The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

ks888 · April 2019

@Ahtu many of us want the option to jump *** to the losing faction when one faction is dominating the map. Once again, rolling over the map is not fun or challenging PvP. 30 vs 5 is lame. Maybe you enjoy it and feel like that's "winning", but many of us don't. I want my opponent to have a chance at beating me and really make a fight interesting. Doors of keeps with a few stragglers inside does not make for good PvP. As you pointed out yesterday, my friends and I swapped to DC when they were nearly gated.

Ahtu · April 2019

You'll still have the ability to jump to the losing faction. The only difference is that you will have to wait 30 days to do so, as it should be. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

By all means please keep threatening to cancel you subscription though if you dont get your way.

ks888 · April 2019

@Ahtu no see because that means that faction is gated, by players like you, for 30 days. That's not balanced.

Ahtu · April 2019

ks888 wrote: »

@Ahtu no see because that means that faction is gated, by players like you, for 30 days. That's not balanced.

Good maybe then I can get some PvE done.

Glory · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

ks888 wrote: »

@Ahtu no see because that means that faction is gated, by players like you, for 30 days. That's not balanced.

Good maybe then I can get some PvE done.

What a toxic perspective to have in the PvP forums.

jaws343 · April 2019

ks888 wrote: »

@Ahtu no see because that means that faction is gated, by players like you, for 30 days. That's not balanced.

It's "winning" apparently. The locked campaigns are going to be toxic and noncompetitive.

Ahtu · April 2019

We'll see what happens. Right now this is all just speculation. Faction locks aren't even live yet.

Joy_Division · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Yesterday six well-known, elite, faction swapping veteran players IN THIS THREAD switched to DC to serve as a distraction and help DC get their scroll back at Farragut. This is why we need faction locks. Players shouldn't be able to decide which faction they want to play on at any given moment given the situation as it gives a huge disadvantage to faction-loyal players.

I was enjoying fighting the DC zerg until they interfered and allowed DC to recapture their scroll.

PROOF right here from one of the biggest faction loyalists in the game that fAcTiOn hOpPeRs actually do what we have said: switch to help the underdog team, not go to the winning side.

On the flip side, AD had a horde last night which stole our scroll with DC's help. Where was our relief? Nobody came to help us and we were out there on our own because everyone was on AD.

Switching to the winning team is much more common among the playerbase than switching to the losing side.

I imagine a bunch of people who might have otherwise helped did not because they don't want to play with a faction that regularly stacks 80 people in the same spot.

Ahtu · April 2019

Our zerg was split last night. Again, we don't need them. That would also explain why everyone switched to AD to stack with them.

Glory · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

Our zerg was split last night. Again, we don't need them. That would also explain why everyone switched to AD to stack with them.

Have you ever thought that it's just different people playing at different times, creating imbalance?

Haashhtaag · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

Our zerg was split last night. Again, we don't need them. That would also explain why everyone switched to AD to stack with them.

You need you’re entire zerg or the 20-30 of you get farmed. We did it 2-3 times last night before all of you showed up.

Also who kicked me from yalls discord.

Dutchessx · April 2019

Once again I will state this is NOT just going to affect you guys in Vivec... And is NOT just about Vivec. There are A LOT of good players who play on Sotha and Shor. We do so for various reasons, mostly for me I don’t like the lag and I have never held with there must be one main server thing, hence I homed Haderus and guested Chilrend when they were buff servers. This is about making it impossible to help balance servers by switching to the loosing faction. I understand if that isn’t what is going on in Vivec but like I said I don’t play there often because of the lag it just isn’t fun. I would say I think the points should stay in a general context because this affects all players not just those on the 30 day CP server. Right now as things stand if it is kept 3 servers plus below 50. Players who like no cp have no where else to go when the map is controlled by one faction or another. I also hear about dead servers during off hours maybe not as much action but during US Prime they have been busy and at times even pop locked with a short que. I would encourage you all not to think about just Vivec but to also consider the people who play No-CP and the 7 day server.

CatchMeTrolling · April 2019

Currently 4 and there’s zero bars in every other campaign. Ad has the majority of the map on vivec. With the pop 3 ad, and 2 ep/dc so I can only imagine how things are going to look once faction locks are in place.

ks888 · April 2019

Once again @Ahtu no one swapped to AD. EP made poor decisions when it came to the map and that's why they got pushed so hard.

Golden Gryphons - that's and AD only guild. Dominant Dominion - AD only. OMNI - has people that swap when solo, but as a guild they have been AD for over 2 years. TD - AD only for the most part too. They were all working together, which is what EP used to do and EP did it better than anyone else before AOTP came along.

Stop blaming others or coming up with conspiracies to explain your shortcomings folks.

Glory · April 2019

ks888 wrote: »

Once again @Ahtu no one swapped to AD. EP made poor decisions when it came to the map and that's why they got pushed so hard.

Golden Gryphons - that's and AD only guild. Dominant Dominion - AD only. OMNI - has people that swap when solo, but as a guild they have been AD for over 2 years. TD - AD only for the most part too. They were all working together, which is what EP used to do and EP did it better than anyone else before AOTP came along.

Stop blaming others or coming up with conspiracies to explain your shortcomings folks.

If only Golden Gryphons and OMNI had faction diverse players, maybe EP wouldn't have had such a rough time...

Ixtyr · April 2019

ks888 wrote: »

OMNI - has people that swap when solo, but as a guild they have been AD for over 2 years.

To clarify, Omni started playing AD in January 2018. It's only been 16 months.

That said, we've not run a single guild-sanctioned organized group on another alliance since then. So yes, that's accurate.

Kadoin · April 2019

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Yesterday six well-known, elite, faction swapping veteran players IN THIS THREAD switched to DC to serve as a distraction and help DC get their scroll back at Farragut. This is why we need faction locks. Players shouldn't be able to decide which faction they want to play on at any given moment given the situation as it gives a huge disadvantage to faction-loyal players.

I was enjoying fighting the DC zerg until they interfered and allowed DC to recapture their scroll.

PROOF right here from one of the biggest faction loyalists in the game that fAcTiOn hOpPeRs actually do what we have said: switch to help the underdog team, not go to the winning side.

Not only that, if 6 players really makes that much of a difference, then its a sign something other than faction hopping is wrong. And I don't mean with the six players!

Jules · April 2019

I chose the 7d for the faction lock because I think it’s only fair for a new enactment to start on the smaller of the two campaigns. If you are gungho about faction lock, you can have fun with your purity brothers on Shor.

Faction lock is a more rigorous requirement for getting into the campaign- exactly why should it be implemented on the largest campaign that affects the majority of the pvp population?

Specialized standards have absolutely no place in Vivec. Some fleeting paranoia about people being spies is cute and all, until it literally makes it so I can’t play 2/3 of my characters with 2/3 of my friends. Then it’s just outrageous and unfair.

Glory · April 2019

Throwback to March 2016 when ESO had a larger PvP population, and ZOS decided that faction locking was a bad idea:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2753849#Comment_2753849

josh.lackey_ESO · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

On the flip side, AD had a horde last night which stole our scroll with DC's help. Where was our relief? Nobody came to help us and we were out there on our own because everyone was on AD.

Switching to the winning team is much more common among the playerbase than switching to the losing side.

If the factions are all poplocked, then the populations are equal. What evidence do you have that "everyone was on AD"? Just because it it feels that way to you subjectively doesn't mean that's what's really happening. You win some you lose some. It's a 3 faction war. It will always be the two teams "teaming up" against the third. That's by design.

Grimlok_S · April 2019

I don't understand why so many people refuse to read the line below the 30 day campaign locks.

7 day campaign remains unlocked. If you are not a faction RPvWaller or someone who cares for campaign score you will continue to enjoy tri-faction play on the 7 day. Play the 7 day.

Haashhtaag · April 2019

Grimlok_S wrote: »

I don't understand why so many people refuse to read the line below the 30 day campaign locks.

7 day campaign remains unlocked. If you are not a faction RPvWaller or someone who cares for campaign score you will continue to enjoy tri-faction play on the 7 day. Play the 7 day.

Lmao yeah sure....

ZarkingFrued · April 2019

I'm not mad at it. I assume they have numbers behind their decision and see how many flock to the winning alliance

ellahellabella · April 2019

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I'm not mad at it. I assume they have numbers behind their decision and see how many flock to the winning alliance

Hee hee. You're funny! Gave an awesome for the lol

Miswar · April 2019

There is nothing wrong about it... +90% of pvp guild members are looking forward to it.

[snip]

To summarize.. best change for pvp and longtime overdue....gg for Zos to this 1.

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Haashhtaag · April 2019

Miswar wrote: »

There is nothing wrong about it... +90% of pvp guild members are looking forward to it.

[snip]

To summarize.. best change for pvp and longtime overdue....gg for Zos to this 1.

Did you know faction locks existed before and it didn’t stop a single thing you listed above?

[edited to remove quote]

Ahtu · April 2019

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

CatchMeTrolling · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

It’s always been zerging, in fact there was bigger zergs before.

Haashhtaag · April 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

It’s always been zerging, in fact there was bigger zergs before.

He probably didn’t play when each faction had a guild of the same number of people they run with currently or more zerging. Probably didn’t play when there was higher population caps and the queues were 200-300 people. But that kind of population doesn’t exist anymore so we will just have emptiness

frozywozy · April 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

It's a different time now, a new era. Now is the zerg era. Faction locks will help with that.

I think you missed the nerf to earthgore.