Sunspire Senche in the Crown Store - Please don't do this!
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✭DovahkiinHeart wrote: »Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable. XD
OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!
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OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!
On second thought, change the Champion mount into an awesome golden saddle and armor Ice fire Senche-Raht, since it makes sense because the trial is *full* of Senche-raht (like the dro m'athra senche, but with an ice-fire twist).
Edited by DovahkiinHeart on May 18, 2019 12:32AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭DovahkiinHeart wrote: »Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable.
Why shouldn’t they? It’s certainly not distinguishable as is, and unless it goes through a major shift anyway, the two will remain indestinguishable
Give the endgame community a real, proper reward that people can’t just buy4 -
Greystag✭✭✭✭If anything I think they should make a fire senche, kinda like how we got the frost senche (even if it was a crown crate exclusive).| PC / EU |
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DovahkiinHeart✭✭✭Why shouldn’t they? It’s certainly not distinguishable as is, and unless it goes through a major shift anyway, the two will remain indestinguishable
Because the majority of the player base is casual and they are larger than the endgame community. They're the ones spending crowns on cosmetics and contributing more funds for the game. Some people also have disabilities and they will never be able to get the achievements, that doesn't mean they're lower than you or that they don't have the right to enjoy an Ice Fire Senche as well.
The Senche-Lion is not the equivalent to a Senche-Raht. The AS polymorphs were still similar, just differently colored, and people were generally fine with that arrangement. ZOS tries to be open and fair to all of it's communities. There's other communities like housing, role-playing, fishing, etc. They want everyone to have equal opportunity to get it.The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress
They've already established that it will be a Ice fire Senche-Lion, even if it will look clearly different. What incentive does ZOS have to change it, when the same players who would buy the Lion model isn't into the bulky Raht model? That's cutting off a potential source of revenue for them.
If you really don't see the issue here, then there shouldn't be any complaints if they change the Champion ice fire senche lion into a champion ice fire senche raht with the same golden tack, and just leave the CS mount as it is. Because you will still have real, proper reward that people can’t just buy.Edited by DovahkiinHeart on May 18, 2019 7:37AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭DovahkiinHeart wrote: »Why shouldn’t they? It’s certainly not distinguishable as is, and unless it goes through a major shift anyway, the two will remain indestinguishable
Because the majority of the player base is casual and they are larger than the endgame community. They're the ones spending crowns on cosmetics and contributing more funds for the game. Some people also have disabilities and they will never be able to get the achievements, that doesn't mean they're lower than you or that they don't have the right to enjoy an Ice Fire Senche as well.
The Senche-Lion is not the equivalent to a Senche-Raht. The AS polymorphs were still similar, just differently colored, and people were generally fine with that arrangement. ZOS tries to be open and fair to all of it's communities. There's other communities like housing, role-playing, fishing, etc. They want everyone to have equal opportunity to get it.The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress
They've already established that it will be a Ice fire Senche-Lion, even if it will look clearly different. What incentive does ZOS have to change it, when the same players who would buy the Lion model isn't into the bulky Raht model? That's cutting off a potential source of revenue for them.
If you really don't see the issue here, then there shouldn't be any complaints if they change the Champion ice fire senche lion into a champion ice fire senche raht with the same golden tack, and just leave the CS mount as it is. Because you will still have real, proper reward that people can’t just buy.
The unique model brought in with Elsweyr done up fancy for Elsweyr’s full trial would be a much better option. They aren’t losing customers putting the more unique one as a trial reward because it’s not being purchased. People expect the same old reskinned senche model in the store, something better for the trial would be a step in the right direction for this game.2 -
VDoom1✭✭✭✭✭If anything I think they should make a fire senche, kinda like how we got the frost senche (even if it was a crown crate exclusive).
Excellent idea! Same as how the frost horse also came but we never saw any pure fire horse.
I agree with what's previously been said. Making the trial mount a different model, Senche Raht for example, would make it more unique. So there is no real way to get that really epic and unique looking mount, except the hard way.
People who don't do trials or hardmode could then at least get the same skin of the trial mount in the store, but on a normal Senche.
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DovahkiinHeart✭✭✭Making the trial mount a different model, Senche Raht for example, would make it more unique. So there is no real way to get that really epic and unique looking mount, except the hard way.
People who don't do trials or hardmode could then at least get the same skin of the trial mount in the store, but on a normal Senche.
Txs for the update Gina!
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DovahkiinHeart✭✭✭DP woops, but oh well.They aren’t losing customers putting the more unique one as a trial reward because it’s not being purchased.
If people see a mount they want, and can pay for, they will pay for it. If they don't want a specific mount, they won't spend a dime on it. If we take hypothetical scenarios in which ZOS puts an Ice-Fire Senche Lion (heavily edited, mind you to be distinguishable from its trial cousin) in the CS in one, and an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another, the customers who see the trial Senche-Lion and want a similar version, or just want a Senche version, have the option of buying a less fancy version in the store. Because they are fundamentally the same mount, just visually different, there is no gate that bars them from buying a mount that they equally have the right to enjoy, circumstances being taking into consideration. Thus, ZOS is not losing potential customers because there is an avenue for those players.
What sort of 'equivalency' would there be to get the players to spend crowns on a mount if it's an entirely different mount? Why would players who would have purchased the Ice-Fire Senche Lion in one scenario, choose to buy a an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another scenario, when its design doesn't appeal to them? The fact that not every player purchased the special edition of Elsweyr (which comes with a Senche-Raht mount) suggests that aside from the mementos and other small perks, not everyone likes the design of the mount itself.
I stand corrected, ya'll.Edited by DovahkiinHeart on May 18, 2019 9:00AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭DovahkiinHeart wrote: »DP woops, but oh well.They aren’t losing customers putting the more unique one as a trial reward because it’s not being purchased.
If people see a mount they want, and can pay for, they will pay for it. If they don't want a specific mount, they won't spend a dime on it. If we take hypothetical scenarios in which ZOS puts an Ice-Fire Senche Lion (heavily edited, mind you to be distinguishable from its trial cousin) in the CS in one, and an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another, the customers who see the trial Senche-Lion and want a similar version, or just want a Senche version, have the option of buying a less fancy version in the store. Because they are fundamentally the same mount, just visually different, there is no gate that bars them from buying a mount that they equally have the right to enjoy, circumstances being taking into consideration. Thus, ZOS is not losing potential customers because there is an avenue for those players.
What sort of 'equivalency' would there be to get the players to spend crowns on a mount if it's an entirely different mount? Why would players who would have purchased the Ice-Fire Senche Lion in one scenario, choose to buy a an Ice-Fire Senche Raht in another scenario, when its design doesn't appeal to them? The fact that not every player purchased the special edition of Elsweyr (which comes with a Senche-Raht mount) suggests that aside from the mementos and other small perks, not everyone likes the design of the mount itself.
Please read what I have written
The senche-RHAT would be given the appropriate textures and VFX then awarded for Sunspire trial achievements. Never available in the store, it should be a trial exclusive in every way
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DovahkiinHeart✭✭✭Please read what I have written
The senche-RHAT would be given the appropriate textures and VFX then awarded for Sunspire trial achievements. Never available in the store, it should be a trial exclusive in every way
Nothing about the purchasable mount would be effected
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You're right.
Now that I think about, that means endgame community can get that mount AND the IF Senche-Lion in the CS (if they even want to).Edited by DovahkiinHeart on May 18, 2019 8:56AM1 -
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✭✭Soooo.......
It just means we have two ways of getting a realy naff looking mount....... why the big hooo haaa?
Wouldn’t use it if they gave it away free, it’s a ludicrous looking lump of nonsense 🤢5 -
Eldartar✭✭✭✭Integral1900 wrote: »Soooo.......
It just means we have two ways of getting a realy naff looking mount....... why the big hooo haaa?
Wouldn’t use it if they gave it away free, it’s a ludicrous looking lump of nonsense 🤢
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✭✭✭DovahkiinHeart wrote: »Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable. XD
OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!
It really wouldn't.1 -
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✭✭I think it's a bit of a tacky move on the part of developers."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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✭✭✭I remember the days, when there was no such a thing like achievements. The days, people still used their imagination to define success in a game.
I know.
You knew you had done it and that was the point.
Now, you have to be told what you have achieved (because you have no memory of it, apparently) and be bribed to do it, in future, because you don't actually enjoy doing it.
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✭✭✭Swiftfox_Bouncyface wrote: »
Controversial? You mean as controversial as every other special snowflake casul? "Achievement elitism" is a the way someone chose to play so yea let's make it brain dead for all special snowflakes to have anything they want without moving a finger
P.S.
It's not as fun as doing quests for some for instance
Anyone praising this change is a scourge on this game
They just keep trying to remove any aspect of challenge to get rewards, it’s lazy and ZOS is going to milk them over and over while people who actually want a GAME just get a cash shop with RPG elements
No, people with inflated egos, which need constant massaging, are a scourge on every game.
Always have been, always will be.
So to be clear you think skilled players wanting a reward for all their hard work and time spent in the game are what bring a game down, not the people who want nothing to be exclusive to in-game player, who want all reward for skill played to be purchasable with next to no effort?
The "reward" is supposed to be the fun of playing and the accomplishment of succeeding.
If you don't enjoy doing trials and you don't gain any kind of sense of accomplishment, from having completed them, just do yourself (and us all) a massive favour and stop doing them.
Ah and I’m sure if universities pulled all sports scholarships and said the players should just put all that work in for “just fun” or “why don’t you shut up and quit”, that would go over well wouldn’t it
Um, this isn't a "scholarship" for people who, otherwise, might not be able to afford to go to school.
It's a cr*ppy-looking reward, for those who have to be bribed to play parts of the game they chose to buy, because they don't actually enjoy them.
...and if sports players don't enjoy playing their sport, yes they should absolutely quit doing it and leave it to those who do.
It's all "bread and circuses", anyway.Edited by Tigerseye on May 18, 2019 11:11AM5 -
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✭✭✭lassitershawn wrote: »You guys are right, the mount should totally be available with money, because people work hard in real life for their money, just like they work for this mount. Only makes sense. To make it super fair, I believe that the mount should cost as much as the average hourly wage (~$24 in US) * the number of hours it takes to get the achievement. I SERIOUSLY doubt any group completes the achievement in sub 100 hours of practice, probably a lot more for most groups. If anyone who does endgame raiding wants to contest this point I'll revise my estimate but I think 100 is being very generous. I'd guess one of my two groups has put in a solid 50-70 on PTS already, most of us are also practicing with other groups, and we aren't even close. Therefore, for the sake of MAXIMUM FAIRNESS ONLY, the crown store mount should cost 2400 USD.
It's never a direct conversion, like that, though.
In GW2, you can easily convert currency, either way, via an ingame currency converter - gold to store currency and vice versa.
The amount of ingame hours it takes to earn the gold for x amount of store currency is always way more than even minimum wage would be (in all developed parts of the world), in real life.
Partly because people, from all over the world, play and partly, because you are supposed to be enjoying playing more than you enjoy working, in real life.
That is why, if you don't, you should just stop doing it.3 -
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Fortunately most people obsess over having fancy glowing mounts that are not horses.
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✭DovahkiinHeart wrote: »Lol. No, they're not going to go back and change a Senche-Lion model into a Senche-Raht model just because some ppl, despite reassurances from official sources, still feel insecure that their mount isn't distinguishable. XD
OMG imagine a fire-ice-senche-raht! That would be so awesome!
It really wouldn't.
It really would
Personally I like the senche-raht a lot, looks bulky but I like that But then again, personal opinion 
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Problem is, that most players won't recognize the achievement of owning an exclusive mount or skin that can be only earned in super hard content. Only the few that are actively working on getting the mount will notice that you already got it, and those will know the difference between the one from the crown store and the one from the trial.xMovingTarget wrote: »Nobody will notice the color of the leather. People see a ice senche with orange feet. That is all they notice. And literally perfecting a run in sunspire to get this will be hard.
The vast majority of people see an ice senche with orange feet, just another weirdo mount among many. Nobody is going to care how you got it, unless they want their own. Most will assume it was a limited-time crown store item anyway.
The very few who like the mount and ask you how you got it, won't admire you, but be angry at ZOS that they'll never get one.
Edited by Toanis on May 18, 2019 1:07PM4 -
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✭✭This could have been a very good April's Fools joke.
Sadly, it is a bit too late for such jokes xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please don't release crown store type of achievement related features.
What's next ? A different type of Emperor's regalia in the crown store ?
It is unwise to diminish the normally unlocked related features.Edited by Universe on May 18, 2019 1:17PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
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✭✭✭People complain over the stupidest things, I swear.
"It devalues the reward of doing HM". And yet people are still going to do the HM because some people enjoy that challenge. The rewards are nice and all but aren't the only reason to do HM either. So what if a Whale buys the discount model, you got the real Prada Bag. Let them fake success all they want, it doesn't mean they are.Argonian forever2 -
bentmer✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »People complain over the stupidest things, I swear.
"It devalues the reward of doing HM". And yet people are still going to do the HM because some people enjoy that challenge. The rewards are nice and all but aren't the only reason to do HM either. So what if a Whale buys the discount model, you got the real Prada Bag. Let them fake success all they want, it doesn't mean they are.
The vast majority of people who will buy the mount in the crown store will have no idea it's cousin is rewarded for an achievement in a Trial. They aren't trying to fake anything, they probably just liked the aesthetics of it. I'm not trying to attack you because I agree this is a making a mountain out of a mole hill but this idea that everyone who buys this mount is trying to trick people is mostly false. Yes, I'm sure there's gonna be a few exceptions, but it will be incredibly rare.
Let's say you have a favorite restaurant that you go to all the time. And this restaurant has an item that's on the menu where if you can finish it in x amount of time, you get a free steak dinner for the accomplishment. Maybe you've tried and failed to do it a few times, but finally you've been able to do it. Congratulations, you just got your free steak dinner. Maybe they take a picture of you and put it on a wall. Around the same time, somebody sees the steak dinner on the menu and orders it. Is he trying to fake his way into making people believe he did your accomplishment or does he simply want to have a steak dinner?Edited by bentmer on May 18, 2019 2:23PM6 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We’d like to thank everyone for sharing feedback, and offer a friendly reminder that any datamined images or information are subject to change until they are officially released. The final look of the Sunspire Ice-Fire Senche-Lion mount (the one that will be available from the Crown Store) is still in progress, but it will have a more clearly differentiated look compared to the Sunspire Champion Senche-Lion mount (the one obtained from the challenging Sunspire Dragonbreak Trial achievement).
Here’s an idea, instead of the same old senche, use a senche-rhat model with the ice and fire aesthetics
Make it unmistakably different, from the base up
i mean lets not spoil the reskins for the next raid tier already!@Solar_Breeze
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ibkickin✭✭I can tell I am DEFINITELY in the minority on being excited for this mount but I will agree with you it's unfair that there's very little visual differences between the two, there should be a significant difference to separate those who earned it and those who bought it. If I was even somewhat competent and had earned that with sweat, blood, and tears, I'd be upset too. However I am not that person and I'm happy such a thing exists, [snip]
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✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »Arguing about such a horrible mount seems silly to me. I´d rather be pissed if the awesome statuettes you get from the trial were for sale. But that ice-fire abomination? It is a incentive to not do the extra dificult achievments. All the hard work, and you get punished with that monster
It really is an ugly looking mount- not going to lie2 -
tim99✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Does it really matter? I mean they are just pixels on a screen. At the end of the day the only people who care about your accomplishment is you and maybe a few friends. Other than that most people will see it, maybe say "cool" and move on. Aren't video games supposed to about fun and not worrying about what other players are doing?
you didnt understand the whole crown shop thing 0