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They're actually going through with the racial changes...
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kalle_Demos wrote: »Kalle_Demos wrote: »Sabbathius wrote: »I just wish they would let us have a week, or even just a weekend, of free race/name changes. I'm fine with the need to rebalance, but when they completely WRECK highly optimized, role-play-named characters with these changes, it's really hard to swallow. I'm sitting at 14 chars right now, and there's no way in HECK that I will pay them 3,500 x 14 = 50k crowns just to get them back to optimal. I know ZOS is a super-greedy bunch, but this is absurd. And facing the prospect of spending years playing sub-optimal characters, after spending many, many months making these characters individually as optimal, does not feel good.
In short, racial review is fine. But give us a week of free race/name changes so we can rebuild our WRECKED character lineup. Convenience store rules: you break it, you pay for it. You broke it, but now you want US to pay for it. Not cool, dudes, not cool.
Tone-deaf is the word on the street these days. Not only did Race Change Tokens go on sale right on time, I'm old enough to remember when Zos said they had 'heard' our feedback on heavy handed changes. Now this. With more nerfs as a bonus.
Do you honestly think this was heavy handed? O.o damn, son... You need to learn a thing or two about life...
Zos knows they are heavy handed. Why would they give Race Change Tokens for free if they didn't think their changes would warrant one?
They are doing this to accommodate our mains. If it was heavy handed, if they thought it was heavy handed, they would give us a chance to change them all.
Or, if they are such buttholes as some here claim, not even the one for our mains.
Nah... This was a perfectly ok change. Whether they'll cave to whiners or not, it is not needed. There are already enough tests around showing that. Go look for them.0 -
keevil111✭✭✭✭Dark Elves lost flame damage, so what? They got spell damage in return.
Now if you want to use fire damage, Dunmer aren't BIS for it.
Now there are other comparable races to choose = diversity.PS4 NA3 -
alanmatillab16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I have to laugh at the irony of the loudest complainers. The loudest complainers are the minimax sell-my-body-for 1% more on the damage meter types. It is those types that have brought these changes in with their incessant complaining that xyz class/race combo does 2% more damage so their build is "broken" or "not viable".
When all the characters and races are the same you know which group of players to point the finger at.4 -
JiKama✭✭✭✭My Altmer magblade is now a stamblade, because goofy reasons lol. That passive may be the only thing related to stamina, but he will have a higher Magicka pool for PvP.
Just think!!! My surprise attacks will only cost 1800 stamina every 6 seconds LOL. I'm doing it because I don't like magblade and a friend is AD for PvP. Reasons :P 0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »I have to laugh at the irony of the loudest complainers. The loudest complainers are the minimax sell-my-body-for 1% more on the damage meter types. It is those types that have brought these changes in with their incessant complaining that xyz class/race combo does 2% more damage so their build is "broken" or "not viable".
When all the characters and races are the same you know which group of players to point the finger at.
I don't even min max𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »I have to laugh at the irony of the loudest complainers. The loudest complainers are the minimax sell-my-body-for 1% more on the damage meter types. It is those types that have brought these changes in with their incessant complaining that xyz class/race combo does 2% more damage so their build is "broken" or "not viable".
When all the characters and races are the same you know which group of players to point the finger at.
It's not the players.
If everyone ends up playing the same race/class/build combo, that means racials are poorly designed and/or just a bad idea, in the first place.
I play a sub par race, but that that is just because I'm a stubborn, maverick type.
I think things should be designed to be fair and equal.
However, if I was aiming to to taken seriously in endgame PVE, I would probably be forced to capitulate.
That is just the way it is.Edited by Tigerseye on January 26, 2019 7:02AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »I have to laugh at the irony of the loudest complainers. The loudest complainers are the minimax sell-my-body-for 1% more on the damage meter types. It is those types that have brought these changes in with their incessant complaining that xyz class/race combo does 2% more damage so their build is "broken" or "not viable".
When all the characters and races are the same you know which group of players to point the finger at.
It's not the players.
If everyone ends up playing the same race/class/build combo, that means racials are poorly designed and/or just a bad idea, in the first place.
I play a sub par race, but that that is just because I'm a stubborn, maverick type.
I think things should be designed to be fair and equal.
However, if I was aiming to to taken seriously in endgame PVE, I would probably be forced to capitulate.
That is just the way it is.
They didn't make every race equal in that regard (which is good) but they created more options for Magicka and Stamina DPS. What's the meta now? Altmer/Dunmer for Magicka and Redguard for Stamina. With the upcoming changes Magicka will have four BiS races where the differences are somewhere between ~ 1.5%, Altmer/Dunmer/Khajiit/Breton. Stamina will have more BiS races as well with Dunmer becoming one of them. So in the end, even if it's not perfect, the diversity is bigger after the changes. Which is good!PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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It will be changes, guess an buff to imperials.
Some minor adjustments like increasing stamina and magic regen on Khajiit to 100.
Overall it looks pretty balanced.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* If you don't provide actual data (as in where, and what the target group was, etc.) it's fair useless. I'm not saying I disagree with the graph you posted, but then again, ESO isn't honestly part of the TES "lineage". Leaving ESO out of your "posted results" - the rest is probably spot on.
This is the poll posted in the general MMO forum with like 90k+ people. I could post it in many other different ones but this was the easiest to find. Yes, I know I forgot to add a few more but oh well.
Doesn't matter that the forum has 90k+ people. You only have 150 or so votes. 150 people, as an audience, is 100% irrelevant. As a reference, in 5 yeaos if ESO, an average of 6 THOUSAND people bought the game every day. You're polling with 150.... Notice just how out if scale your data is? "Data", even. Irrelevant data isn't data, is just noise. Technical term.
The poll now has like 300+ voters and the results are still similar.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* If you don't provide actual data (as in where, and what the target group was, etc.) it's fair useless. I'm not saying I disagree with the graph you posted, but then again, ESO isn't honestly part of the TES "lineage". Leaving ESO out of your "posted results" - the rest is probably spot on.
This is the poll posted in the general MMO forum with like 90k+ people. I could post it in many other different ones but this was the easiest to find. Yes, I know I forgot to add a few more but oh well.
Doesn't matter that the forum has 90k+ people. You only have 150 or so votes. 150 people, as an audience, is 100% irrelevant. As a reference, in 5 yeaos if ESO, an average of 6 THOUSAND people bought the game every day. You're polling with 150.... Notice just how out if scale your data is? "Data", even. Irrelevant data isn't data, is just noise. Technical term.
The poll now has like 300+ voters and the results are still similar.
Dude... Go study statistics. Just... Seriously.... 300 is just irrelevant as 150. SPECIALLY when you don't know your demographic... They may be seriously skewed because "general forums" are never that general... Over time, there will always be a prevalent set of like minded people that attract more like minded people and shoo away the others... The older the forum, the larger the effect can potentially be. Case in point, ESO forum here is heavily contaminated with elitist arrogant min-maxers that forget everything else that exists in the game. They spread like cancer.
If you (think you) understand the importance of polling but don't understand the importance of demographic and the subtleties of statistics, then we're done here because you don't understand statistics at all.0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* If you don't provide actual data (as in where, and what the target group was, etc.) it's fair useless. I'm not saying I disagree with the graph you posted, but then again, ESO isn't honestly part of the TES "lineage". Leaving ESO out of your "posted results" - the rest is probably spot on.
This is the poll posted in the general MMO forum with like 90k+ people. I could post it in many other different ones but this was the easiest to find. Yes, I know I forgot to add a few more but oh well.
Doesn't matter that the forum has 90k+ people. You only have 150 or so votes. 150 people, as an audience, is 100% irrelevant. As a reference, in 5 yeaos if ESO, an average of 6 THOUSAND people bought the game every day. You're polling with 150.... Notice just how out if scale your data is? "Data", even. Irrelevant data isn't data, is just noise. Technical term.
The poll now has like 300+ voters and the results are still similar.
Dude... Go study statistics. Just... Seriously.... 300 is just irrelevant as 150. SPECIALLY when you don't know your demographic... They may be seriously skewed because "general forums" are never that general... Over time, there will always be a prevalent set of like minded people that attract more like minded people and shoo away the others... The older the forum, the larger the effect can potentially be. Case in point, ESO forum here is heavily contaminated with elitist arrogant min-maxers that forget everything else that exists in the game. They spread like cancer.
If you (think you) understand the importance of polling but don't understand the importance of demographic and the subtleties of statistics, then we're done here because you don't understand statistics at all.
If you know anything about statistics is that not the entire world needs to participate. You could still take a small number and use it to represent everyone else but at a bigger scale. 100 voters could predict the results at 300 or even 1000 voters and that's exactly what happened. The results with the initial 100 are basically the same at 300 now but with bigger numbers. The placing has not changed.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I know. Great, isn't it? I can't wait for the racial changes to go through!
Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.0 -
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✭✭More changes only game developers want? Get used to it. These guys need to justify their paychecks. Give 'em a break.0 -
Tetrafy✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* If you don't provide actual data (as in where, and what the target group was, etc.) it's fair useless. I'm not saying I disagree with the graph you posted, but then again, ESO isn't honestly part of the TES "lineage". Leaving ESO out of your "posted results" - the rest is probably spot on.
This is the poll posted in the general MMO forum with like 90k+ people. I could post it in many other different ones but this was the easiest to find. Yes, I know I forgot to add a few more but oh well.
Doesn't matter that the forum has 90k+ people. You only have 150 or so votes. 150 people, as an audience, is 100% irrelevant. As a reference, in 5 yeaos if ESO, an average of 6 THOUSAND people bought the game every day. You're polling with 150.... Notice just how out if scale your data is? "Data", even. Irrelevant data isn't data, is just noise. Technical term.
To be honest this matches up with population and general content with mmos. I agree with this pole and Ive near played all of them.0
