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Gold buying by real money is a bad practice in ESO - Please Restrict it!
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.
convenience is NOT a bad thing. while I severely dislike that skyshards will be crown store only, you cannot buy them unless you already found them at least once.
and that thinking off "i suffered and so should you is extremely toxic and you should think really hard why is it that you want other people to slog through something you seem to find unpleasant.
you are coming from a place of bitterness and envy "how come they get to have this" worry more about yourself than what other people do or do not get to have.dirty worthless casual.
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✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
Like what? Potions from guild stores? The things everyone can make? Gear? The stuff everyone can go out and get? Sorry don't see it.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso2 -
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✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Dragneel1207 wrote: »u r argument is flawed and the end game gear cant be bought in guild store
There is end game PvP gear that is BOE.
True, but is it exclusively only available to those who sell / buy crown items? or can anyone buy it if it was for sell at a guild trader?2 -
NeroBad✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.
@Universe By that means if I have hundreds of millions without buying any of that by Crown, and I help my friends with golden gear beacuse they don't play that much, and I would like them to be a potent group mates, we broke the game, so it should be restricted.
1, Except for Vampirism and Lycanthropy(been in th shop ver long ago), no such things would be there - Skyshards will be but only for your alts if you collected them with your main.
2, As many said it doesnt print gold it redistributes gold, also why do you hate the thought that someone skip the fantastic fun (altough it is fun for me) of grinding gold or materials? Do you want them to be in blue or purple gear - the best ones are bind on pickup? Do you write posts against Trial sellers also, as they offer services which offers hard earned achivments for casual players?
3 The only one who would truly win from a restrict are the gold sellers who sell their gold directly for money in shady sites.Edited by NeroBad on April 14, 2019 2:57PM2 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.
@Universe By that means if I have hundreds of millions without buying any of that by Crown, and I help my friends with golden gear beacuse they don't play that much, and I would like them to be a potent group mates, we broke the game, so it should be restricted.
Gold farmed by normal means is perfectly fine.
I don't like the idea that crown store items for gold trade makes the all process of farming gold easier for those who are willing to spend their real life money.
I expected to not receive much agreement on this topic, it is like I'm asking in the middle of a party, let's restrict it
I hope that ZOS will understand my point and will restrict it.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
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prototypefb✭✭✭✭Irellevant if its P2W or not it causes inflation and destroys the economy and therefore must be restricted.
destroys the economy? how exactly?
there is awfull lot of gold available in game, very easy to earn if you're wiling.
crowns are not avaialble to every1, selling crowns/crown items creates new market, indirectly boosting current economy + creating new opportunities to players otherwise unable to be in(dlc/new gear etc) all while boosting economy directly.1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.
@Universe By that means if I have hundreds of millions without buying any of that by Crown, and I help my friends with golden gear beacuse they don't play that much, and I would like them to be a potent group mates, we broke the game, so it should be restricted.
Gold farmed by normal means is perfectly fine.
I don't like the idea that crown store items for gold trade makes the all process of farming gold easier for those who are willing to spend their real life money.
I expected to not receive much agreement on this topic, it is like I'm asking in the middle of a party, let's restrict it
I hope that ZOS will understand my point and will restrict it.
But, according to ZOS, ot is a normal means. So...?
Seems more personal versus logical honesty.2 -
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It is not P2W.
If you really want to gripe about gold buying you would be complaining about how long it takes for Zos to ban bot accounts. That is where the real issue is so please get priorities straight.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
They are indeed a bane of the crafting system. So don't buy them. Don't buy them with crowns. Don't buy them with crowns via gold. If they see that this sort of move is unpopular, then they might stop. But by buying crowns with gold, people are merely encouraging ZOS to move more things into cash shop exclusive status, because more people are willing and able to buy them now.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.
@Universe By that means if I have hundreds of millions without buying any of that by Crown, and I help my friends with golden gear beacuse they don't play that much, and I would like them to be a potent group mates, we broke the game, so it should be restricted.
Gold farmed by normal means is perfectly fine.
I don't like the idea that crown store items for gold trade makes the all process of farming gold easier for those who are willing to spend their real life money.
I expected to not receive much agreement on this topic, it is like I'm asking in the middle of a party, let's restrict it
I hope that ZOS will understand my point and will restrict it.
But, according to ZOS, ot is a normal means. So...?
Seems more personal versus logical honesty.
Sadly yes.
I hope that ZOS can at least restrict this form of trade to make it more balanced.
It is not P2W.
If you really want to gripe about gold buying you would be complaining about how long it takes for Zos to ban bot accounts. That is where the real issue is so please get priorities straight.
I disagree, I think it is P2W.
Though it is for sure Pay for too much convenience.Edited by Universe on April 14, 2019 3:51PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
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✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Dragneel1207 wrote: »u r argument is flawed and the end game gear cant be bought in guild store
There is end game PvP gear that is BOE.
True, but is it exclusively only available to those who sell / buy crown items? or can anyone buy it if it was for sell at a guild trader?
Doesn't matter. What the person said that I was replying to was wrong.0 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭
It is not P2W.
If you really want to gripe about gold buying you would be complaining about how long it takes for Zos to ban bot accounts. That is where the real issue is so please get priorities straight.
imo as long as botting doesn't affect other ppl( taking away top grind spots/kiling bosses etc), it should be legal as it is in few games(game features).0 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agree with the OP.
Buying in game currency with irl money was never a good thing on game.
This is the main thing who destroy economy and cause price inflation.[ PC EU ]
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Delpi✭✭✭✭✭Who started this topic? I want to tell him/she that it doesn't matter if it's ok or not for the game. The only thing that matter here is this system give more real money to ZOS. That's the real end game :P
Btw... some people always defend ZOZ saying that their money go for the game and servers... Well, I'm really angry for the queue EU server. So no, the money doesn't go for servers."I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee..."2 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭Agree with the OP.
Buying in game currency with irl money was never a good thing on game.
This is the main thing who destroy economy and cause price inflation.
ok, what exactly is increasing in price because of crowns?
last time i checked guild traders prices are low af. demand-supply affects prices, crown-gold conversions are so miniscule, i'd be suprirised it it accounted for more than 1% f total market value2 -
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✭Buying crown store stuff with gold right now is the main incentive for me to earn in game gold. I have millions and literally nothing to spend it on.2 -
Thavie✭✭✭✭Crown store items for gold is pure P2W.
You can't buy BiS gear in crown store, you can't buy it for gold either (two exceptions are the gold trader once per week and buying stuff from group members in trials/dungeons), so you literally CANNOT win by paying. Doesn't even matter if gold or crowns. Everything you can buy is usually not hard to get or it doesn't give you any advantage at all.
What is really happening here is that you simply dislike ingame stores, hence "I refuse to touch Crown Store exclusive motifs. I would rather they didn't exist at all" (crown store has a lot of exclusive stuff, not just motifs), and you'd like to ignore it all together but it became harder since people are able to buy those exclusive things with their gold. And that's outrageous! They shouldn't! PLEASE STAPH THEM!
It's okay to dislike things you do not agree with but at least be honest with yourself and don't cover it with pay-to-win label. It's getting old.
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✭✭✭✭✭Probably OP is concerned that if some people want to dominate trading market they may just sell 100k+ crowns for 30mil+ and bid for good trader which will leave out other guilds who earned let's say 20mil from trading and member donations. This scenario is probably possible and even takes place in reality (remember those strange guilds which are appearing in deshaan with poor listings for couple of weeks and then vanishing god knows where), but now there is not so big demand for crowns to make that an issue.
Still if we talk about established trading guilds and if they have rich IRL members, those guilds will have strong advantage and it will be literally P2W (in terms of trading place and prestige).5 -
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✭✭I am confused here... how is it Pay to Win?
Are those with the gold buying crown items getting some undisclosed item that grant them a huge apparent advantage over others in all content, like PvP?
Or are those selling their own crown getting some extra bonuses that cannot be obtainable by any other means while maintaining a clear advantage over others?
All i am seeing here is player a wants item b in crown store, doesn't want to fork over rl money, but player c has it, they make trade. While you, player b seem upset about it...Edited by StormeReigns on April 14, 2019 3:11PM0 -
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Whats your problem with that ?Please share your thoughts
Sellers are happy.
Buyers are happy.
Zenimax is happy.
Only mr NoOne is not?
I see no problem with selling/buying crowns.
Just diferent way to achieve things. And compleatly legal too.
I neither sell or buy crowns so far.
I have all curent dlc + inc expansion preordered. And i see nothing wrong about crowns trade.
It make Zenimax rich = more gold to spend for inc content and their families.
If you complain about p2w, do complain about crates. Because the only way to get the content is to pay with real money.
So please, BE SILENT.
Thanks!!!
Edited by Runkorko on April 14, 2019 3:15PM6 -
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✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »
What is funny is people claim prices going up will destroy economy, while others claim prices going down will destroy the economy.
Then there are those who complain prices are already too high.Edited by DaveMoeDee on April 14, 2019 3:13PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »This was actually smart move from ZOS. If they allow to buy gold directly with crowns, it will make ESO look like "Clash of clans" or whatever other mobile game (B**des, heh). But this exchange of gold for gifts adds another layer of socialization and immersion to trade, builds up demand for respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair. On the other hand there is "black market" with low prices but high chance of scam.. it all makes game more alive, and in the same time people who don't want or don't have money to buy crowns may obtain CS items, and people who don't have time for grinding may receive gold, and ZOS receives income in process. It's win-win solution.
What kind of stupid comment, the crown black market has middlemen which secure the transactions.
Get Stuff like this (but not this stuff)
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They can only bla-bla and waste gold on feeding their ego. I am disappointed."
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✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
you are correct, it is not any way pay to win and
the thread maker listed
"a total of Zero reasons why its wrong and bad"
there is nothing wrong with it, people on both sides are happy and no one is hurt and nothing wrong has happened from it.1 -
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✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.
convenience is NOT a bad thing. while I severely dislike that skyshards will be crown store only, you cannot buy them unless you already found them at least once.
and that thinking off "i suffered and so should you is extremely toxic and you should think really hard why is it that you want other people to slog through something you seem to find unpleasant.
you are coming from a place of bitterness and envy "how come they get to have this" worry more about yourself than what other people do or do not get to have.
This ^
Nothing much more to say. Maybe he needs to take a break and play another game to realize it is a game Cx2 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Probably OP is concerned that if some people want to dominate trading market they may just sell 100k+ crowns for 30mil+ and bid for good trader which will leave out other guilds who earned let's say 20mil from trading and member donations. This scenario is probably possible and even takes place in reality (remember those strange guilds which are appearing in deshaan with poor listings for couple of weeks and then vanishing god knows where), but now there is not so big demand for crowns to make that an issue.
Still if we talk about established trading guilds and if they have rich IRL members, those guilds will have strong advantage and it will be literally P2W (in terms of trading place and prestige).
i don't see any1 spending rl money to hire a guild trader... seems far fetched.
if they do, then they must hate opposing guild very much and i feel for them(not rly, idc).
tipically large guild alliances conspire and bid on weak opponent spots to hurt competition and possibly get the spot in new upcomming guild of their own in future.1 -
xTarrant✭Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
I agree with you. This is a way for people to unlock previously inaccessible cosmetics and things
However this isn't a gold sink. It isn't removing gold from the economy. It's recirculating it, and maybe contributing to inflation.0 -
Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭Hello,
Since Update 18 players are able to buy gold by real money by the following method:
1. Used their credit card to buy crown packs.
2. bought the crown store items.
3. They sold the items and received GOLD.
The gold currency is extremely useful, used for various purposes, such as: guild stores bidding, buying/upgrading gear, repair, crafting etc.
It is literally gold buying through the sale of crown store items, a form of P2W/Pay for Convenience.
While ZOS said it's fine to trade crown store item for gold, it became ridiculous how fast players were accumulating massive amounts of gold.
I believe that ZOS needs to change their mind about this and restrict or disallow it by some manner.
I suggested the following as the first step:
Please limit the number of gifts an account can deliver, for example:
1 gift of 1-500 crowns per week.
1 gift of 501-1,000 crowns per month.
1 gift of 1,001-1,500 crowns per 2 months.
1 gift of 1,501-3,000 crowns per 3 months.
1 gift of 3,001-5,000+ crowns per 6 months.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I never participated in this form of trading and I believe it is inappropriate.
***Note: P2W/P2Convenience or not, it is harmful to ESO's game economy, such as: increasing inflation of prices, bids on guild traders are higher etc.
Please share your thoughts
How is it P2W when there is absolutely no item out there in crown store that gives you advantage over other players? Most of the items in crown store are things like costumes, outfits styles, furnishings and so on. Sure you can buy DLC for gold now but it is still not P2W, it is in fact very good decision for us players, because now folks that couldn't buy ESO+ or DLC due to simply not being able to afford it can earn it through hard work (grinding gold) and thus getting access to previously impossible for them to obtain VMA weapons or Perfect Asylum weapons.
Earning gold is extremely easy in this game anyways, it is the monopoly and the system of guild trader that is wrong in the first place and not ability to buy stuff from crown store for gold...
We just need another "gold sink" mechanic for the game, my ideas are:
1. Create dueling PvP arena, where players can bet who will win among the players (stormhaven got empty arena, perfect for the job). Players could place bets and win 25%-50% of what they bet in gold or lose it, of course there would have to be something preventing players from knowing who will participate next so that there would not be setup fights with people knowing who will lose.
2. Pet fights, similar to the PvP duel fights we could have pet fights.
3. Guilds managed towns in pocket oblivions, it would need some weekly tasks made by guilds (be it mats gathering and donating or gold or trials/quests).
4. ZOS should stop doing events where all the motifs drop in such huge ammount every few weeks ... When I dropped apostle legs today and saw the price of for them 2k I wanted to cry... Sure it is nice to let the newbie players catch up but is it good for the whole community? The ywill not have to do dail yquests to grind those, they just need to earn little gold and buy them or just drop fro mevent thus making them get bored of how easy everything is in the game so in the long run it will cause massive quitting from the game after having everything in few months time.0 -
xTarrant✭KaraBela94 wrote: »You really need to learn the definition of Pay2Win seriously
I know the definition very well.
Gold is used for power too, such as buying gear/upgrading the gear/bidding on guild traders.
There are many other uses.
If gold is available for real life money, it is P2W.
This definition is much broader.
This Is the best counter point I've seen. But I think people are just going to tell you that it's a "convenience".2
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