What to do if you cant Light Attack Weave / Light Attack animation cancel

Sergykid · May 2018

i barely reach 25k WITH light attack weave, so u r fine

Uviryth · May 2018

I´m more happy with the fact that it wasnt a L2Pissue, but an issue of everyone but one failing to explain it to me. With the above mentioned trick it took me less than an hour to learn

ilikepickles · May 2018

People suggesting an MMO mouse are dumb.
I hate those stupid things. They're clunky and awkward. I gave the one I had away.

I just bind everything to keyboard.

Uviryth · May 2018

ilikepickles wrote: »

People suggesting an MMO mouse are dumb.
I hate those stupid things. They're clunky and awkward. I gave the one I had away.

I just bind everything to keyboard.

Yeah I pretty much ignored them.

ilikepickles · May 2018

Uviryth wrote: »

ilikepickles wrote: »

People suggesting an MMO mouse are dumb.
I hate those stupid things. They're clunky and awkward. I gave the one I had away.

I just bind everything to keyboard.

Yeah I pretty much ignored them.

Want a real tip for practicing if you aren't willing to do the mindnumbing task of sitting at a dummy for ages?
Go pick up Imbue Weapon from the psijic line. It relies entirely on weaving, and has an extremely forgiving window. If you can get the hang of it, just swap into faster skills for it like Surprise Attack(or whatever applies to your class.)

munster1404 · May 2018

I started playing as a tank when I realised I’m never going to master LA weaving even after weeks spent hacking at a target dummy.

esotoon · May 2018

Uviryth wrote: »

Yeah I pretty much ignored them.

Charming. A MMO Mouse has been the solution to many people's control issues. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it is a valid suggestion.

Uviryth · May 2018

esotoon wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Yeah I pretty much ignored them.

Charming. A MMO Mouse has been the solution to many people's control issues. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it is a valid suggestion.

I ignored them because for that particular problem, the suggestion was just stupid.
I use specific gaming.-periphery for almost 20 years now. Currently a Roccat Kone EMP and a Ryos MK Pro.
Plus I play(ed) SC2 Platinum League, so my muscle memory is kinda top notch.

Uviryth · May 2018

ilikepickles wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

ilikepickles wrote: »

People suggesting an MMO mouse are dumb.
I hate those stupid things. They're clunky and awkward. I gave the one I had away.

I just bind everything to keyboard.

Yeah I pretty much ignored them.

Want a real tip for practicing if you aren't willing to do the mindnumbing task of sitting at a dummy for ages?
Go pick up Imbue Weapon from the psijic line. It relies entirely on weaving, and has an extremely forgiving window. If you can get the hang of it, just swap into faster skills for it like Surprise Attack(or whatever applies to your class.)

Thanks, but my problem was already solved a couple of posts ago

Banana · May 2018

If youve got a terrible and variable ping like me. Then tanking is the answer for anything difficult.

James-Wayne · May 2018

Raraaku wrote: »

The whole LA weave is a big reason why I don't typically role as DPS on harder content. I just can't do it consistently, and there is some conscious rebellion against doing it. I, personally, think its BS that the devs have embraced this "hidden" mechanic and yet do virtually nothing to teach a player how to do it, yet it is an expected skill (usually) for any veteran end-game content due to how much of a boost it provides to DPS roles. ZOS either needs to do a better job bringing attention and opportunities to practice in their game or find other avenues to help those who either don't want or can't do LA weaving.

@ZOS_RichLambert seeing we have embraced LA weaving in Summerset the next tutorial needs to include this... I'd love to see some stats on how people actually use light attack weaving

Jayman1000 · May 2018

If you can't actually do it, then just forget it. If you actually can do it, but just hate it, then just forget it. If you can do it and love it well keep at it.

LadyLethalla · May 2018

What about console plebs with bad internet - where LAs don't fire...? What are we supposed to do?
@ZOS_Wrobel

JinMori · May 2018

I don't believe you op, humans are extremely good at understanding rhythm/time, it's something that is hard wired into our brain, do you ever wonder why it seems so easy to follow or even anticipate the "beat" in a song, the reason is because our brain is very good at judging time, so unless you have some serious coordination problems, there is no way you cannot learn light attack weaving.

I think you are lying, or just not putting enough effort into it, if neither of those are the case, then i suggest you go to a medic to check if you have some serious coordination problems, which is very rare, this is even more true if you have gaming mouse and keyboard, that make ac even easier then it already is.

Ac becomes hard only if you have crazy high ping, like 400+, or if your ping is very volatile, this one especially, because your brain can still adapt to high ping if it;s not volatile.

DanteYoda · May 2018

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

As an aussie with 300 ping weaving is almost impossible for me as the servers mess all my skills and attacks up constantly.. I have to constantly press buttons multiple times and my weapons continue to attack after i've stopped pressing my mouse etc.. Its a nightmare in open world i even die to dolmens occasionally because of it.

there is no way i'd ever be able to effectively do hard dungeons with such a ping time and i'd most likely just get kicked for standing in red stuff 24/7 as i cannot get out of it in time..

Honestly these low ping min maxers have no clue how hard it is to do this crap with 300+ pings..

Cously wrote: »

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.

There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

I have that second mouse and i still can't do it..

JinMori wrote: »

I don't believe you op, humans are extremely good at understanding rhythm/time, it's something that is hard wired into our brain, do you ever wonder why it seems so easy to follow or even anticipate the "beat" in a song, the reason is because our brain is very good at judging time, so unless you have some serious coordination problems, there is no way you cannot learn light attack weaving.

I think you are lying, or just not putting enough effort into it, if neither of those are the case, then i suggest you go to a medic to check if you have some serious coordination problems, which is very rare, this is even more true if you have gaming mouse and keyboard, that make ac even easier then it already is.

Ac becomes hard only if you have crazy high ping, like 400+, or if your ping is very volatile, this one especially, because your brain can still adapt to high ping if it;s not volatile.

I have a lot of issues with rhythm as i believe i'm tone deaf.. also i hate all music i never listen to music like other people as to me its all noise.. Sounds awful.. I even turn most game music off.

Hand eye coordination has zero to do with rhythm as well..

Yes at 320 ping this weaving crap is impossible.. not 400.. No one is lying other than you.

Seri · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

As an aussie with 300 ping weaving is almost impossible for me as the servers mess all my skills and attacks up constantly.. I have to constantly press buttons multiple times and my weapons continue to attack after i've stopped pressing my mouse etc.. Its a nightmare in open world i even die to dolmens occasionally because of it.

there is no way i'd ever be able to effectively do hard dungeons with such a ping time and i'd most likely just get kicked for standing in red stuff 24/7 as i cannot get out of it in time..

Honestly these low ping min maxers have no clue how hard it is to do this crap with 300+ pings..

Cously wrote: »

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.

There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

I have that second mouse and i still can't do it..

JinMori wrote: »

I don't believe you op, humans are extremely good at understanding rhythm/time, it's something that is hard wired into our brain, do you ever wonder why it seems so easy to follow or even anticipate the "beat" in a song, the reason is because our brain is very good at judging time, so unless you have some serious coordination problems, there is no way you cannot learn light attack weaving.

I think you are lying, or just not putting enough effort into it, if neither of those are the case, then i suggest you go to a medic to check if you have some serious coordination problems, which is very rare, this is even more true if you have gaming mouse and keyboard, that make ac even easier then it already is.

Ac becomes hard only if you have crazy high ping, like 400+, or if your ping is very volatile, this one especially, because your brain can still adapt to high ping if it;s not volatile.

I have a lot of issues with rhythm as i believe i'm tone deaf.. also i hate all music i never listen to music like other people as to me its all noise.. Sounds awful.. I even turn most game music off.

Hand eye coordination has zero to do with rhythm as well..

Yes at 320 ping this weaving crap is impossible.. not 400.. No one is lying other than you.

As an Aussie also with 300 ping, I want to mention that you can still weave with that amount of latency. Even 400 (for my occasional visit to the EU server). Sure, your dps will still be lower than a 60ms player, but you _can_ weave with that ping, as long as it is relatively consistent. Variable ping is where it falls apart.

As for standing in red, I agree - reflexes need to be quicker to get out of the bad stuff, as I do also die to things that I appear to get out of in time.

Seri · May 2018

James-Wayne wrote: »

Raraaku wrote: »

The whole LA weave is a big reason why I don't typically role as DPS on harder content. I just can't do it consistently, and there is some conscious rebellion against doing it. I, personally, think its BS that the devs have embraced this "hidden" mechanic and yet do virtually nothing to teach a player how to do it, yet it is an expected skill (usually) for any veteran end-game content due to how much of a boost it provides to DPS roles. ZOS either needs to do a better job bringing attention and opportunities to practice in their game or find other avenues to help those who either don't want or can't do LA weaving.

@ZOS_RichLambert seeing we have embraced LA weaving in Summerset the next tutorial needs to include this... I'd love to see some stats on how people actually use light attack weaving

Unless people either _only_ light attack, or never light attack, I'd actually be surprised if people aren't doing some form of weave, even if they don't know it. Obviously not to the degree that high dps players do, but most LA animations are pretty long so the chance that they might get clipped somewhere near the end wouldn't surprise me.

thestud2012 · May 2018

Avalon wrote: »

Any suggestions for people with controllers? I have arthritis, as well as other problems, so LA is a pain (literally), but doable. I have been doing kind of a 'dirty' way of HA weaving that has been working, but not sure if it is the way I am supposed to be doing it (might be): hold down HA, and wait for wind-up, then use ability? How to do LA weaving? Cannot just hold down attack, and rapid pressing = severe pain after playing a bit... sometimes I wonder if ZOS is specifically telling old people to go screw themselves lol

The controller model can make a big difference. I'd recommend either the Xbox 1 or Xbox 360. The triggers are the perfect length and sensitivity. I also bought a controller with good grips. My wife races me for that one. Should probably buy another

Matei · May 2018

I never knew this was a thing. I probably have done some 'weaving' by accident, but since im a solo player its not important.

JinMori · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

As an aussie with 300 ping weaving is almost impossible for me as the servers mess all my skills and attacks up constantly.. I have to constantly press buttons multiple times and my weapons continue to attack after i've stopped pressing my mouse etc.. Its a nightmare in open world i even die to dolmens occasionally because of it.

there is no way i'd ever be able to effectively do hard dungeons with such a ping time and i'd most likely just get kicked for standing in red stuff 24/7 as i cannot get out of it in time..

Honestly these low ping min maxers have no clue how hard it is to do this crap with 300+ pings..

Cously wrote: »

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.

There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

I have that second mouse and i still can't do it..

JinMori wrote: »

I don't believe you op, humans are extremely good at understanding rhythm/time, it's something that is hard wired into our brain, do you ever wonder why it seems so easy to follow or even anticipate the "beat" in a song, the reason is because our brain is very good at judging time, so unless you have some serious coordination problems, there is no way you cannot learn light attack weaving.

I think you are lying, or just not putting enough effort into it, if neither of those are the case, then i suggest you go to a medic to check if you have some serious coordination problems, which is very rare, this is even more true if you have gaming mouse and keyboard, that make ac even easier then it already is.

Ac becomes hard only if you have crazy high ping, like 400+, or if your ping is very volatile, this one especially, because your brain can still adapt to high ping if it;s not volatile.

I have a lot of issues with rhythm as i believe i'm tone deaf.. also i hate all music i never listen to music like other people as to me its all noise.. Sounds awful.. I even turn most game music off.

Hand eye coordination has zero to do with rhythm as well..

Yes at 320 ping this weaving crap is impossible.. not 400.. No one is lying other than you.

Dude, i personally used weaving at 320 + ping, if it's stable it possible, not as easy as with a very low ping, but possible, also what you described is indeed a problem in your coordination, and how your brain works, sucks for you, blame it on mother nature.

You call me a liar and then describe something which proves that what i said was true, which was, unless you have some problem in coordination, which is basically how your brain works and process information, and this is your argument for saying that i'm a liar? Dude, you need to read your argument again, because if anything, you provided some evidence for my case.

when you do animation cancelling, there is a rhythm to it, if your brain is functioning normally, it will remember the time gap between abilities, and thanks to this, it will become easy to predict when exactly to press the mouse button or keyboard button, rhythm is all about understanding time, if you have problems at understanding small time gaps, like counting seconds, you will also have problems at understanding rhythm, and if you do not understand the rhythm, you will also have problems at coordinating your movements based on that rhythm, and there you go.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS : There's something wrong with a game when someone asks how to achieve an expected basic mechanic and many answers are "buy a mouse with side buttons" or "use macros".

0/10 for reading comprehension. 99% of players can weave just fine with a regular mouse and keyboard. OP said they couldn't, so the suggestion was to get an MMO mouse.

Aurielle · May 2018

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS : There's something wrong with a game when someone asks how to achieve an expected basic mechanic and many answers are "buy a mouse with side buttons" or "use macros".

Oh. My. God.

You don’t need an MMO mouse or macros to weave.

Enslaved · May 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS : There's something wrong with a game when someone asks how to achieve an expected basic mechanic and many answers are "buy a mouse with side buttons" or "use macros".

Oh. My. God.

You don’t need an MMO mouse or macros to weave.

This is true. On the other hand, MMO mouses or at least mouses with 2 side buttons will let you move more freely, making real difference in places that require lot of maneuvering, like vMA, PvP etc

Imza · July 2018

I find mmo mouse's to be too big and clunky for my small hands. I bought ($200) one and tried it for 2 months but couldn't get used to it and it ended up being a waste of money.

I have found that reassigning keys does help - I no longer open the character screen when trying to synergize.

I have found that the biggest problem in learning to la weave is that my hands do not go back to the exact same position on the keyboard...

EDIT:

Before you ask - in New Zealand MMO mice are very expensive...

IzzyStardust · March 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

MMO mice don't provide any advantages. It's all about muscle memory.

Plus; on a longer ongoing fight, like VAS+ (the trial is short yes, but the actual singular fight is long compared to other boss fights) I feel like having LA and skill bound to side keys on mouse would be a great way to get carpal tunnel syndrome; if you’re doing this all the time.

IzzyStardust · March 2019

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

It simply takes practice.

I have the same problem as to OP...weaving is hard for me no matter how much I practice. In fact, rotation is hard for me. I can't get the rhythm down, probably because I have poor eye/hand coordination.

Unless you’re practising 30 solid mins a day (and more like an hour, until you are used to it) you cannot fairly say ‘no matter how much I practise.’

mairwen85 · March 2019

There are heavy attack rotations, and one bar set ups capable of 45k plus. It's a matter of learning unless there are technical limitations, in which case the above options are viable. There are specialist controllers for disabilities (I linked in another thread) with mounts and adapters to even the playing field (foot pedals, large buttons, dpad extenders) and specialist keyboards with many of the same adaptations - - you can also custom map keys to better fit your hand.

Edit: linked post

mairwen85 wrote: »

https://amp.theguardian.com/games/2018/may/17/microsoft-xbox-disability-friendly-adaptive-controller

https://www.specialeffect.org.uk

Edit2:

I recently been playing on PC. I'm making the transition from xbox... Wish me luck... Already at level 21, I can't believe how much easier, fluid and overall smoother weaving is on PC compared to console. I guess my 120 ping to xbox live measures only that far, and there is a greater hidden latency beyond that to eso,but omg, it feels so much more organic.

r34lian · March 2019

NECROMANCY INCREASED TO 4

Gilvoth · March 2019

does remaping my keys on a keyboard cause lagg or high ping to happen?
i been wondering this for years and wonder if it is causeing all the problems with pvp lagg and high ping cause everyone remapped keys and also spaming animation canceling.

Rungar · March 2019

Some things dont change lol.