PSA - STOP THE WEREWOLF/VAMPIRE GRIEIFING - Want to be a were/vamp? Think again!

Johnny_NO_skillz · April 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

I'll give you that my assumption he is a native English speaker is my bad. In this case the person presents themselves as at least semi-intelligent by word choice. The lack of correct spelling, misused heterographs, sentence structure and general patronizating tone is what troubles me.

No, they didn't find a "nieche" and monetized it, they found a way to exploit a weakness in the system that wasn't designed with devious people in mind.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean that its something you SHOULD do. This boils down the basic decency of the playerbase. Unfortunately I have seen so much idiotic behavior from the initial playerbase of the game.

It seems that the majority of players are college age males who see nothing wrong with ruining other people's experiences simply for "fun".

The people comparing this to boss spamming are completely off as well, people boss farming are annoying at worst as they may get in your way, but they aren't doing ANYTHING to keep you from progressing in the game the EXACT same was as you would if they simply weren't there. The Vamp/WW issue is different because you have people ACTIVELY attempting to block another players progress (Main quest or not, I think doesn't apply here) through the game.

There is no way around the fact that you have players who are impeding other players ability to progress through the game without penalty.

For those of you who feel that "life isn't fair" or that by denying you the ability to extort money from people is impeding your gameplay: That may be true, but it is in no way affecting your ability to PROGRESS through the game, which is the main goal of any MMO.... To get better and progress through the game!

just my .02... my flame suit is freshly pressed.

I never said I disagreed, myself.

Well you're doing a fine job of making yourself seem like an elitist jerk.

AnneFleur · April 2014

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Well you're doing a fine job of making yourself seem like an elitist jerk.

Your not exactly collecting golden stars for social behaviour either, perhaps you should take a breath of fresh air and come back with an attitude that encourages discussing the matter instead of flaming everyone who does not agree with you?

Johnny_NO_skillz · April 2014

AnneFleur wrote: »

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Well you're doing a fine job of making yourself seem like an elitist jerk.

Your not exactly collecting golden stars for social behaviour either, perhaps you should take a breath of fresh air and come back with an attitude that encourages discussing the matter instead of flaming everyone who does not agree with you?

Don't turn this around on me like I'm being illogical, or emotionally driven. Your statement is completely out of context.

I'll take your comment in stride, though.

I have no problem calling people out when they act like taking advantage of a system is acceptable behavior. Don't agree with me? It's whatever, but I'm not going to sit here like a push-over and let people talk down to me like I'm "jealous" of others who can exploit the system, or that "They're better than me" because they thought of it first.

Maybe if you experience this crap first hand, I doubt you'd be judging my character against your own... which is no doubt perfect, right?

No exploiting... ever.

The argument is either being a decent player, or an apathetic exploiter.

If that doesn't appease you, I don't know what else to offer ya.

Laerrus · April 2014

I just had a rather fun thought. Enable PvP flags for everyone, band together with other vampires/werewolves and then go slaughter the profit seekers who are camping the spawn points.

Zershar_Vemod · April 2014

Paske wrote: »

Its an MMO.

People found a way to monetize a nieche.

Its not a problem, its brilliant !
You want to be better then them ? Camp the NPCs your self, get biten, do the same for profit.

Putting some effort into a goal makes that goal worth while.

No one is "stealing from you". They are simply better at this game then you

Fact that we have all payed for the game doesn't mean you can simply log in, get stuff, because you paid and are entitled to get whatever you want.

Um, yeah, how about no...

This is griefing / acting like a ***. To support such behavior is disappointing.

Reignskream · April 2014

Laerrus wrote: »

I just had a rather fun thought. Enable PvP flags for everyone, band together with other vampires/werewolves and then go slaughter the profit seekers who are camping the spawn points.

About time somebody grows a set.

magic_is_might · April 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

magic_is_might wrote: »

Wow, people defending this behavior... Bet they're the same ***holes who are camping said vampire/werewolf spots and selling bites for ridiculous prices and not following through.

I can see and understand people selling bites if people are willing to pay. Camping and preventing others from getting bitten without paying a stupid toll is different and should result in at least suspension.

Who was defending it?

Hmm, let's see:

Its an MMO.

People found a way to monetize a nieche.

Its not a problem, its brilliant !
You want to be better then them ? Camp the NPCs your self, get biten, do the same for profit.

Putting some effort into a goal makes that goal worth while.

No one is "stealing from you". They are simply better at this game then you

Fact that we have all payed for the game doesn't mean you can simply log in, get stuff, because you paid and are entitled to get whatever you want.

this guys must be realy new to mmorpgs.. that how mmorpg work.. if he bite u for ingame money its normal ingame mechanics.. and ur talk about paypal is just a ***..
and if anyone pay 40k for bite he is ***..

Its not nice.

But far from illegale.

Boss you need to finish a quest being spawn camped is different, because you are unable to continue with your quest.

Being bitten is not essential for game / quest progression.

As for people stating " you are unable to progress ", that is simply not true in this case. You simply need to be there when vampire / werewolf spawns and get bitten. Yes they willl kill the mob, but you simply need a second to get that bite.

It will take some effort for sure. But saying you are 100% unable to get biten because someone isn`t playing the way you want them is somewhat silly to say the least.

Basically - man up.

Nonsense. It's a game with creatures you're designed to be able to kill. It's not a main storyline progression issue, it's a side feature. Not all people being able to be bitten by vampires because they want to be because people are killing the vampires is a normal gameplay mechanic.

Not everyone's going to become emperor either, that isn't because people are stealing part of the IP. The game has hundreds of possibilities, you're not going to be able to easily achieve every one of them.

I can quote more for you if you want.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · April 2014

Paske wrote: »

Its an MMO.
People found a way to monetize a nieche.
Its not a problem, its brilliant !
You want to be better then them ? Camp the NPCs your self, get biten, do the same for profit.
Putting some effort into a goal makes that goal worth while.
No one is "stealing from you". They are simply better at this game then you
Fact that we have all payed for the game doesn't mean you can simply log in, get stuff, because you paid and are entitled to get whatever you want.

While ESO doesnt require you to role play, you should at least play it fair and let everyone have fun. This is not having fun. Blizzard would easily label it as exploiting the game mechanics to damage other players.

Honestly, the whole vampire/warewolf thing should have been done much better. It should have been extremely rare and difficult.

ZiRM · April 2014

They need to redo the whole werewolf, vampire system and add some others.

Tipsy · April 2014

what if you'd obviously camp in a dangerous vampire zone for way too long
a vampire will jump out of nowhere, completely draining your character? so you won't be able to revive for a few hours xD

AnneFleur · April 2014

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

AnneFleur wrote: »

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Well you're doing a fine job of making yourself seem like an elitist jerk.

Your not exactly collecting golden stars for social behaviour either, perhaps you should take a breath of fresh air and come back with an attitude that encourages discussing the matter instead of flaming everyone who does not agree with you?

Don't turn this around on me like I'm being illogical, or emotionally driven. Your statement is completely out of context.

I'll take your comment in stride, though.

I have no problem calling people out when they act like taking advantage of a system is acceptable behavior. Don't agree with me? It's whatever, but I'm not going to sit here like a push-over and let people talk down to me like I'm "jealous" of others who can exploit the system, or that "They're better than me" because they thought of it first.

Maybe if you experience this crap first hand, I doubt you'd be judging my character against your own... which is no doubt perfect, right?

No exploiting... ever.

The argument is either being a decent player, or an apathetic exploiter.

If that doesn't appease you, I don't know what else to offer ya.

For starters I am not judging your character, nor am I comparing it to my own. I merely observed that you flame everyone who does not outright agrees with you. You keep doing that by putting words in my mouth with regards to my own character. It seems that your idea of a discussion consists of getting in a shouting match with anyone that does not immediately and wholeheartedly agrees with you. You even emphasise this by your line "Don't agree with me? It's whatever, but I'm not going to sit here like a push-over..." . I hate to break it to you, but as much as my opinion isn't "better", objectively speaking, then yours, neither is your opinion "better" then mine or anyone else's. Accept opinions that are different or even the opposite of your own for what they are, instead of considering them to be a personal attack of sorts. Treat others and their opinions with the respect you clearly feel entitled too, and perhaps a constructive conversation will ensue.

Then you go on "The argument is either being a decent player, or an apathetic exploiter. " which is both ridiculous and unjust. The fact that I do not perceive the situation to be as you describe it does not make me an exploiter, nor does it mean that I condone exploiting, real money transfers or griefing. That I do not agree with your proposals for draconic measures against these so-called exploiters does not mean that I am one, nor that I am on their side. I simply do not agree with you, nor do I have to, for I am entitled to have my own opinion regarding this situation, or any other situation.

starkerealm · April 2014

scruffycavetroll wrote: »

i have yet to see people running around a zone saying

"BITE ME, BITE ME"

Oddly enough, I have. It was pretty funny, including the trolling the guy in question got from Zone.

starkerealm · April 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Paske wrote: »

Its an MMO.

People found a way to monetize a nieche.

Its not a problem, its brilliant !
You want to be better then them ? Camp the NPCs your self, get biten, do the same for profit.

Putting some effort into a goal makes that goal worth while.

No one is "stealing from you". They are simply better at this game then you

Fact that we have all payed for the game doesn't mean you can simply log in, get stuff, because you paid and are entitled to get whatever you want.

The fact that you endorse such behavior and don't know the word is paid not payed makes me question the validity of your opinions.

Not everyone's a native English speaker... important to remember online when browsing a multi-language forum.

Also important to remember, payed v. paid is supposedly one of the more common conjugation errors for native English speakers. And, because both are legitimate words (unlike... "sayed" for example) a spell checker won't catch it.

Monsoon · April 2014

If you are blocking other players from being able to participate in the content then you are engaging in griefing behavior...don t try to justify the behavior, it is similar to blocking access to an NPC by putting a giant mount on it or gliching an NPC on purpose.

No amount of justifying the behavior will stand. If you are doing it over and over it is griefing other players and you should get a warning for it

Attorneyatlawl · April 2014

Monsoon wrote: »

If you are blocking other players from being able to participate in the content then you are engaging in griefing behavior...don t try to justify the behavior, it is similar to blocking access to an NPC by putting a giant mount on it or gliching an NPC on purpose.

No amount of justifying the behavior will stand. If you are doing it over and over it is griefing other players and you should get a warning for it

Big difference here: vampire/werewolf can be sold and benefits someone to maintain exclusitivity on. Blocking an NPC cannot be sold and thus would be "griefing" (though a minor offense).

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

I'll give you that my assumption he is a native English speaker is my bad. In this case the person presents themselves as at least semi-intelligent by word choice. The lack of correct spelling, misused heterographs, sentence structure and general patronizating tone is what troubles me.

No, they didn't find a "nieche" and monetized it, they found a way to exploit a weakness in the system that wasn't designed with devious people in mind.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean that its something you SHOULD do. This boils down the basic decency of the playerbase. Unfortunately I have seen so much idiotic behavior from the initial playerbase of the game.

It seems that the majority of players are college age males who see nothing wrong with ruining other people's experiences simply for "fun".

The people comparing this to boss spamming are completely off as well, people boss farming are annoying at worst as they may get in your way, but they aren't doing ANYTHING to keep you from progressing in the game the EXACT same was as you would if they simply weren't there. The Vamp/WW issue is different because you have people ACTIVELY attempting to block another players progress (Main quest or not, I think doesn't apply here) through the game.

There is no way around the fact that you have players who are impeding other players ability to progress through the game without penalty.

For those of you who feel that "life isn't fair" or that by denying you the ability to extort money from people is impeding your gameplay: That may be true, but it is in no way affecting your ability to PROGRESS through the game, which is the main goal of any MMO.... To get better and progress through the game!

just my .02... my flame suit is freshly pressed.

I never said I disagreed, myself.

Well you're doing a fine job of making yourself seem like an elitist jerk.

Who are you talking to? I never said anything elitist or rude here, unlike some other posters.

Attorneyatlawl · April 2014

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

AnneFleur wrote: »

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Well you're doing a fine job of making yourself seem like an elitist jerk.

Your not exactly collecting golden stars for social behaviour either, perhaps you should take a breath of fresh air and come back with an attitude that encourages discussing the matter instead of flaming everyone who does not agree with you?

Don't turn this around on me like I'm being illogical, or emotionally driven. Your statement is completely out of context.

I'll take your comment in stride, though.

I have no problem calling people out when they act like taking advantage of a system is acceptable behavior. Don't agree with me? It's whatever, but I'm not going to sit here like a push-over and let people talk down to me like I'm "jealous" of others who can exploit the system, or that "They're better than me" because they thought of it first.

Maybe if you experience this crap first hand, I doubt you'd be judging my character against your own... which is no doubt perfect, right?

No exploiting... ever.

The argument is either being a decent player, or an apathetic exploiter.

If that doesn't appease you, I don't know what else to offer ya.

You sure do sound it, honestly, I must say. I "experienced" it too, I just found a spawn later and moved on. It's just not that much of a deal at all to have a rare spawn in a game.

ZOS_JordanH · April 2014

Greetings. This is a friendly reminder to refrain from attacking other forum members. We are investigating the issue being discussed in this thread and we ask that you keep all communication civil and on-topic. The more information you can provide here, the better we can investigate. When submitting a ticket about this issue, please remember to include the phrase "werewolf/vampire camping" in your ticket.

Thank you for your cooperation and help as we investigate.

Omar_Comin · April 2014

Clearly, this needed another thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/73742/so-it-has-really-come-to-this

Hexi · April 2014

Well, every other person is already a vampire or a WW, so their plan to "keep it rare" obviously failed, miserably. In 2 week, everyone who wants it, has it. I mean, my lvl4 alt has Vampirism at the moment so...

Got it by camping the spawns for 7h or so, got to rank 6, gave it to a guildie with the condition that he give it my alt and bam, it spreads.

Phyrdrin · April 2014

We sincerely appreciate the mods looking into this issue. Although so many people say that becoming a vampire or werewolf isn't something that would stop you from finishing the game, it is an important part of the Elder Scrolls game for a lot of people. Personally, I played all my characters as vampires in both Oblivion and Skyrim, and being one is very important to my character.

ShadowHvo · April 2014

While I can say that this is most certainly happening, since I've experienced it myself, however luckily I did manage to get vampirism myself on the first day available.

At least on the EU servers, some people has gone as far as to recieve 50k gold for a single bite, because others killed off the rare spawns. It's a mean trick, and there should most certainly be done something towards the players which camps out these places, only in the attempt to ruin it for others. Just beware though, that there still is a good amount of legit people out there who're simply looking to get smacked once in orden to get infected, so there is no need to report anyone, for simply camping the spawn locations.

Rhian-Skybladeb16_ESO · April 2014

I am wondering why there isn't a quest series for such things like in the
Offline-TES Games. I so would love to do a Hircine Quest to become a werewolf!
I am missing those daedric & vampire quests that also would add to immersion... I guess there are also others who would love to do a vampire quest like in Dawnguard.

patrikblb16_ESO · April 2014

Just ban the morons exploiting this and it will be over, the rest will get the hint I'm sure.

Attorneyatlawl · April 2014

Rhian-Skybladeb16_ESO wrote: »

I am wondering why there isn't a quest series for such things like in the
Offline-TES Games. I so would love to do a Hircine Quest to become a werewolf!
I am missing those daedric & vampire quests that also would add to immersion... I guess there are also others who would love to do a vampire quest like in Dawnguard.

There are quests. This is the first step of getting them

.

Rhian-Skybladeb16_ESO · April 2014

Haven't gotten that far yet ^^ after so many people complaining I was under the sad impression that it is just "fight a werewolf and hope you get bitten" thing.

Jadeviper1974 · April 2014

g33kcub wrote: »

mattias.snakeb16_ESO wrote: »

g33kcub wrote: »

NO WHERE does it say that I have to 'fight off camping players' to have the ability to complete the side quests for becoming a vampire or werewolf.

No it just says online gameplay may change due to other players. Who are entitled to charge ingame (but not real money) gold for ingame services.

Besides everything is instanced to 100 so they won't be able to camp anywhere near all the werewolves between 5 guilds.

This is NOT AN IN-GAME SERVICE. Period.

This is not charging currency for enchants, crafted items or even quest help. This is a group of immature idiots who camp out a group of desired mobs and say.. "If you don't pay us, you can't access them." that is tantamount to extortion. IF they lead me to them, and protected me while I was securing my bite and then ensured I got away without having to respawn. THEN it might be considered a service, however it's a PayGate to get them...

You know, like the imperial race.

He is also ignoring the part where they are getting money from folks then refusing to bite them or give the money back.

Prospero_ESO · April 2014

instead of coming to the forums the community should handle this issue. those guys exists for two reasons

1. they are greedy *** who make money with ruining other peoples game experience.

there is nothing we can do about that. these type of players exist in every mmo, this is the internet, deal with it.

2. because we let them

as long as there are idiots who pay ingame or even worse real money to them, they will stay in business. so stop paying them, sooner or later they will move on. also people who are already vamps or wolfs are able to directly ruin their business, go to the areas where the quest mobs spawn and offer people free bites, after a while the problem will regulate itself.

Jadeviper1974 · April 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

cheeser123 wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Why is people even discussing this anymore.

Because this is a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss customer service issues, stay off the customer service discussion forum.

Nice , so lets get this right, shall we?

A discussion started , mods actually answered to it , giving the solution.

Then people kept talking about right and wrong , which does not even matter since the mods already gave the answer anyway.

Ok , bash your heads to the wall all you want , i will enjoy watching :P.

No its called having a back and forth conversation, this one just doesn't happen to be in person. If you don't want to participate in the conversation the stay out of this thread, simple, just like in real life you can leave a conversation that you don't like.

Jadeviper1974 · April 2014

draygun wrote: »

Or just remove the ability to bite other players all together... problem solved.

That would work.

Jadeviper1974 · April 2014

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

cheeser123 wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

A discussion started , mods actually answered to it , giving the solution.

Then people kept talking about right and wrong , which does not even matter since the mods already gave the answer anyway.

If the mods thought their answer was the end of all possible discussion, they would have locked this thread to prevent further discussion. Again, this is the entire purpose of this forum. I'm sick of people trolling around here all day to tell people to stop posting complaints/problems or to stop discussing them. That's the purpose of this forum.

Same here - its mad stupid.

If you don't want to acknowledge the problems in game and contribute to a platform that eventually solves issues, go back in game and leave the "community" to those who actually care about it.

2.2k views and growing.

I hope it keeps up.

Dev's also keep discussion like this open while they are deciding how best to handle an issue so they can get ideas and the general leanings of the community at large.