What to do if you cant Light Attack Weave / Light Attack animation cancel

Merlin13KAGL

Gilvoth wrote: »

does remaping my keys on a keyboard cause lagg or high ping to happen?
i been wondering this for years and wonder if it is causeing all the problems with pvp lagg and high ping cause everyone remapped keys and also spaming animation canceling.

Keymapping takes place client side, so no, it has zero effect on ping or lag.

I'm pretty sure "spamming animation canceling" is an oxymoron. (Hint: Also has zero effect on lag/ping.)

LiquidPony

Aurielle wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS : There's something wrong with a game when someone asks how to achieve an expected basic mechanic and many answers are "buy a mouse with side buttons" or "use macros".

Oh. My. God.

You don’t need an MMO mouse or macros to weave.

Agreed.

And actually, standing still in front of a target, I find it much easier to weave LA (LMB) with skills (1-5 on keyboard). However, an MMO mouse does, for me, make doing other things much easier. Namely, moving while doing a rotation. So like a lot of people, I bind 1-5 to my MMO mouse so that my left hand is primarily concerned with movement-related keys.

The_Lex

Not sure if this helps, but you could be trying to LA>skill too quickly. I found out after several hours on a dummy that my DPS increased when I slowed down the cadence between the light attack and the skill. After a while, the proper combo speed for me was reminiscent to the sound of a normal resting heart beat.

Balticthunder

Lol and I thought games are meant to have fun and relax....

LiquidPony

Balticthunder wrote: »

Lol and I thought games are meant to have fun and relax....

Weird how everyone has different ways of having fun, eh?

Mintaka5

Ya know when I first learned to play a drum set, it was aggravating. The default arrangement that every drummer uses just didn't feel right to me, and no matter how much I practiced, I never got better. My instructor asked what the issue was, and I told him that everything felt backwards. So he suggested to change the arrangement of the set so that it was more comfortable (switched kick to left foot, and high-hat went on the right, and angled snare to face right instead of toward me). This was a game changer.

Anyhow, learn to play with different controllers and KB+M set ups. Also what was a huge advantage for me was always arranging skills in a particular order, no matter what build I was using. I put more frequently used skill and spammers in order on 2,3, and 4, and shields, and DOTs on 1 and 5, or stuff that I don't need to cast often.

Iskiab

Do what I do, just play a healer. There’s also a pet sorc build that I heard always uses heavy attacks instead but I haven’t tried it.

Looking at 2 handers there might be a rotation that involves lots of heavy attacks, but if there is no one’s found it.

Hardest part of light attacking for me is the extra lag from trials. I can’t count the number of times I realized I’ve hit elemental weapon 3x in a row and not done any damage. Dummy’s one thing, in the real game it’s a lot different.

Issue is something called packet loss or something like that? ESO just doesn’t work well as a dps if you don’t have a really good internet connection. I’ve never seen an MMO with such a massive difference between the top end and average dps, it’s just stupid.

Shalktonin

Raraaku wrote: »

The whole LA weave is a big reason why I don't typically role as DPS on harder content. I just can't do it consistently, and there is some conscious rebellion against doing it. I, personally, think its BS that the devs have embraced this "hidden" mechanic and yet do virtually nothing to teach a player how to do it, yet it is an expected skill (usually) for any veteran end-game content due to how much of a boost it provides to DPS roles. ZOS either needs to do a better job bringing attention and opportunities to practice in their game or find other avenues to help those who either don't want or can't do LA weaving.

Thank you. this is so true and so well put.

FrancisCrawford

adeptusminor wrote: »

Something that might help you with the timing--With how this game does heavy and light attacks, light attacks go off when you release the mouse button, not on mouse button click. So the timing goes like "mouse click/release--ability button press"

I suspect this is the key point I've been missing, and somehow your explanation is clearer to me than a couple others of the same point earlier in this thread. Thanks!

FrancisCrawford

Just to be clear:

In a parse with no heavy attacks and no cast time skills, one should be averaging around one light attack per second? Less? More for some reason?

ilikepickles wrote: »

People suggesting an MMO mouse are dumb.
I hate those stupid things. They're clunky and awkward. I gave the one I had away.

I just bind everything to keyboard.

I briefly tried firing skills from an MMO mouse, a couple games ago. I hated it.

HOWEVER, I love my Logitech G300 series mice with ESO. Bar swap on an extra mouse button is super-smooth. Ditto synergy-grab/backstab (the X key by default). Ditto hide/unhide. I still have a serious problem with moving in combat, because the movement keys are operated by the same (left) hand that hits skills. But SOME of the game's traditional difficulties are pretty foreign to me.

r34lian

Why do people keep on necroing dead old threads o_O

linoge63

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

Indeed and i'd recommend the Logitech G600 combined with the G13 gaming pad...total game changer pun not intended

mocap

you just press numeric key '1' then mouse button. Then 2, then mouse button.

If it still hard you can go burst spam, but sustain will be low or need many heavys. Templar with Warmaiden, Julianos and Grothdarr will give you 26k to 30k (group buffs) dps with just Solar Barrage as combat opener, Spear and/or Blockade + JABJABJABJABJAB.

Also there are Werevolf builds and 'heavy' heavy attack builds (mag/stam DK usualy).

Hotdog_23

Glad a solution was found for the original poster problem.

Just to add to the conversation. Please allow us on console to be able to reassign our buttons the way we want and not left with the one setup you decide we should play with.

I have some arthritis in my hands and at times I am just physically about to perform AC correctly with my right index finger. I believe being able to move the trigger finger to another button would be very helpful at times. Their are times when I have a bad flare up that I don't do group content because I am not able to perform AC correctly.

ShimmerDoll

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Iskiab

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Make sure you’re cancelling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

ShimmerDoll

Iskiab wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Make sure you’re cancelling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

I am sometimes. It's easy to get it mixed up though. I think it's just something I can't do well. I've watched recent videos people made on this and I a lot of it is doing it long term but also reliably, at least for me.

Rustyfish101

Something I do which may help is I am constantly spam clicking while fighting and I always watch my character. As soon as a skill goes off I wait to see the light attack animation start and then I press my next button and repeat. Try practicing on a dummy with just a spammable then slowly start a rotation. Don't try to go fast at first either, going fast will come with practice, get the feel for it down first.

mairwen85

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Make sure you’re cancelling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

I am sometimes. It's easy to get it mixed up though. I think it's just something I can't do well. I've watched recent videos people made on this and I a lot of it is doing it long term but also reliably, at least for me.

This sounds like you're going too fast. The trick is to slow down. Try this: don't worry about numbers to start with, just learn the rhythm - - hit light attack, wait for it to impact, then skill, wait for impact, repeat - - gradually get faster, or reduce speed until you find your sweet spot where you can comfortably hit the buttons sequentially in the smallest window. This will differ per person, per setup, so it will take some time. Start off just on one bar, no swapping, with just 1 or 2 skills. Once you can do that, extend to partial rotation without swapping until youre happy with it, then add in a bar swap and parse a full rotation. Again, not worrying about numbers, repeat that full rotation, have a breather in between until you have it down pat, then parse... Just parse. Slot your skills in the order you will execute them for smaller hand movements.

This is a lot harder on console due to input lag, anyone making the leap to pc should view their time on console as dragon ball z style gravity training...

FrancisCrawford

I hope no mod is stupid enough to close this thread. It is NOT outdated.

NBrookus

Serious answers:

If both hands work well, this is a practice issue. You can do this.
If your right hand works well, get an MMO mouse with all the thumb buttons.
If your left hand works well, get footpedals and bind skills to the pedals and mouse clicking to a comfortable keyboard key.
If neither hand works well, for pve you can set up macros to weave LA for you or make a heavy attack or channeled build, neither of which will get you in top tier but overland and basic dungeons will be fine. Or, forget weaving and take a potential 25% dps loss. Or make another accommodation that works for you that might include. on-standard computer hardware.

If you want to pvp without weaving, accept that sometimes you will just get your teeth kicked in and there's going to be nothing you can do about it.

MLGProPlayer

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

MMO mice aren't "proper gaming mice". They're overpriced junk. They're big, heavy, and have crappy sensors.

You can absolutely weave just fine with a mouse (a proper, lightweight mouse with a premium sensor) and keyboard.

Keewo

I can recommend the Addon "Light Attack Helper"

ShimmerDoll

mairwen85 wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Make sure you’re canceling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

I am sometimes. It's easy to get it mixed up though. I think it's just something I can't do well. I've watched recent videos people made on this and I a lot of it is doing it long term but also reliably, at least for me.

This sounds like you're going too fast. The trick is to slow down. Try this: don't worry about numbers to start with, just learn the rhythm - - hit light attack, wait for it to impact, then skill, wait for impact, repeat - - gradually get faster, or reduce speed until you find your sweet spot where you can comfortably hit the buttons sequentially in the smallest window. This will differ per person, per setup, so it will take some time. Start off just on one bar, no swapping, with just 1 or 2 skills. Once you can do that, extend to partial rotation without swapping until youre happy with it, then add in a bar swap and parse a full rotation. Again, not worrying about numbers, repeat that full rotation, have a breather in between until you have it down pat, then parse... Just parse. Slot your skills in the order you will execute them for smaller hand movements.

This is a lot harder on console due to input lag, anyone making the leap to pc should view their time on console as dragon ball z style gravity training...

heh, I get that DBZ reference. I feel like a female Vegeta looking at other players who can do it fine and Goku going super Saiyan while he was still struggling with it. I have been practicing this for 3 years and some and still just can't seem to get it. I probably am going to fast. I am used to very fast games and play quite a few outside of ESO. I wanted ESO to be a relaxing fantasy game and it is but when I get to playing harder content with others I am awful with this cancel stuff. I try but it's so hard to explain why it's not easy to do. I will keep practicing but I have put in more hours practicing weaving in ESO than I have learning to play and MASTER guitar. It's insane and very depressing. I so badly want to do vet stuff and get my monster helm and just do the vet dungeons but my DPS is bad. I feel bad even posting about it. It's embarrassing since I jump into other stuff I play and do so well and eso complete opposite. I have invested so much rl money into stuff in this game It feels like it's all for nothing if I just give up, yet 1000s of hours of trying to pull off weaving and not doing it discourages me. I can do maelstrom and stuff like that fine but that's more about surviving in my opinion or at least playstyle. I'm bored with doing normal dungeons and never touching vet or monster helm stuff because the times I tried I was doing awful damage.

And yes I have MMO mice and all kinds of mice for various games. I play a lot of games but this weave/canceling is just something I can't grasp. Another interesting thing is in the 3+ years I've been practicing light/weave and failing, I learned a new language and how to model in 3dsmax. I think if weaving was a thing I could actually do with practice and believe me I have, I'd have gotten it by now.

Sephyr

LiquidPony wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS : There's something wrong with a game when someone asks how to achieve an expected basic mechanic and many answers are "buy a mouse with side buttons" or "use macros".

Oh. My. God.

You don’t need an MMO mouse or macros to weave.

Agreed.

And actually, standing still in front of a target, I find it much easier to weave LA (LMB) with skills (1-5 on keyboard). However, an MMO mouse does, for me, make doing other things much easier. Namely, moving while doing a rotation. So like a lot of people, I bind 1-5 to my MMO mouse so that my left hand is primarily concerned with movement-related keys.

There's also some issues with the crosshair that makes it where either your skill or light attack won't fire properly, thus appearing like you're not doing it. So it's also about having your 'sights' on that target.

carlos424

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

Heavy attack sorcs are still viable. Lightning staves, sets to proc heavy attacks, off balance. It’s not meta, but still pretty strong.

Grandma

1) get a mouse like others have suggested that's capable of helping
2) play healer/tank where weaving isn't as necessary or critical
3) don't worry about going over 25k unless you plan to do vet dlc raids

SidraWillowsky

Iskiab wrote: »

Make sure you’re cancelling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

EXCEPT for me, I find that ability -> LA is what works for bows. It's hard to LA cancel with endless hail because of the cast time. I weave "backwards" on the bow bar and from what I've seen the pros do too.

I use a controller (Razer Wolverine Tournament Edition) on PC and for me that feels a lot more comfortable. I guess theoretically that KM will always out-DPS a controller, but I've hit 48k DPS on the 6 mil using the controller, so it's not stopping me from doing any content in the game.

@ShimmerDoll- are you PC/NA? I would love to help you if so. I'm trying to upload a video of a parse I did on my stamblade without weaving (or at least trying not to... it's deeply ingrained in my muscle memory at this point) and ended up with 24k DPS, which isn't too bad. I'll try again on the upload...

An_An

I agree with the above post.

If you have access to a target skeleton. Just practice light attack weaving while spamming one ability. It takes a while but soon you will be doing that naturally for every ability (even when you’re a magblade with an inferno against a DK with wings ... sigh)

I couldn’t do that for ages but there is a rhythm to it which comes with practice.

You can also try phonetic tricks ... I use the tic toc phonetic ... so while practicing I go ...

Tic toc... tic toc ... tic toc ...

Or

Ba dum ... ba dum .... ba dum ...

Heelie

I don't really see how you can have issues with light attack weaving, unlike what some people seem to suggest here, you can spam left click and pres your rotation and come out successfully light attack weaving. It's not a matter of perfect timing. People should stop spreading the myth that light attack weaving is impossible and takes ages to learn. The 1 second global cooldown on skills even allow for you to get a bash in there as well, at the cost of sustain.

If you're trying to learn it thinking it's the most convoluted thing in the world you will overthink it, and it will prob result in doing it wrong. Try and spam left click during your rotation at different click rates and at some point it will match perfectly with your skill cast.