PTS Update 20 - Feedback Thread for Nightblades

ZOS_GinaBruno

This is the official feedback thread for Nightblades. Please read through all the changes in the patch notes and try them out on the PTS before providing feedback in this thread. Thank you!

ankeor

Your goal should have been making other classes reach to the point where Nightblades are. But look at what you have done. You did not fix anything by nerfing nightblades. You just ruined another class.

Feanor

Mark Target
Piercing Mark (morph): Decreased the duration of the detection effect to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. The duration of the Major Fracture and Breach effects remain unchanged.
Grim Focus:
Fully-Charged Heavy Attacks now grant 2 stacks towards the spectral bow proc for this ability and its morphs.

Like the class needed to be even easier to play. But well, seems the goal is to have NBs everywhere. If so, then it’s an awesome patch I guess.

Koolio

From last year this time my DW MNB has been hurt every patch.

Lost Minor Vitality
Lost minor protection
Buff to Staffs Light attack’s
Staffs are 2pc
Infused Enchant (Bug)
Crit cloak heals (Bug)
Dw Heavy attack range Nerf
Lotus Fan snare nerf
Cripple speed and snare nerf
Soul harvest dodgeable (Bug)
Harness cast time
Inner light empower nerf


These are all the things that have severely hurt my build and playstyle. Just figured you should know.

Good thing I made him a 50k health tank yesterday

aeowulf

Your tank just lost effective use of tava's with this patch - hope that wasn't one of your sets. Also minor vitality not sure of the reasoning for the latter?

Greennik

Grim Focus:
Fully-Charged Heavy Attacks now grant 2 stacks towards the spectral bow proc for this ability and its morphs

So does this mean, we can only generate stacks with heavy attacks?

Koolio

aeowulf wrote: »

Your tank just lost effective use of tava's with this patch - hope that wasn't one of your sets. Also minor vitality not sure of the reasoning for the latter?

It was a PvP tank and I did not. Those were from a PVP DW damage nightblade. Maybe I’m confused on the question

mb10

I thought removing the minor vitality from magicka NBs was really harsh.

The class lacks damage shields and burst heals so any sort of healing bonus was imperative.

Akimbro

Greennik wrote: »

Grim Focus:
Fully-Charged Heavy Attacks now grant 2 stacks towards the spectral bow proc for this ability and its morphs

So does this mean, we can only generate stacks with heavy attacks?

Light attacks still generate 1 stack, they are just making it so heavy attacks generate 2

SergeantPink

That piercing mark nerf is a little too strong. 5 seconds is too short.

The ability will need somthing else if it’s reduced to 5 seconds. Surprise attack already gives Major Fracture, so maybe consider giving it minor fracture instead?

HappyElephant

Patch Notes wrote: »

General

Updated the interaction between Roll Dodge and projectiles.
Fixed an issue where a projectile would always be dodged if the target was Roll Dodging at the moment the projectile was created.

Projectiles can now only be evaded if the Roll Dodge occurs within one second prior to their impact.

How does this change affect dodge rolling in vMA to avoid the skulls chucked at us by Voriak Solkyn?
We can see Voriak charge his attack? The same for Archers in vMA who one-shot with Snipe.

Kanar

Nerf shields into the ground (1s cast time...) but leave cloak untouched, well actually they buffed cloak by nerfing Mark and acid spray. Wtf are you thinking zos? Cloak needs nerfing, it is the one that should have 1s cast time.

Koronach

The change to evasion is kind of stupid, they seriously don't know the definition of Evade/Evasion?

Ashtaris

Why the 30% cost increase of Assasins Blade and it’s morph? I don’t recall anyone complaining in the forums that this skill was OP’d. It’s really the only decent execute a DW NB really has with the Killers Blade morph unless you want us to Steel Tornado the boss to death :-P. And I noticed there were no developers comments at all for this change. If you are going to do something like this at least reduce the channel/hit time for this skill as it always did seem slow.

Jhalin

I don’t have words for how absolutely terrible this patch is

CavalryPK

I am requesting all the stamblades to go to PTS and do some duels. please let us know how your dodge feels......

I am requesting all the magblades to go to PTS and also do some duels. Please let us know how your sustain and dmg is.

Thanks,

Koronach

Ashtaris wrote: »

Why the 30% cost increase of Assasins Blade and it’s morph? I don’t recall anyone complaining in the forums that this skill was OP’d. It’s really the only decent execute a DW NB really has with the Killers Blade morph unless you want us to Steel Tornado the boss to death :-P. And I noticed there were no developers comments at all for this change. If you are going to do something like this at least reduce the channel/hit time for this skill as it always did seem slow.

I agree, this is also an extremely stupid change.

HappyElephant

I wonder how teams will fare in trials like vet Cloudrest after this patch's nerfed magblades. RIP

brandonbirg_ESO

if this patch stays as is all endgame guilds are quiting so rip

brandonv516

Assassin’s Blade: Increased the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 30%.

Not sure this was necessary. Won't hurt much from a PvP perspective I don't believe.

Mark Target
Piercing Mark (morph): Decreased the duration of the detection effect to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. The duration of the Major Fracture and Breach effects remain unchanged.

I was hoping for a change to this (like it would go away if caster is greater than 14m away). I think 10 seconds would have been better.

Grim Focus:
Fully-Charged Heavy Attacks now grant 2 stacks towards the spectral bow proc for this ability and its morphs.
The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

This is a great change. The cost change is fair.

Path of Darkness: This ability no longer deals damage. It now grants Major Expedition to you and your allies on the path, and for up to 2 seconds after leaving it.
Twisting Path (morph): This morph now adds damage. The damage value is the same as what is currently on Live.
Refreshing Path: This morph now adds healing. The healing value is equal to the damage value of Twisting Path.

I don't like that it's choose either damage or heal now. It was nice having Refreshing Path to expose other NBs. The increased healing is not much to get excited about.

Siphoning Strikes: Fully charged Heavy Attacks now restore twice the amount of Health and resources for this ability and its morphs.

This will be impressive coupled with heavy armor I feel.

Strife: Reduced the damage done by this ability by half, but it now also heals for 50% of the damage done and can now target you or any ally. The total healing amount remains unchanged.
Swallow Soul (morph): This morph now doubles the damage, but decreases the heal to 35% of the damage done and can only target you. The passive Minor Vitality effect has been removed.
Funnel Health: This morph will now always heal you in addition to an ally.

Don't like the removal of Minor Vitality but it's nice to see Funnel Health being worked on.

umagon

Thanks for the tankblade buffs now mirage is valuable and I can replace defensive stance with it seeing that overload spam is non-issue. It’s like wearing bastion of the heartland or leki's focus without having to.

LadyNalcarya

ankeor wrote: »

Your goal should have been making other classes reach to the point where Nightblades are. But look at what you have done. You did not fix anything by nerfing nightblades. You just ruined another class.

Well said.

colossalvoids

Assassin’s Blade: Increased the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 30%.

Now for stamina nightblades it will be Redguard or go home even more?

Fully-Charged Heavy Attacks now grant 2 stacks towards the spectral bow proc for this ability and its morphs.

It looks more like a bug fix, actually.

The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

And more of Redguard or go home for stamina users. And bye-bye self sustainable rotation for mag ones.

Siphoning Strikes: Fully charged Heavy Attacks now restore twice the amount of Health and resources for this ability and its morphs.

More of bug fixes looks like.

Strife:
Reduced the damage done by this ability by half, but it now also heals for 50% of the damage done and can now target you or any ally. The total healing amount remains unchanged.

Swallow Soul (morph): This morph now doubles the damage, but decreases the heal to 35% of the damage done and can only target you. The passive Minor Vitality effect has been removed.

Funnel Health: This morph will now always heal you in addition to an ally.

Quite a change for healers actually. But a nerf for dd's.

All this will affect all my pvp and pve bulds cooped with other changes in Murkmire so i'm not looking forward to it at all.
Evasion death (and now mostly useless blur, only for tanking now), more sustain dd issues for "non-meta" race users and new shield mechanics will probably kill any interest in some ingame activities.

Darkmage1337

Update 20 / Murkmire PTS Patch changes: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435633/pts-patch-notes-v4-2-0

Nightblade
Assassination
-Mark Target
Piercing Mark (morph): "Decreased the duration of the detection effect to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. The duration of the Major Fracture and Breach effects remain unchanged."

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A bit overkill, don't you think? 10 or 15 seconds would have been good enough. 30 seconds was too long, sure, but 5 seconds is way too short. Where is the middle-ground?

Koolio

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Nightblade
Assassination
-Mark Target
Piercing Mark (morph): Decreased the duration of the detection effect to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. The duration of the Major Fracture and Breach effects remain unchanged.

A bit overkill, don't you think? 10 or 15 seconds would have been good enough.

I would be ok with that if it brought the other nightblade out of stealth when casting

NyassaV

You just royally screwed magic nightblade in PvP when it was already lacking

NyassaV

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Update 20 / Murkmire PTS Patch changes: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435633/pts-patch-notes-v4-2-0

Nightblade
Assassination
-Mark Target
Piercing Mark (morph): "Decreased the duration of the detection effect to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. The duration of the Major Fracture and Breach effects remain unchanged."

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A bit overkill, don't you think? 10 or 15 seconds would have been good enough. 30 seconds was too long, sure, but 5 seconds is way too short. Where is the middle-ground?

No, 5 seconds is plenty, just recast if you really have too. I'm so tired of being zerged over because one chucklehead has mark

Koolio

NyassaV wrote: »

You just royally screwed magic nightblade in PvP when it was already lacking

My tried and true MNB gank build (No Caluurians) just got buffed a lot

ccfeeling

You guys huge nerf NB dps and tank.

NyassaV

Koolio wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

You just royally screwed magic nightblade in PvP when it was already lacking

My tried and true MNB gank build (No Caluurians) just got buffed a lot

Good for you what about the 5 other play styles?

Koolio

NyassaV wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

You just royally screwed magic nightblade in PvP when it was already lacking

My tried and true MNB gank build (No Caluurians) just got buffed a lot

Good for you what about the 5 other play styles?

They only want 1 playstyle for PvP MNB. Destro Resto Necro. Maybe they are changing that now but for the past year this is what the pushed.

Luckily I just made mine a 50k health tank because that’s the other playstyle THEY like