I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
lol you make it sound like the reps are robbing your 401k or something.
It's a game, chill out lol.
Just to be clear: We're talking about a hypothetical that you made up in the first place. Lmao.I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
lol you make it sound like the reps are robbing your 401k or something.
It's a game, chill out lol.
Something being a game doesn't mean it doesn't matter and unethical behavior should be allowed.
I guess you would be a cheat engine apologist as well.
Games should be fair to players, that's the point of a game having rules to begin with. We also spend money on this game. And play to have fun, games not being fair usually hamper the fun.
Stop trying to straw man it. It's unethical and should not be tolerated. End of discussion, no matter how little you want to make it sound.
Just to be clear: We're talking about a hypothetical that you made up in the first place. Lmao.I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
lol you make it sound like the reps are robbing your 401k or something.
It's a game, chill out lol.
Something being a game doesn't mean it doesn't matter and unethical behavior should be allowed.
I guess you would be a cheat engine apologist as well.
Games should be fair to players, that's the point of a game having rules to begin with. We also spend money on this game. And play to have fun, games not being fair usually hamper the fun.
Stop trying to straw man it. It's unethical and should not be tolerated. End of discussion, no matter how little you want to make it sound.
Just to be clear: We're talking about a hypothetical that you made up in the first place. Lmao.I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
lol you make it sound like the reps are robbing your 401k or something.
It's a game, chill out lol.
Something being a game doesn't mean it doesn't matter and unethical behavior should be allowed.
I guess you would be a cheat engine apologist as well.
Games should be fair to players, that's the point of a game having rules to begin with. We also spend money on this game. And play to have fun, games not being fair usually hamper the fun.
Stop trying to straw man it. It's unethical and should not be tolerated. End of discussion, no matter how little you want to make it sound.
I'm glad someone else saw the logic in my response lol.
That thread was based on pure speculation/hearsay and you and a bunch of other tinfoil hatters are already talking as if these things actually happened. There are gazillion other more interesting conspiracy theories you can indulge in if you enjoy being detached from reality, but stop accusing class reps of stuff like this without concrete evidence please.Waffennacht wrote: »Just to be clear: We're talking about a hypothetical that you made up in the first place. Lmao.I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
lol you make it sound like the reps are robbing your 401k or something.
It's a game, chill out lol.
Something being a game doesn't mean it doesn't matter and unethical behavior should be allowed.
I guess you would be a cheat engine apologist as well.
Games should be fair to players, that's the point of a game having rules to begin with. We also spend money on this game. And play to have fun, games not being fair usually hamper the fun.
Stop trying to straw man it. It's unethical and should not be tolerated. End of discussion, no matter how little you want to make it sound.
I'm glad someone else saw the logic in my response lol.
Well people in the know did post prior to this info that reps were buying unnamed sets knowing what was down the pike.
This in of it self is morally dubious; however the implications are numerous.
1. Reps are fully aware of the set's power; if it was balanced why buy this particular set?
2. Why did the set get this far without being tweaked?
3. What other actions do people take based upon insider knowledge?
Not saying any of this took place (well I know the basic premise did), however, the concern is that these actions rise doubts in player's minds.
Waffennacht wrote: »Just to be clear: We're talking about a hypothetical that you made up in the first place. Lmao.I wonder how many class reps knew to stock up on these buffed pvp sets that were literally just offered in the cyro vendor as gold jewelry before the entire game knew about the changes coming. Seems a bit dishonest to me to allow a practice like that to go on if it did.
And yeah, the set is a bit strong. Already have heard that its the go-to for rapid spammers in zergs to start using this set instead now.
considering they are not compensated for their time with real money I think this is a fair trade.
Now stop with the noise!
No, that is not a fair trade. It's a volunteer role, you don't volunteer and then look for ways to take advantage of inside information. That would be unethical. And thanks to seeing people like you try to cover for them by saying things like stop with the noise, that now encourages me.
There should be zero tolerance on this topic. ZoS honestly should pull up stats and see if any given reps or employees stocked up on certain sets to profit and remove them from the role.
lol you make it sound like the reps are robbing your 401k or something.
It's a game, chill out lol.
Something being a game doesn't mean it doesn't matter and unethical behavior should be allowed.
I guess you would be a cheat engine apologist as well.
Games should be fair to players, that's the point of a game having rules to begin with. We also spend money on this game. And play to have fun, games not being fair usually hamper the fun.
Stop trying to straw man it. It's unethical and should not be tolerated. End of discussion, no matter how little you want to make it sound.
I'm glad someone else saw the logic in my response lol.
Well people in the know did post prior to this info that reps were buying unnamed sets knowing what was down the pike.
This in of it self is morally dubious; however the implications are numerous.
1. Reps are fully aware of the set's power; if it was balanced why buy this particular set?
2. Why did the set get this far without being tweaked?
3. What other actions do people take based upon insider knowledge?
Not saying any of this took place (well I know the basic premise did), however, the concern is that these actions rise doubts in player's minds.
I know this set is about bleed builds. But this will hurt every mag sorc and every DK (stam or mag don't matter) because everyone and their mother will run this set.
If the set would just apply for snares and roots it would be a great healing/support set for organized pvp Guild Groups.
as it is atm it is just to OP in solo/smallscale Gameplay.
In my opinion the set should be the way to get around the nerf on rapids for organized pvp Groups (8-12man) if the really want to Change it. I still dont get why you want to introduce a set, just to nerf one skill. That doesnt solve the whole Problem. It just gonna make new Problems and wont help anyone.
procing a set isnt more skilled than using rapids. You gonna have to rework the whole System in the Long term in my opinion.
Btw. when did there start to be complains About Speed??? i think that was summerset, Maybe i am wrong, but you should take a look what you changed till now-or nerfed till now.
If that's a reference to Efficient Purge, then: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, oh dear, hahahahahaha <wipes tears from eyes> hahahahahaha.
If that's a reference to Efficient Purge, then: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, oh dear, hahahahahaha <wipes tears from eyes> hahahahahaha.
Blackleopardex wrote: »So, as a solo-player/small-scaler I have to say that something like the curse-eater change was needed. Now it's already been established that the set is over-preforming but not to the extent some of you make it seem. Like for example this ridicules stun spam videos, they are pure propaganda if you ask me, I mean common. That said, as stated by zos something will be done and something should be done. However I wanna suggest something similar that has been mentioned that seems to be the the balanced nerf without making it useless in the constant snare/bleed meta we have these days:
Current:
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
4 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
5 – When you heal yourself or an ally, remove two negative effects from them. If a negative effect was removed this way, your target restores 150 Magicka. This effect can occur every 2 seconds.
My suggestion:
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
4 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
5 – When you heal yourself or an ally with a direct heal or the first tic of a healing over time ability you remove two negative effects from them. If two negative effects was removed this way you restore 200 Magicka. This effects can occur every 2 seconds.
This way the stun removal from yourself will be impossible, so will the constant purging without actually doing anything about it.
I also added "two" negative effects to the magicka recovery proc with a greater reward(+50 mag), it's not a huge change but that can be the case after getting marked or something similar that comes in one debuff at a time. Yes it's not often, but if it happens, in that case you just would not get magica back. I think all over since you now have to actually use a skill to proc the set, it's a fair change to increase the magicka restored.
All honestly, I hope this set does not see a too hard nerf because this counter is something we need.
Reminder that this set currently is overtuned since it is too easy to proc for any player, and it is too easy to stack the effects.
It feels like it should be a healer set, where a healer can wear it and benefit his allies (but not every DPS player running it). In its current state, one healer wearing it in a group is not even a powerful effect in a group vs. group effect (2 cleanses removed every 2 seconds in a 6v6 or 12v12 or 12v24 is nothing).
Recommending it have an increased cooldown is not a good solution. Ideas like giving it a longer cooldown per player affected or making it require active healing done (instead of HoTs, although I still think 2 cleanses per 2 seconds when 1 healer is wearing it is not worth runnigg!) make this set a viable option for healers without making it broken.
The devs cant help themselves. Take a step forward with rapids nerf, two steps back with curse-eater buff. We heard that the pve and pvp combat teams are now one entity so stuff like this shouldn't be happening now.
No set should just offer you free purges without doing anything. Similar to how proc sets shouldnt play for you but I guess there's no putting that back in the bag.
This mechanic needs to be scrapped for something completely different on curse-eater. I dont feel you can appropriately balance a free passive purge.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »The devs cant help themselves. Take a step forward with rapids nerf, two steps back with curse-eater buff. We heard that the pve and pvp combat teams are now one entity so stuff like this shouldn't be happening now.
No set should just offer you free purges without doing anything. Similar to how proc sets shouldnt play for you but I guess there's no putting that back in the bag.
This mechanic needs to be scrapped for something completely different on curse-eater. I dont feel you can appropriately balance a free passive purge.
I really hate it when people refer to this stuff as free. It is not free. It costs you one of your 5 piece bonuses that could be used for something else. This applies to proc sets as well. Now they might be strong or even OP, but they are NOT free. This set also requires you to use a HoT that you might not otherwise run, so it also potentially costs a bar slot.
I am not commenting on the merits of this set. Admittedly, when reading the patch notes, this was the one that kinda jumped off the page at me. I agree that it has the potential to be situationally very strong, and after a few weeks of testing, very well might need toned down. But calling it free is simply false.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »The devs cant help themselves. Take a step forward with rapids nerf, two steps back with curse-eater buff. We heard that the pve and pvp combat teams are now one entity so stuff like this shouldn't be happening now.
No set should just offer you free purges without doing anything. Similar to how proc sets shouldnt play for you but I guess there's no putting that back in the bag.
This mechanic needs to be scrapped for something completely different on curse-eater. I dont feel you can appropriately balance a free passive purge.
I really hate it when people refer to this stuff as free. It is not free. It costs you one of your 5 piece bonuses that could be used for something else. This applies to proc sets as well. Now they might be strong or even OP, but they are NOT free. This set also requires you to use a HoT that you might not otherwise run, so it also potentially costs a bar slot.
I am not commenting on the merits of this set. Admittedly, when reading the patch notes, this was the one that kinda jumped off the page at me. I agree that it has the potential to be situationally very strong, and after a few weeks of testing, very well might need toned down. But calling it free is simply false.
The question is how big that opportunity cost really is in some cases. The 2 to 4 bonuses are good, and so the downside isn’t actually that great.
Blackleopardex wrote: »So, as a solo-player/small-scaler I have to say that something like the curse-eater change was needed. Now it's already been established that the set is over-preforming but not to the extent some of you make it seem. Like for example this ridicules stun spam videos, they are pure propaganda if you ask me, I mean common. That said, as stated by zos something will be done and something should be done. However I wanna suggest something similar that has been mentioned that seems to be the the balanced nerf without making it useless in the constant snare/bleed meta we have these days:
Current:
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
4 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
5 – When you heal yourself or an ally, remove two negative effects from them. If a negative effect was removed this way, your target restores 150 Magicka. This effect can occur every 2 seconds.
My suggestion:
2 – Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
4 – Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
5 – When you heal yourself or an ally with a direct heal or the first tic of a healing over time ability you remove two negative effects from them. If two negative effects was removed this way you restore 200 Magicka. This effects can occur every 2 seconds.
This way the stun removal from yourself will be impossible, so will the constant purging without actually doing anything about it.
I also added "two" negative effects to the magicka recovery proc with a greater reward(+50 mag), it's not a huge change but that can be the case after getting marked or something similar that comes in one debuff at a time. Yes it's not often, but if it happens, in that case you just would not get magica back. I think all over since you now have to actually use a skill to proc the set, it's a fair change to increase the magicka restored.
All honestly, I hope this set does not see a too hard nerf because this counter is something we need.
But if its like that I won't be able to permablock on my mag warden on live...You just want to nerf everything fun don't you!?
just make it so it doesnt proc on yourself, just allies. so it would become a healer set