frankwchenzo wrote: »

2. I'm sry but delaying half of the dark deal & dark Exchange's resource return, and they still have a cast time is ZOS's so call sustain IMPROVEMENT for sorc?
Pls, be fair. Remove the cast time and this change is quite good. Really makes slot dark exchange worth it in PVE.

Tasear wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Looks like ZOS went against class reps advises.

Whats the point having class reps then?

In that case, they did not. The OL changes have been on the "suggestion" list. Of course, it was horribly naive to put them there.

Yes to be fair it was mentioned in multiple instances that overload isn't being used by Sorc dps. On that same token the healer things were mentioned for along with some players having trouble switching.

No where was it suggestioned to remove the third bar. Now yes ultimate issue was reported and fixed in wolf Hunter.

Also for the record we share concerns and combat changes are done by combat team. Right now class reps are now also tasked with listening to results of their feedback. Why doesn't it work. Why does it work. What are you happy about? What are you concerned about?

• Make it deplete 5/10 ultimates every 1/2 seconds, it should reward skilful rotation. If your weaving is perfect you would make better use of this ultimate, get better damage and restore more magicka.
  Let's imagine you have 170 ultimate, the choice between an atronach and overload should be interesting ... Overload should deal more damage than the atronach IF your weaving is perfect ( + help with sustain ) WHILE atronach would be useful IF you can't weave properly or want to play a pet build or/and don't have any sustain issue and so want to grant major berserk to 1 ally.
• overload proc enchantment of the bar you are currently on ( this is a nice thing ) ... make it so your right hand hold the staff and do a LA while the other hand could do an OL LA if the ultimate is active ( both would hit at the same time )
• What about the morphs ? One give 1K magicka each time you do an OL LA, the other morph increase the LA range and the HA radius, nobody care about OL HA, and the increased range on OL LA is not needed since the base range is the same as a standard LA = it mean you don't need to get closer to the boss when you active the ultimate ... They should better merge both morphs into one and keep the 3rd bar on a morph ( the 3rd bar is really useful and unique on both stam and magsorc for PVP ).
• About the OL HA, Nobody is gonna use that ... I would prefer to charge the ultimate on trash and keep it for boss, I don't think i'm the only one. They should better make it a beam we could use on atronach or pets increasing their damage during X sec or a Dot ... Anything.

• Scamp and daedric prey both cost 500 less magicka, i's interesting ! Thank for this change.
• The tormentor change is laughable, the few players who play a pets build in pve and pvp prefer the Matriarch morph , 15% reduced cost on tormentor special attack isn't gonna make it interesting when the special attack we are talking about is beyond uselessness.

• if your goal is to make it interesting in both PVE and PVP, here is an idea (not the best):
  " Dark Conversion: Cost 2000 stamina ~ Cast-T : Instant ~ Duration: 20,4 sec ~ Self : Bargain with darkness, restore 8K health and 4696 Magicka after 1,2 sec. [ Then restore 1100 health and 230 magicka each 1,2 sec during 19,2 sec. After 1,2 the skill deplete 350 stamina each second, until you run out of stamina or the ability is toggled off]. You can be interrupted within 1,2 sec after you used the ability, in this case it won't restore the cost of the skill.
  
  Or Same thing But restore 2500 magicka after 1,2 sec instead of 4696 and you won't lose 2000 stamina if someone interrupt you
  I really like this idea, make it a toogle like mend wound ( requiered on one bar only), toggle the skill on ... wait 1,2 sec then toggle it off, and repeat if you only care about the first part of the skill, or keep it on and it will start draining your stamina while restoring your health and magicka each 1,2 sec after 1,2 sec.
  
  
• Dark Conversion: Cost 2250 stamina ~ Cast-T : Instant ~ Self : Bargain with darkness, restore 8K health and 4696 Magicka after 1,2 sec. and 2500 magicka over 20 second. you can be interrupted within 1,2 sec after you used the ability, in this case it won't restore the cost of the skill.
  
  Or Same thing But restore 2500 magicka after 1,2 sec instead of 4696, cost 2000 stamina, and you won't lose 2000 stamina if someone interrupt you
  ( This would make the ability useful in PVE cause the cast time is the main problem ) and keep it useful in PVP.

Class Reps Meeting Notes - August 16 wrote: »

Initial and early feedback for Sorcerers is that their class is walking in place with the buff-nerf cycle to Rune Prison.

• Most of the time you won't stun anyone with that ... If you stun someone they will break free easily within 3 sec ... And if they break free it won't deal any damage ... make it deal deal damage when the stun ends ( even if the target break free) would be a good step, even though I don't think it would worth slotting ... Clench is better and can be used instead force pulse ... and with all the nerf coming ( shields, 3rd bar gone ) we will need a lot of bar slot !

Class Reps Meeting Notes - August 16 wrote: »

Bound Armor needs to be more worthwhile

• Bound Aegis: Cost 3443 magicka ( reduce the cost ? ): Protect yourself and your pets ( cooool ) with the power of Oblivion, Creating a suit of Daedric mail for you and your pets that increases your block mitigation by 36% for 3 seconds, also anchor your Daedric Familiar in Tamriel during 42 sec. While slotted, your Max [...]
  
  Isn't that cool ? " Anchor " mean you would not need them on Both bar ... If you don't refresh the buff you will need to reactive the pet, it's the risk and it reward skilful rotation. Of course they would need to slightly change the pet ( see below).
  If you have the scamp or the twillight on 1 bar and barswitch ... they would just stand where they are " screaming" during 1 sec then dissapear unless you active bound aegis or barswitch )

Tasear wrote: »

As a class rep, I can only convey concerns, so I start thread for something that concerns me deeply and I feel other players should discuss on.

The overload changes destory a build I have shared with community for years and put in countless hours to test ideas and share variations. By taking away the third bar you leave Sorc Healers without options or balance.

Negate
This isn't a good support ultimate as the effects hardly work in content. Why because you have to time it pricelessly right for it have any impact. I have tested it and the stun doesn't work even on at some non elite trash mobs.

Pets take two bar and now Sorcs only have 2 bars. This makes them provide - minus utility compared to other 4 classes of healers. Let's not forget pet still can die and likely needs a shield.

On that note the shield changes ...one sec cast time with will cause additional struggles with maintain the pet pet in gameplay situation where you won't hay a second to respond to changes.

Other things 10% Magicka regain doesn't add up correctly ..in fact hircine used to provide stamit regain but gave cost reduction instead because math didn't add up to useful support to teamates ... especially damage dealers where the gain is not noticable.

Storm annotach can't be used by healers as it only supports 1 Ally and healers have to think about the team.

A side note overload now does less damage so healers will lack in this too.

Disclaimer: As a class rep, I only convey pain points and how it affects player's. Also things things are issues I advocated before in a 7 page document for all Healers. Aa your class rep I do my best to not be biased on class, role or spec and as such as time allows I will review others conceey spoken and speak out for other players and their concerns.

P.S we have a class meeting with devs next week so please yell, scream, cry, and calmly share all concerns that both you with one of your 12 class reps.