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Gold buying by real money is a bad practice in ESO - Please Restrict it!
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Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
Better this way. ZOS getting the real money is a good thing in my opinion.
Because some would use the shady third party bot farmer pages to buy gold (or to get scammed). So this atleast benefits the game.
People buy crown stuff from friends that they cannot have real money for.. and you would take it away? Couples are sending gifts to each others, even birthday gifts to bring a smile. Crown store gifting was very much asked for thing and it does not make the game P2W. Yeah, someone rich can spend money to buy some golden tempers to upgrade armor faster than would by farming it ingame only, not such a big deal.
Or is this just a case of the "i had to work for my gold as a young man.. you kids has it easy these days!!" sort of thing?
People are making other people happy with this option, legit gifts to friends.. and ZOS makes some extra money with it. Not see it ending. I know, for trade guild situations might be annoying when some take wanted spots with gold earned by this, it wont last though.. not that many is willing to spend their real life fortune week after week on a virtual guild store spot on Belkarth.
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Dragneel1207✭✭✭✭lol
having 1 billion gold is not going to make u good at the game.
u wont get 50k dps if u have gold
u wont be a good tank or heal in a trials guild even if u have gold
its a form of convenience and
its not pay to win since most of the crown store items cant be gifted for example chapters
chapters and dlcs are true p2w in this game as they introduce game breaking stuff each dlc for getting sales.
u r only seeing one side and it will become p2w when u satisfy the above conditions7 -
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
yup...besides furniture there is not much use for gold these days...p2w?...sure if you consider furniture a weapon...id like to throw beds at my enemies...or smother them with the pillows!... or hit them with my endless collection of busts!8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »KaraBela94 wrote: »You really need to learn the definition of Pay2Win seriously
I know the definition very well.
Gold is used for power too, such as buying gear/upgrading the gear/bidding on guild traders.
There are many other uses.
If gold is available for real life money, it is P2W.
This definition is much broader.
no ---- because gold doesnt help you win anything in this game. you cant just make up your own definition
I believe it is P2W.
But P2W or not, players shouldn't be allowed to buy gold through exchanging crown store items.
Since ZOS won't disallow it, I suggest to restrict it.
This is just like having a female reproductive rights issue be decided by men who do not have said organs....just because you have an opinion on something you don’t or cannot do, does not inherently give you the right to have a say in it for others that do. I give up, your opinion is flawed by many things, most glaringly your justification of it and your lack of participation in something you want regulated that has no effect on your in game experience one damn bit.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Eh, no. Getting some gold isn't "winning".
And yeah, all those people rocking the guild vendor system and raking in piles o' gold, are getting more than the crown sellers. And have had their millions for years now, long before the crowns-for-gold thing happened. Did they already "win"? And if they did, how can the crown sellers now "win", since the uber-rich traders have already "won"? /eyeroll
Two thoughts - 1. "crowns for gold" and other similar authorized/in-game systems in MMOs partially exist to undercut the third-party gold sellers. Hopefully reducing bot gold farmers, and reducing the number of accounts hacked by the gold sellers.
2. There are a good number of f2p/b2p MMOs out there that have some sort of in-game "exchange" to let people obtain premium currency in return for in-game currency (I use the Zen Exchange in Star Trek Online extensively. I've bought probably hundreds of $ worth of stuff over the years without actually spending $). These exchanges are one of the things that people think make a game more friendly to "free" users, since it makes premium stuff less limited to "big spenders".
In other words, they make the games less "pay 2 win", because anyone can have access to "cash shop" items. Which means that they're not something pay players can lord over free players. It increases access, making the game more fair.
Of course, that only really matters in games which have "pay" items that are needed to play. Which ESO doesn't really have. If the Crown Store isn't "p2w" in the first place (i.e, not selling power that's only available to those who spend $), then gold-for-crowns can't help make things less p2w (since it isn't p2w to start with.)
tl;dr - no, it's not p2w.
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prototypefb✭✭✭✭not only i support it(crown-gold trade), i want this to be 'legal' zos aproved option to reduce/eliminate scam!!
p.s. it's also viable way to offload crowns you don't need if you're eso+ subscriber and have no use for crowns, or simply have too much of themEdited by prototypefb on April 14, 2019 2:03PM2 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SammyFable wrote: »No amount of gold can make you "win" at this game. Spend how much gold/money you want, you won't be magically stronger or at an advantage than/to anyone who doesn't.KaraBela94 wrote: »You really need to learn the definition of Pay2Win seriously
I know the definition very well.
Gold is used for power too, such as buying gear/upgrading the gear/bidding on guild traders.
There are many other uses.
If gold is available for real life money, it is P2W.
This definition is much broader.
You know, these have to be farmed in order to be able to sell them. You literally can't get them with gold alone, with no one having farmed those items beforehand. And how exactly is having a guild trader "winning"?
It is true that someone has farmed the item first, but you're buying the item so it makes no difference.
You are winning the guild trader.
It is easier to accumulate gold by crown store gifting for gold method.
I see that many disagree with my OP post, I expected as much.
I'm quite certain that over half of those who disagree it is P2W and/or want this crown store items for gold exchange to remain as it is bought the gold by this method or have other benefits from this form of trade.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Cążki✭✭✭✭This is very good mechanism. And shouldn't be changed. Its very very cool and usefool method to change money-crowns,crowns-money.Altmer skooma dealer.
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✭✭Irellevant if its P2W or not it causes inflation and destroys the economy and therefore must be restricted.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
Cheezits94✭✭✭✭✭Why would ZOS change it?
If anything, it increases the amount of crown packs they sell, so they would just hurt their income. As "sad" as it is, this game is a business and ZOS is a company that wants to maximize profit. They implemented the gifting system with exactly that in mind.
If you can't even spell sets, locations and items, you probably have no clue what you even are talking about.
Tamriel, not Tamerial, Temerial or Tamériál
Alkosh, not Alkoash
Dolmen, not Dolman
Olorime, not Oloramie
Sorcerer, not Sorceror1 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Irellevant if its P2W or not it causes inflation and destroys the economy and therefore must be restricted.
Indeed.
P2W or not is a huge topic in itself and shouldn't be the only decisive factor here.Edited by Universe on April 14, 2019 2:09PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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ZOS is pretty good at destroying the ingame economy with other means as well - the anniversary event is a good example of this. All materials and motif pages have dropped in price by a huge amount. They don't care about the ingame economy.
If you can't even spell sets, locations and items, you probably have no clue what you even are talking about.
Tamriel, not Tamerial, Temerial or Tamériál
Alkosh, not Alkoash
Dolmen, not Dolman
Olorime, not Oloramie
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✭Selling crowns to gold is permitted by ZOS and was acknowledged as such by Gina /threadRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!2 -
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✭✭✭✭I think it's great. It allows me to purchase CS items with gold rather than my own money.2 -
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✭We live in a time where companies can develop their own form of currency, and may also choose the ways in which it can be regulated for fear of restriction at the offenders risk. Imagine a bank wiping my account because I was using my money to pay for hookers and cocaine. Would be weird right? Welcome to the future online.
I wonder how long until these kinds of currencies will be traded on the open market.....!? :thinking:PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
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✭✭I am confused here... how is it Pay to Win?
Are those with the gold buying crown items getting some undisclosed item that grant them a huge apparent advantage over others in all content, like PvP?
Or are those selling their own crown getting some extra bonuses that cannot be obtainable by any other means while maintaining a clear advantage over others?
All i am seeing here is player a wants item b in crown store, doesn't wany to fork over rl money, but player c has it, they make trade. While you, player b seem upset about it...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Irellevant if its P2W or not it causes inflation and destroys the economy and therefore must be restricted.
... it doesn't create any gold, it only shifts it between players. How does it "cause inflation"?
If you could buy actual new gold, from the crown store, with crowns - that would be generating new gold with $, and could cause inflation. But that's not the case here.
(And actually, if the person who spends the crowns to buy gold - presumably because they really really want something they need gold for - then it's going to quickly reduce the gold supply. Because they either buy something expensive from a guild trader, triggering trading fees, feeding into the "pay for next week's trader" fund, etc; or they buy an expensive in-game item from a vendor, like a Big Expensive House, and even more gold leaves the economy.)Edited by Kiralyn2000 on April 14, 2019 2:20PM10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***6 -
Cążki✭✭✭✭This mechanism is same as WoW token and many same types in other games to change gold. Very good.Edited by Cążki on April 14, 2019 2:24PMAltmer skooma dealer.
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How is "buying" COSMETIC items pay to win? Explain that one to me.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso4 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.Edited by Universe on April 14, 2019 2:28PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Irellevant if its P2W or not it causes inflation and destroys the economy and therefore must be restricted.
it does the exact opposite of destroying economy. how? it shifts gold to people who would actualy spend it and as such - people who are sellers - can make MORE gold becasue they now have more costumers with buying power.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***3 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
and btw, I
m coming from a perspective of a crown BUYER. in case you are about to say anything about how I'm one of the people who "skips" the process.Edited by Linaleah on April 14, 2019 2:32PMdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***2 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭While I don't care for the system in principle, I like that the gold->crowns conversion is a great thing. I don't do either as I have over 10m gold I don't use and, since my recent 12 month ESO+ purchase, 30k crowns I don't use, but I think it is great for people who want to grind gold for crown store items.
There are enough BOE sets to make buying gold for cash a bit sketchy. Thing is, this approved informal conversion is a counter to 3rd party gold sellers that take money out of the game. I would rather see ZOS getting revenue for those gold sales and players benefiting from both sides of the transactions than encourages bots.1 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
No one can make the amount of gold the traders of crown store items for gold make per day.
Many of them have millions upon millions of gold, maybe even close to a billion gold!
There is no better method for accumulating gold than crown store gifting.
you are missing a small but crucial step in your equation. the ONLY reason they are able to "make" that gold is because someone already made that much gold in game via in game means and now has it available for trade.
This has nothing to do with this.
The players who exchange the crown store item for gold skip the normal in-game process of farming the gold.
Players shouldn't be allowed to skip this process so easily.
I suggested to restrict it so it will be less common.Wildberryjack wrote: »
It's not cosmetic for the ones who receive the gold.
The gold can be used for non cosmetic items and features.
why? is this again the matter of "i did it the hard way and so should they?"
Exactly.
Now it is gold.
What's next ?
Skill lines and skyshards in the crown store, it is only a matter of time.
While the skill lines and skyshards will probably not be giftable, they will provide too much convenience.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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✭✭✭Dragneel1207 wrote: »u r argument is flawed and the end game gear cant be bought in guild store
There is end game PvP gear that is BOE.0
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