They are very ugly.

They need more active skills to which the passives are tied.

First, I'd like to start off with I am perfectly fine with the way they look - they're undead monsters. Its borderline sad to see so many people saying "dey be oogly" as basically the only improvement they';re

1: The biggest problem for me is being a Vampire is 99% just having the passives - there is virtually no point other wise and takes against the whole idea of it. Skills need to be reworked and made better and actually have a purpose. I am obviously being a bit nebulous, but I am sure you don';t need exacts to get the picture: Make skills useful so it actually means something to be a vampire.

2: Perhaps its the werewolf in me but I do like the idea Vampire Lord - being able to transform. Give it a blood gauge like WW's have a transformation timer. Instead of just losing your transformation, as the blood gauge gets lower, your strength and a percentage of your abilities potency lowers along with it. However, don't make it a server drain like the WW timer - a slower more paced burn to the blood gauge so you're not manically running around looking for blood like a WW dose looking for food.

Off the top of my head, you could have a ability were you change into a swarm of bats and charge into a person/PvE critter akin to Critical Rush and drain them.it of blood while getting a 50% boost in defense while you're attached. Perhaps it could morph into something like you either get more blood or they're dizzy/stun after you detach for 3 seconds.

Again, that is off the top of my head but the over all point I hope I am relaying is make them FAR more then just needing some handy passives.

1.Not being able to sprint or cast while in mist form, what's major expedition without ability to sprint?

2.Very limited skill line, no Stamina morphs.

I think they should have a minor bonus to bleed damage. Ya know, vampires, blood, etc.

I have khajiit vampire and i actually like how stage 1 looks, but then i can't make use of the passives and i don't like to use skin, because then my char looks entirely different.
Maybe make it so vampires can look like in stage 1 even when they progress to further stages ?

TrapLord wrote: »

I Feel that the 25% extra flame damage that the Vampires take is a bit excessive, and irrational.

25% is so much damage, plus the low health recovery.

I feel that Vampirism should be looked at, and the 25% flame damage should be 10-15% at most.

25% is just not fair. Seeing as how flame staffs already deal direct damage, and light and heavy attacks scale so much better of Max Magicka, vampires take way to much damage during this Summerset patch.

if you get that, werewolve should only get 10-15% extra poison damage...

AlphaWolfBeast wrote: »

1. Add Vampire lord form a horrifying bat beast form as a vampire ultimate.
2. Add a regular human skin in the crown store that will hide vampirism.

This. I’d love for vampire lords again! And make a polymorph! Werewolves are getting good stuff, so why can’t vampires? Give them love too ZIOS!

XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »

1. Needs more active skills.
2. Active and some passive skills need a change.

The payoff for 75% health recovery reduction and 25% more flame damage is not good. You get dark stalker and.. 10% stam and magicka recovery.. ok..? I'm literally only a vampire becuase of dark stalker. I dont think the current pay off is worth it. The skills are rather useless, with the exception of mist form for tanks.

But that Undeath passive! So good when you in mist form - especially when you are chasing down a zerg with Eye of Flame/Storm.

LukosCreyden wrote: »

My thoughts on vampirism:

1) The appearance change is a tad too much. Stage 1 looks fine, but it gets a bit too crazy on stage 4. Tattoos and markings do not work correctly on a vampire.

2) Vampirism should be more role-defining. For example, when one plays a werewolf, they have specifically built their character around being a werewolf. For vampires, the choice is usually made to become one for the passives or for mist.

"This is my magDK build. I am a vampire for extra magicka regen and mist." - This is not how it should be.

"This is my Vampire build. I am a magDK because..." - This is how it SHOULD be.

3) Vampire Lord transformation - this is something that I feel should be visited into. It'd give magicka players their own "version" of werewolf, whilst also allowing people to build specifically for it, just like werewolf players do. As it stands, the current skill selection for vampires are far too limited and quite mediocre.

Overall, vampire feels like a necessity rather than a choice, like when werewolf offered a stamina regen buff, even without it being slotted. Vampirism should be something picked up by choice and built around.

I like this, well said. A vampire lord should be a build unto itself. Also, a unique fear option (different to the NB & WW skill) available to all classes would be great.

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

lets take a look at WW in pvp. Because people are forced too/can build around WW, its horrifying to fight. even when a total noob turns into a WW its one of those moments of "run!!!" or "drop everything, he needs to die, NOW, or we are all dead."

I wouldnt go that far, but the way you put it was awesome...

Well said!




Edit:

I don't think the Vampire Lord gear is a joke btw...

Vampire simply needs more/better abilities to make use of the set...

Vampire Lords 5th piece bonus is actually really good (400 Spell Damage to Vampiric Abilities and 5% reduction to the Cost of Vampiric abilities), the only thing is that there are only 3 Vampiric abilities at present and only 2 of them actually do damage (I don't count Baleful Mist as the ability isn't very good)...

And out of the 2 Vampiric Abilities that do damage, only one of them is actually decent for dealing damage in PvP at current (Devouring Swarm) as they have gutted Vamp Drain to the point that its a shell of its former self...

If the Devs update the Vampiric ability set with worthwild abilities, then the Vampire Lord set would be more valuable than it currently is...

1. Make it a full skill line: The entire skill line just feels like something you only take for the passives and completely forget about it, rather than a skill line that completely affects how your character is played.
2. Change how the vampirism mechanic works: As a vampire, I have never really felt like a Lamae Bal vampire. Instead I feel like I'm just one of those blood fiends that roam about in certain spots in the world, except I'm the Player Character.

Ive played my Vampire since launch to present and have gone through all the nerfs/changes/ups and downs etc. in my opinion i've always felt that vampirism was more of a "passive" experience in eso, rather than dealing with an actual curse. you know, the hunger for living blood? here are my two points that have bugged my experience for the past years.


1.) Stage System and Feeding.

ive never liked the stage system in any of the builds, it has always bothered me. personally, i want to experience the full effect of a vampire, dealing with the vulnerabilities as well as the supernatural powers. players should not be able to a la carte the Vampire curse to fit their characters. rather they should be presented with the skill line (vulnerabilities and powers in total) and decided if it is a challenge they want to undertake. I always play in stage 4 to represent this, regardless of what dungeon or pvp area i am playing in. this means that using the feeding ability is useless to me... yes that is right you heard me correct! Drinking Blood is useless to a Vampire that wants to remain powerful, it doesn't make ANY sense!

I really enjoyed the changes to werewolf, and the fact that werewolves have to feed on corpses or attack to remain in the form. it really adds to the Immersion of playing such a supernatural character/role! i feel Vampire needs a mechanic that is similar in nature, focused around drinking blood to remain powerful and well fed. im not saying the idea should be mirrored, but something the devs should consider. it would add to the experience of playing as a Vampire. it is frustrating to me that i cant feed because it will reduce my stage levels and lessen the supernatural experience i want when playing as a Vampire.


2.) Vampire abilities.

Vampires should be a fully fleshed out supernatural skill line like werewolves, in the sense that we have skills for every situation. an escape, direct damage, heal, gap closer etc etc. i think drain essence and bat swarm are balanced well, but mist form still feels slow and buggy for an escape. it bothers me that a high percentage of players that take the skill line, only do so for the passives and never use the skills. there should be an incentive to play as a vampire with an appropriate challenge behind it.

it is frustrating to see all the attention Werewolves have gotten, the awesome changes to their skill line, the DLC, and yet vampirism has been ignored. I really hope the devs take the ideas in this thread to heart and look over the skill line to make it challenging and fun to play as a Vampire.

I agree that tattoos should be more prevalent but please don't change stage 4 looks! Perhaps make it a toggle for those that want something different like hide helmet. I absolutely love the look of my stage 4 vamp!

Only pain point on my vamp is lack of Stam morphs. Perhaps some poison damage on accelerating drain?

Well heres what I think. I think the complete white snow colored paleness of the skin maybe some referance to skyrims vampires. Where they were told they were as pale as the snow they were pale but not that kind of pale. But in Eso they definitely look as pale white as the snow. I think they need to reduce the paleness by stages give them fangs visible ones. Give certain vampire npcs fangs as well to make them look like vampires. At later stages maybe at stage three then they start to get really pale almost as pale as the snow and stage four as pale as the snow. With red glowing eyes. Not like full glowing eyes but well irises that are well red. Make them look like real vampires and not twilight ones.

1) Appearance
2) Undeath is useless because this skillline suppose to be used on magicka squash characters which are usually oneshot. I see two fix posibilities: Minor protection all the time or rework the calculation to preapply 33% reduction when damage gonna reduce your health under 50% health.