What to do if you cant Light Attack Weave / Light Attack animation cancel

Uviryth

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

Marabornwingrion

Bind light attack on mouse, instead of keyboard?
Practice more?
Stop playing as DD?

Jameliel

Don't care about going past 25k DPS.

AbysmalGhul

I thought PC had add-ons that allowed for weaving and cancelling ?

kaiage

I do it by accident I think, when I try to animation cancel it just don't work.

EDS604

get an mmo mouse with sidebuttons, makes ani-cancelling a lot easier, since you do both LA and skillpress with one hand.

MehrunesFlagon

It sounds like you need a gaming mouse.having one,and having your abilities and light/heavy attacks on the same device will make it alot more fluid.

red_emu

It simply takes practice. Don't forget you are trying to cancel light attack animation with the skill and not the other way round.

The easiest way to practice is to slot a skill that doesn't require an enemy to fire (like the Arrow Spray, since it's more of less the same type of animation as poison injection). Then try to click and press a skill key (1-5 default) at the same time. It won't work 100% of the time at the start but the more you practice, the more your muscle memory will be able to leave a split second between those two actions. It used to annoy me a lot at the start, as I just couldn't do it, but believe me! With practice you will get it!

Also, a gaming mouse with programmable buttons can be of help if it comes with a macro-builder. Some will call it cheating though. Don't know why and how, since a macro is subject to lag more than an input of two buttons.

Practice practice practice. Easier with a bow or staff but it's the same process. I only recently started LA weaving and oh my. It makes a lot of difference. It is even officially encouraged by ZOS, looking at the latest patch notes.

Good luck buddy

Ectheliontnacil

Try medium weaves. It's a lot easier than light attack weaving and you lose less time doing it.

Also keep practicing! I know you said you can't do it, but click your mouse, then press an ability. Doesn't matter if you wait 5s in between, slowly get faster and do dummy parses with it for hours. You'll get there .

Guess you could also use a light attack + ability macro with like a split second delay. Idk if that's allowed or not though.

Uviryth

red_emu wrote: »

Then try to click and press a skill key (1-5 default) at the same time.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

TI know you said you can't do it, but click your mouse, then press an ability.

What is it now. Pressing at the same time, or clcking then pressing?

Erraln

Unfortunately, this is a buff patch for light attack weaving. If you're unwilling or unable to practice and learn to perform them, you are going to be missing damage.

What class and rotation were you previously using? How much DPS were you able to do with it? We might be able to help you adjust to the current game version if we have some place to start.

Uviryth

Erraln wrote: »

Unfortunately, this is a buff patch for light attack weaving. If you're unwilling or unable to practice and learn to perform them, you are going to be missing damage.

I am willing, unfortunatel I couldnt find anything useful on that topic. All the hints for practicing I tried, doesnt seem to do anything for me. The light attacks just either wont get off or they wont clip.

What class and rotation were you previously using? How much DPS were you able to do with it? We might be able to help you adjust to the current game version if we have some place to start.

StaminaWarden with classic rotation (Endless Hail, Razor Caltrops, Poison Injection, WeaponSwitch, SubAssault, Trap, Cliffracer, Rending Slashed, Sub Assault, Switch, Renew)
I can do that in my sleep with Heavy Attack Weaving, but the minute I start lightattack it gets clunky, the skills wont get off, or the light attacks wont get off. Not to mention I run out of Stamina at 30% of the 3million-Targetdummy

Raraaku

The whole LA weave is a big reason why I don't typically role as DPS on harder content. I just can't do it consistently, and there is some conscious rebellion against doing it. I, personally, think its BS that the devs have embraced this "hidden" mechanic and yet do virtually nothing to teach a player how to do it, yet it is an expected skill (usually) for any veteran end-game content due to how much of a boost it provides to DPS roles. ZOS either needs to do a better job bringing attention and opportunities to practice in their game or find other avenues to help those who either don't want or can't do LA weaving.

DuskMarine

Uviryth wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Unfortunately, this is a buff patch for light attack weaving. If you're unwilling or unable to practice and learn to perform them, you are going to be missing damage.

I am willing, unfortunatel I couldnt find anything useful on that topic. All the hints for practicing I tried, doesnt seem to do anything for me. The light attacks just either wont get off or they wont clip.

What class and rotation were you previously using? How much DPS were you able to do with it? We might be able to help you adjust to the current game version if we have some place to start.

StaminaWarden with classic rotation (Endless Hail, Razor Caltrops, Poison Injection, WeaponSwitch, SubAssault, Trap, Cliffracer, Rending Slashed, Sub Assault, Switch, Renew)
I can do that in my sleep with Heavy Attack Weaving, but the minute I start lightattack it gets clunky, the skills wont get off, or the light attacks wont get off. Not to mention I run out of Stamina at 30% of the 3million-Targetdummy

some people with disabilities like this to keep up with pros use special macro mouses their not cheating just kinda a shortcut if you cant do certain things

Fur_like_snow

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

lynog85

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

There is no not being able to do it. Its really easy. Just practice.

DuskMarine

lynog85 wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

There is no not being able to do it. Its really easy. Just practice.

there are some that cant get the process like older people who play the game some of them cant get it down

MLGProPlayer

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

MMO mice don't provide any advantages. It's all about muscle memory.

MJallday

why dont you get a wired controller, plug it into the USB solt on your pc and use that if its easier? and then use the mouse / keyboard as well.

srfrogg23

Try a gaming mouse or a gamepad. Both are good options.

Cously

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.



There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

VilniusNastavnik

lynog85 wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

There is no not being able to do it. Its really easy. Just practice.

You clearly don't play with your ping sitting above 320 at all times purely because of geographical location do you?

Some people cannot weave due to disability, others because they don't want to embrace the ridiculous concept, and then there are those of us who are limited due to the terrible optimization of the game coupled with ping issues.

I can ping test to Dallas Texas from Sydney and ill get 203 Ping.. I get in ESO.. it's 317 on a good day.

To answer your question, OP. Two options
1. Go support class.
I have 1 Tank, 1 Healer, 1 Hybrid Tank Healer, an a Pet Tank in the works.
I have 1 thief that is only there to pick people's pockets and cut their throats.
I have 1 PvE DPS for adventures.
I have assessed my situation and resided myself to never being able to weave due to things that are out of my control and as such, tend to focus on support roles.

2. Design a non meta build that will allow you to get there. It will not work for others, but it will work for you.
I tried Alcast's builds.. I don't pull the numbers due to weaving, but at the same time, I pull more with my own set up on my mag sorc than I do with Alcasts, and that is a comfortable 30K DPS without having to weave, self buffed.

srfrogg23

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

MMO mice don't provide any advantages. It's all about muscle memory.

Sort of. If you’re right hand dominant, it can help to shift the majority of combat related tasks to the right hand by using a mouse with thumb buttons and it makes it easier to develop that muscle memory.

With my gaming mouse, all of my combat related buttons are at my right hand while movement and interactions are at my left hand. It’s not really about gaining an advantage so much as it is about delegating tasks between my left and right hands more evenly.

Avran_Sylt

I run a mouse that has two side buttons.
I don't want to deal with the num-pad like setup that others have on the side of their mouse, so to make that work I do this:

Bind two abilities to the side buttons, then bind the others to the Mouse scroll wheel.
Scroll wheel up, Scroll wheel down, Scroll wheel click.
(Ultimate is still R though)

This might work for you, or it may not, but having it on one hand like many others have said makes it a lot easier. You don't have to synchronize two hand patterns, just practice patterns with one.

danno8

Cously wrote: »

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.



There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

While I think gaming mice are great for the general population, if someone is having trouble LA weaving suggesting they get a gaming mouse so they can do it all with one hand is like suggesting they play the game with one hand tied behind their back.

If they are having trouble using two (functional) hands, why would doing it all with one hand be easier? Using a gaming mouse raises the ceiling on what you can do, but it doesn't make it easier imo.

To the OP, 4 years ago when people realized that LA weaving was a huge portion of DPS it took me several weeks of forcing myself to do it before it became second nature. Now if I try to NOT do it I can't!

Cously

danno8 wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.



There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

While I think gaming mice are great for the general population, if someone is having trouble LA weaving suggesting they get a gaming mouse so they can do it all with one hand is like suggesting they play the game with one hand tied behind their back.

If they are having trouble using two (functional) hands, why would doing it all with one hand be easier? Using a gaming mouse raises the ceiling on what you can do, but it doesn't make it easier imo.

To the OP, 4 years ago when people realized that LA weaving was a huge portion of DPS it took me several weeks of forcing myself to do it before it became second nature. Now if I try to NOT do it I can't!

Could be is a comfort problem, or like op mentioned his brain can't wire for keyboard + mouse. I mentioned doing things with one hand to demonstrate how useful that piece of hardware can be (since is rather expensive for a mouse). I believe maybe the OP can discover a whole new world with such mouse because his gameplay will be done from another perspective (hand position) which might enable his brain to wire better to weaving and finally do it. It's really like gynastics, a simple change into angles and inclinations allow for the perfect leap.

MLGProPlayer

Cously wrote: »

Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

You do realize you can rebind your controls, right?

I use Q, E, C, X, Z, R for my skills. Tab for consumable and left Alt for synergy. Dodge roll and weapon swap bound to back/forward buttons on mouse.

MLGProPlayer

danno8 wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

Great for both manual and macro use. In fact it allows so much independance playing with one hand that I often eat my dinner as I do trials and bgs. Don't bother with macros if your latency is high. If have no money then there is a less buttom version.



There are other brands if you need to go even cheaper, I use a Brazilian one. Honestly I can't use the keyboard anymore, it just feels so counter intuitive to use 1-6 there.

Failing training of muscle memory, failing help from hardware...go Tank or Heals if you want to go for leaderboard or complete achievements. 25K is enough to complete trials on normal and veteran, you might be unable to do hard mode, will depend a lot on guild skill / mood.

If you suck on everything make friends with people, lots of my friends carry my ass all day long on vet dungeons and trials :P I do carry them on pvp though.

While I think gaming mice are great for the general population, if someone is having trouble LA weaving suggesting they get a gaming mouse so they can do it all with one hand is like suggesting they play the game with one hand tied behind their back.

If they are having trouble using two (functional) hands, why would doing it all with one hand be easier? Using a gaming mouse raises the ceiling on what you can do, but it doesn't make it easier imo.

To the OP, 4 years ago when people realized that LA weaving was a huge portion of DPS it took me several weeks of forcing myself to do it before it became second nature. Now if I try to NOT do it I can't!

MMO mice do not raise your skill ceiling. An FPS mouse raises your skill ceiling in shooters by objectively improving tracking. An MMO mouse doesn't do anything better than a traditional KB+M setup.

esotoon

danno8 wrote: »

If they are having trouble using two (functional) hands, why would doing it all with one hand be easier?

Your right and left hands are controlled by different sides of your brain. I’m guessing, based on personal experience, that because of this, some people find it easier if all related actions are carried out by one side of the brain, rather than splt across the two. So in ESO, where the light attacks and skills need to be timed together perfectly (and rhythmically), it is easier for some to have them done by the same hand, whilst the other hand (other half of the brain) is doing the movement, which doesn’t need such tight coordination.

Wolfenbelle

red_emu wrote: »

It simply takes practice.

I have the same problem as to OP...weaving is hard for me no matter how much I practice. In fact, rotation is hard for me. I can't get the rhythm down, probably because I have poor eye/hand coordination.

DarkAedin

Uviryth wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Then try to click and press a skill key (1-5 default) at the same time.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

TI know you said you can't do it, but click your mouse, then press an ability.

What is it now. Pressing at the same time, or clcking then pressing?

Firstly:
Eso works off butten release, when u press a button other then la/block/roll dodge, the ability doesnt fire off untill after u release the butten (not when u press the ability's butten).

Secondly:
Light attack then hit ur ability to cut the animation of la. First; start out slow and deliberate. Then, as u get used to it, speed up ur animation cutting of the light attacks (this is light attack weaving)

Pre summerset la weaving produced an additional 4-5k tops (including vma staff backbar to increase the dmg of ur la/ha) so if ur not shooting for hardcore mode ur fine not weaving, altho i strongly recommend trying to train urself to do it as it makes u a more reactive and better player generally speaking.

I am a 35 year old with 2 fingers on my left hand that were crushed at an ironworking gig and arthritis is starting to set in. I am currently having no issues, and do a perfect light weave (practice).

The issue i normally see newer players having is that they dont know about butten pressing so they are holding down the ability too long and releasing it when they light attack, and/or are hitting thier buttens too quickly (usually the case) and not timing out thier butten presses.


Hope u find this helpful