They're actually going through with the racial changes...

Vhozek

At least that's what it looks like since they're live on the PTS.
I don't think I want to keep playing this game. I haven't launched it in like 4 days.
I really don't want High Elves to somehow regenerate Stamina and Dark Elves to lose Flame Damage. Dark Elves are literally High Elves but with Stamina points, so why the hell are High Elves getting this?

Taunky

PTS is for testing. Things can be subject to change (don't hold your breath though).

Daedric_NB_187

What made you think they wouldn't?

Iluvrien

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

What made you think they wouldn't?

Well obviously we were supposed to trust all the people who said that players should stop worrying because the changes "aren't even on PTS yet!"...

... Yep, look at those big changes between the announcement and the implementation on PTS. Ooooh, I feel better already. /s

Latios

Well, if this kind of thing makes you want to leave the game, perhaps a break from it will do good for you. Really, I don't mean it in a rude way or anything. Done it a few times myself.

I do understand the fire damage frustration, and I believe magicka DKs should be buffed because of it, but we're talking about small numbers. It's not the end of the world.

Shardaxx

I can see my stam nb might need to grow a tail.

ruikkarikun

After last nerfs and things around you should rethink how this (and many other same base games) game developing works.
Once you admit that you were warned they can change any skill, set, anything in this game just because they want it, and you accepeted rules, things will be easier for you.

Just accept this, even with reps, feedback, they will alway do what they want. It's not even adapt things, because again you knew it before you started to play it. If not, then is time to undesratnd, move on. It's hard but just think, it's a fact.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

umm bye??

Girl_Number8

To bad Zos's doesn't bother with performance. Maybe the people with the tin hats are right, xD

firedrgn

The passives are not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. I like them or am indifferent.

Although 8% spell crit is nice.

Skwor

The racial changes are a good thing.

NyassaV

You're reasons for not wanting to play things games are hilariously insignificant

Elusiin

I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits

susmitds

Sustain is the only thing stamina altmers have going for them unlike stamina dunmers. Cut them some slack.

Ogou

Iluvrien wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

What made you think they wouldn't?

Well obviously we were supposed to trust all the people who said that players should stop worrying because the changes "aren't even on PTS yet!"...

... Yep, look at those big changes between the announcement and the implementation on PTS. Ooooh, I feel better already. /s

People were saying to wait until they're tested on the PTS. If you expected ZOS to change them before that then this is on you.

PS4_ZeColmeia

They are going the route of removing the abundance of percentage increases to flat values which in the end helps to balance classes. The only thing I'd like to see is sustain and cost balanced with the changes of smaller resource pools. With these changes there are not really any meta races for each class. There are meta for play style, Khajiit for crit builds as an example.

I think this is good.

zaria

The DW changes might be more important than the racials.
Its obviously the racials changes we are talking about here in Khajiit magic builds and Dunmer stamina.
All other changes are trivial.
Note that DW includes S&B so this is relevant for magic builds 2h/ bow/ bow to.

mxxo

Vhozek wrote: »

At least that's what it looks like since they're live on the PTS.
I don't think I want to keep playing this game. I haven't launched it in like 4 days.
I really don't want High Elves to somehow regenerate Stamina and Dark Elves to lose Flame Damage. Dark Elves are literally High Elves but with Stamina points, so why the hell are High Elves getting this?

I feel you. Logging in makes me just sad.

On the other hand... taking a look at all the changes that happen atm (Passives, Champion Points, Glyphs) looks to me like its all part of smth bigger. Like a preparation for future enhancements. Still.. my poor Dunmer

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Racial Passives really aren't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things

Acrolas

I was personally tempted to get a head start tweaking a character, but as absolutely nothing is confirmed as an inviolable change patience is the best current course of action.

Wait until the Update 21 Live Patch Notes before spending race change tokens or flipping tables.

richo262

Vhozek wrote: »

At least that's what it looks like since they're live on the PTS.
I don't think I want to keep playing this game. I haven't launched it in like 4 days.
I really don't want High Elves to somehow regenerate Stamina and Dark Elves to lose Flame Damage. Dark Elves are literally High Elves but with Stamina points, so why the hell are High Elves getting this?

High Elf doesn't get any Stam sustain ... unless your Stam is higher than your Mag, which, it won't be, unless you are a muppet. The High Elf, when Mag focused (which is anybody that has an Altmer and has read the passives) has a pretty decent Mag regen.

But yes, Dunmer, RIP. No additional mag pool, no sustain, no fire, nothing unique.

richo262

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Racial Passives really aren't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things

It is essentially like wearing a complete set. Somewhere between a full 5 piece set and a monster set.

leshpar

I, for one, am looking forward to the racial changes.

Bouldercleave

I think they make changes like this to weed out the weak players. Slap adversity in the face of someone and you can tell quick if they are gonna sink or swim.







(joking BTW - or AM I?)

Iluvrien

Ogou wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

What made you think they wouldn't?

Well obviously we were supposed to trust all the people who said that players should stop worrying because the changes "aren't even on PTS yet!"...

... Yep, look at those big changes between the announcement and the implementation on PTS. Ooooh, I feel better already. /s

People were saying to wait until they're tested on the PTS. If you expected ZOS to change them before that then this is on you.

I wasn't expecting a change before they hit PTS. I don't expect a change after hitting PTS. I don't expect any changes after their initial announcement of what the racial changes will be.

On which basis I concluded that the "wait until it is on PTS" argument was fallacious. I still consider this to be the case.

Reverb

The last few cycles they’ve shown a willingness to make adjustments after changes go to pts, based on feedback. That was never true before. For the first time we can’t assume that it will go live just because it’s been released for testing. Spend time testing, give thoughtful and well-reasoned feedback, both good and bad. We’ll see what happens.

For the first time I’m years, I’m willing to trust in the process.

Tabbycat

I'm worried the racial changes will make the game feel less like TES and more like generic MMO. : (

Tasear

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

To bad Zos's doesn't bother with performance. Maybe the people with the tin hats are right, xD

Did you see pts notes? Lots of performance fixes.

Cloudless

Bye. Keep your stuff.

dovakiin5574

This game has survived worse. Everything will be just fine and just as much fun as before.

OtarTheMad

These patch notes look good overall. And really what is the difference between 7% flame damage and 258 spell damage. Is it that much of a drop?