who currently get carries from friends or pay for skin carries, even skins themselves are losing their in-game prestige. The only things that really mark a good player these days are their titles, and so far, you can't buy those in the crown store.

I see this in a similar way, in the end they can buy all the skins and mounts they want but they will never be able to buy skill. After all, good players know each other.. you can't simply pay money to be part of the end game raiding community.

No, but you can pay them to carry you through the Trial so you get the achievement, the skin and the mount. LOL

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2019

Facefister wrote: »

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I wounder what would be people's reaction if they started selling in Crown store Dro M'athra skin with an extra blue vinyl on it to be classified as different.

So many people have glitched that skin for free in the past that no one would care since everyone and their cat has it. They can sell the regular Dro-M'athra in the store and it wouldn't matter since it's worn out and easy to get now.

Same goes for the vAS skin.

Not quite. Most of people who were glitching vAS+2 got banned soon after and the trial was fixed somewhat quickly. vMoL was left broken for god knows how long and they only banned people who made youtube videos showing themselves glitching it. People who did the glitch and didn't announce to the internet that they did it were free and clear.

woe · May 2019

To all the people crying about this, stop playing ESO. They do things like this for people that don't own or play dlc/harder content that want to RP or have cosmetics applied to their characters. Yes i understand that you get cool rewards and it's acknowledgement for beating the hardest things and that's definitely an achievement worth showing off. The real facts are that a lot of people don't have time or skill to do that *** and they offer purchasable options for them. The differences should be greater than a slight color change though, that's too close.

snarkomatic · May 2019

deflorate wrote: »

To all the people crying about this, stop playing ESO. They do things like this for people that don't own or play dlc/harder content that want to RP or have cosmetics applied to their characters. Yes i understand that you get cool rewards and it's acknowledgement for beating the hardest things and that's definitely an achievement worth showing off. The real facts are that a lot of people don't have time or skill to do that *** and they offer purchasable options for them. The differences should be greater than a slight color change though, that's too close.

It's that last qualifying sentence everyone is upset about, clearly. No need to tell us to "stop playing ESO" when you agree with what is being said...

code65536 · May 2019

Nebthet78 wrote: »

TriangularChicken wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Doesn't matter anyway. Here's what will end up happening:

Those of us who are capable of running this content will progress and run it, get our goofy mounts, and run around on them for a few days. The Crown Store version will drop and the casuals will get their chance to pretend they put in the time to progress the content, and the end game community will never run that mount again. It will become an embarrassment to be seen with it on the off chance you'll be perceived as another wannabe.

With the amount of people who currently get carries from friends or pay for skin carries, even skins themselves are losing their in-game prestige. The only things that really mark a good player these days are their titles, and so far, you can't buy those in the crown store.

I see this in a similar way, in the end they can buy all the skins and mounts they want but they will never be able to buy skill. After all, good players know each other.. you can't simply pay money to be part of the end game raiding community.

No, but you can pay them to carry you through the Trial so you get the achievement, the skin and the mount. LOL

You'll notice that while there are people who sell Malatar skin carries, nobody sells Scalecaller skin carries. People sell vAS skins. But never Immortal Redeemer titles. People sell vHoF skins, but never Tick-Tock titles. Sunspire skins, I can see being sold. But you'll never see anyone offering to sell the Sunspire mount.

There are many things that you just cannot carry because they are too difficult. Trifecta achievements are not carry-able. And the Sunspire trifecta is by far harder than any existing trial trifecta and is one of the achievements required to get the mount.

kargen27 · May 2019

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Whats the point of doing hard achievements if the next random dude that never has seen a trial from the inside just swipes the creditcard and literally has the same reward.
Rewarding people for a great achievement that gets nullified by the *** crownstore. Not a fan.....

The point is all the fun you had doing it. Personally I don't think there should be anything in the crown store that is exclusive to the crown store. I think there should be an in game option to purchase with gold for most items. Players are getting carries by paying gold and we seem okay with that for the most part (or indifferent) so just take out the middle man and give us something to spend our gold on.

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Doesn't sound like ego inferiority is at play here. Kind of the opposite if they're this paranoid no one can tell the difference. Unfortunately, ZoS isn't going to change this regardless of how loud it's being complained about.

In the end, it's your choice whether you use the mount or not. People who don't care for what other people have or achieved in a game (I know, how dare they) will still get the less fancy version and they won't even know about the free version since they don't come on the forums. Even more so if no one uses the champion version as a way to 'strike'. It's your loss; you're the one missing out. What are you gonna do everytime you see someone riding a non trial version? Internalize that anger? Build resentment? No one but yourself cares. Everyone else is just living their life.

Sylvermynx · May 2019

Svenja wrote: »

BoraxFlux wrote: »

If I were Crown Store I'd put a Sunspire Cub Pet in the Crown Store, then the set would be complete!

There is one coming up of those.

Oh now, THAT is adorable! Not into the mounts, but I definitely want that pet!

Ohtimbar · May 2019

I don't want the mount, but these threads make me want to gift the ugly thing to several of the most casual players I know.

Hiruda · May 2019

[snip] they never said the mount was "exclusive" to the trial, it's clearly say "we are offering a mount as a reward for those players"
Not we are offering a exlusive mount as a reward for those players,”

[edited for baiting]

ApostateHobo · May 2019

I don't even do trials and I think it's pretty sucky to sell the exact same thing in the crown store. What would be the point of all the effort to get the achievement version when you could just buy it?

peacenote · May 2019

Ty, forums, for this thread!

I see both sides of the "achievement" discussion and I would lean towards the folks advocating to keep the achievement items more clearly unique... but I don't care that much either way.

HOWEVER there's also the flip side of it.... the moment you realize you could have gotten ALMOST THE SAME ITEM "for free" via an achievement after you buy it in the Crown Store. Which might have happened to me if it wasn't for this thread. I don't spend hours checking the achievement awards - I let myself be surprised when I get them.

Everyone loses when this happens. We would all benefit more from two senches that are clearly different colors or more distinct from each other in some other way. These two are so close to each other I certainly don't need both and definitely would not spend crowns on it...

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2019

code65536 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

TriangularChicken wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Doesn't matter anyway. Here's what will end up happening:

Those of us who are capable of running this content will progress and run it, get our goofy mounts, and run around on them for a few days. The Crown Store version will drop and the casuals will get their chance to pretend they put in the time to progress the content, and the end game community will never run that mount again. It will become an embarrassment to be seen with it on the off chance you'll be perceived as another wannabe.

With the amount of people who currently get carries from friends or pay for skin carries, even skins themselves are losing their in-game prestige. The only things that really mark a good player these days are their titles, and so far, you can't buy those in the crown store.

I see this in a similar way, in the end they can buy all the skins and mounts they want but they will never be able to buy skill. After all, good players know each other.. you can't simply pay money to be part of the end game raiding community.

No, but you can pay them to carry you through the Trial so you get the achievement, the skin and the mount. LOL

You'll notice that while there are people who sell Malatar skin carries, nobody sells Scalecaller skin carries. People sell vAS skins. But never Immortal Redeemer titles. People sell vHoF skins, but never Tick-Tock titles. Sunspire skins, I can see being sold. But you'll never see anyone offering to sell the Sunspire mount.

There are many things that you just cannot carry because they are too difficult. Trifecta achievements are not carry-able. And the Sunspire trifecta is by far harder than any existing trial trifecta and is one of the achievements required to get the mount.

Agree with everything except for the Scalecaller skin. We've ran a bunch of people through the Scalecaller achievements for their skin. The hardmode is a bit rough if one dps is just gonna be a floormat, but the speedrun and no-death are pretty simple.

Mr_Walker · May 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

The point is all the fun you had doing it.

People claim it's all about the sense of achievement they get, but it's really about getting a skin that makes you look like a boiled lolly, or riding around on a truly hideous mount.

Zephyris_Kalnoris · May 2019

Who will pay few mil for carry on if there will be almost identical mount in Crown Store?

HighKinlady · May 2019

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I wounder what would be people's reaction if they started selling in Crown store Dro M'athra skin with an extra blue vinyl on it to be classified as different.

We wouldn’t care . That skin is old . Not only that but so many people cheesed that skin that it’s a cosmetic more than an achievement . We always assume you bought it

corpseblade · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Funny how some think the 'casuals' who get the mount want it because they care about what other players think of them, instead of, y'know, getting it because it looks nice and they like it for its design, and nothing else. Especially if they have to spend actual money to get it, not virtual gold.

Both versions look too gaudy for me so I'm sticking to my 'boring' leopard senche, thanks.

Casuals don’t want any cosmetic to require effort, that’s the problem

Casuals still had the gal to claim regular non-hm, non-speed run, non-no death, regular vet was too hard for the skin

It’s not about looks, it’s about them not wanting someone having an item that proves skill over them. Ego inferiority complexes means ZOS caters to them and removes prestige from actual skilled gameplay rewards

Newsflash. Most casuals don't even know what endgame rewards there are or what title means what. There is no prestige from "skilled gameplay rewards" except in that competitive mindset.

This game is huge and encompasses a variety of playstyles. People buying cosmetic items like to look nice while having fun. They shouldn't be looked down upon nor do they have "ego inferiority complexes".

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

I bet if ZOS swapped the crown mount with the two furnishing statues people will still QQ.

Svenja · May 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Svenja wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Harcore players are the most selfish, envious and presumptuous players.

What does it matter if there is someone with the same mount at your side and I buy it with crowns?

You got it for free and with effort and you know it, i do not understand the need to want to shout it to the world.

I think it's good that there are two options, there are people who can not do it because of time or disability, they deserve it too.

I don't want ZOS to tell me "With this mount, we wanted to give something special and unique to our endgame raiders to work for" in their Livestream if that is not the case. I feel lied to and I hate that feeling.
That's on me though, for believing marketing blabla.

I wouldn't have felt remotely as disappointed had they said "We have a nice crown store mount coming up, and our raiders can even earn it ingame instead of having to spend crowns."

Does that bother you? that ZOS has lied to you? ZOS lies all the time.

I already lost count of how many times i read that they fixed the group finder.

Yes, it does bother me, I hate getting lied to and that ZOS has done that before doesn't make it better now

lelink88 · May 2019

c'mon atleast use another colour