brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't like the removal of Minor Vitality but it's nice to see Funnel Health being worked on.

Agreed. I understand the nerf to funnel but removing minor vitality wasn't necessary.

colossalvoids wrote: »

Assassin’s Blade: Increased the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 30%.

Now for stamina nightblades it will be Redguard or go home even more?

Fully-Charged Heavy Attacks now grant 2 stacks towards the spectral bow proc for this ability and its morphs.

It looks more like a bug fix, actually.

The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

And more of Redguard or go home for stamina users. And bye-bye self sustainable rotation for mag ones.

Siphoning Strikes: Fully charged Heavy Attacks now restore twice the amount of Health and resources for this ability and its morphs.

More of bug fixes looks like.

Strife:
Reduced the damage done by this ability by half, but it now also heals for 50% of the damage done and can now target you or any ally. The total healing amount remains unchanged.

Swallow Soul (morph): This morph now doubles the damage, but decreases the heal to 35% of the damage done and can only target you. The passive Minor Vitality effect has been removed.

Funnel Health: This morph will now always heal you in addition to an ally.

Quite a change for healers actually. But a nerf for dd's.

All this will affect all my pvp and pve bulds cooped with other changes in Murkmire so i'm not looking forward to it at all.
Evasion death (and now mostly useless blur, only for tanking now), more sustain dd issues for "non-meta" race users and new shield mechanics will probably kill any interest in some ingame activities.

Well, swallow soul will effectively do the same damage as live since you are gaining back the 50 percent reduction from strife. And now swallow soul can heal for 35 percent of damage done which is up from 25 percent. Magblade dds using this as a spammable are not harmed by the change. Funnel health always healed yourself and one ally, and the shift in healing vs dmg done is claimed to result in no change to effective hps, so im not quite following ZOS here, or is there something im missing?

This change hurts 5h argonian healblades in pvp mainly because minor vit at all times on top of HA, argonian and nb passives made them very tanky healers. I dont see these changes hurting DDs and pve healers at all. I just want to see the math on 35 percent of swallow soul dmg as heal, vs minor vitality. Strife heals in pvp are very volatile becuase of the constant refresh of the hot on targets that always have varying degress of mitigation ie. a single blocked strife can instantly overwrite a strong strife hot with a real *** one. I just dont see the point of the changes.

Add snare removal to refreshing path

Aliyavana wrote: »

So now that shields have a cast time I would say a cast time on cloak would be fair.

I know you are trying to be witty, but that is an embarrassingly bad comparison to try and make.

Aliyavana wrote: »

So now that shields have a cast time I would say a cast time on cloak would be fair.

now with shield changes, proper thing to do would be take cost increase off of streak

Another PTS cycle, another clean sweep for NB's. At some point you all will have to consider advocating for less buffs for NBs or less nerfs to other classes, or you won't have any other classes left to fight. And with Mark so thoroughly nerfed you'll all just run around in stealth and all combat in Cyrodiil will end outside of quick ganks.

From what I can tell, the cost increases to Killer's Blade and Relentless Focus will do one thing: render not-Redguard stamina Nightblades completely irrelevant in end-game pve. They're already disadvantaged.
Please, add sustain somewhere so people can stop being Redguards, and not be tethered to yawn-inducing heavy attack spam. This applies to all classes, but at least in Wolfhunter I could play my Khajiit stamblade and mostly sustain. Heavy attacks are slow, sticky, and feel like a punishment.

Great change with mark target but there is one final touch missing, casting mark target should pull you out of stealth. This will end the nonsense situations when you have a nb in cloak spamming mark target and you can't do anything about it. Adding an very small damage to mark target just for the sake of pulling the caster out of cloak should do the trick.

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

A bit overkill, don't you think? 10 or 15 seconds would have been good enough. 30 seconds was too long, sure, but 5 seconds is way too short. Where is the middle-ground?

No, 5 seconds is more to enought for you to land an entire ofensive combo with stun, even gap closer included. More than 5 seconds is just to troll and ruins the other dude's life. Is like being able to bypass magsorcs shields by 15 seconds with every attack

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Going to test the new power extraction, i could be an alternative to spin2win on 2h builds.

My thoughts
Assassin's Blade: Meh change. It was an unnecessary nerf but its whatever.

Blur: RIP Tava Tanks. Being more tanky vs AoE is nice though so while I'll miss the occasional free dodge being both a mitigation and sustain tool, I'm not terribly disappointed by the change.

Piercing Mark: "This will be a buff if you use Reaper's Mark". Personally, I might actually change to Reaper's Mark now that Piercing isn't outright required in PvP due to its reduced detect time. I still wish they'd rework Mark entirely though, it's such a meh skill.

Grim Focus: Feels like ZOS is nerfing NB's DPS to be more in line with other classes by increasing resource drain. The heavy attack change just further emphasize this. RIP non-Redguard Stamblades and Magblade.

Path of Darkness: Stupid Change. Refreshing Path was utility enough without gutting the base skill to be literally useless. This actually hurts NB Tanks/Healers since it nerfs their already little damage even further.

Strife: Another nerf to NB Healers that wasn't necessary. While their HPS won't be horribly affected, they did nerf the damage a great deal. I get trying to make healers more relevant in content but making them purely Healers with little DPS contribution isn't really what we wanted, even if Magblades were sort of problematic in making healers relevant.

Siphoning Strikes: Great change, love everything about it.

Power Extraction: Alright change.

It's not what I'd have done (apart from Siphoning Strikes) and while I feel some changes were unnecessary or outright stupid, it's not the worst changes imaginable. I'm not happy my NB Healer is being stripped of large portions of its DPS (It's Saptank all over again) but I'm also looking forward to some of changes that may benefit my NB Tank so overall, I'm so-so on these changes.

I can't even... I could write an essay outlining the issues here

I could live with either the Strife change OR the Path of Darkness change, but both of these changes together just killed any desire for me to continue playing my Nightblade Healer. Am I the only one that feels this way?

Taking away minor vitality is not good, I slotted swallow soul just to have on my stamblade, 8% less healing hurts, a lot. Now slot Siphining skill? That makes me keep up another buff unless I drop one. I don't like this change. The evasion change is a nerf to the NB class but I'm not sure it's a particular bad one yet. Seems like magsorc's will hit harder and others like Dk will hit less hard. Will have to see on that one. plz bring back minor vitality however. cheers.

i like the piercing mark adjustment.

now we only need to readjust cloak cost, it should lower the base cost and increased every cast in 6 sec (or something) so mag nb cannot perma invis and keeping the overall cost for stam nb to cast 3 consecutive cloak.

They should bring the other classes up to a similar level first before nerfing nb. I think it would do far less damage if they did it that way.You have to remember nb is a delicate class.This is going to hurt the bottom alot more than the top too.

Another NB Tank complaining about the changes to Path of Darkness and the loss of Minor Vitality.

The heal/damage on Refreshing Path was signature for NB Tanks; we all used it.

And if you're going to nerf Swallow Soul, you gotta put Minor Vitality somewhere else. If you worried about DPS having it, add it to Shadow Barrier.