Soldier of Anguish (Medium)

2: Weapon Damage
3: Weapon Critical
4: Weapon Damage
5: When you deal damage with a melee attack, you have a 25% chance to traumatize your enemy, negating their next 5500 points of healing for 4 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

My concern is that this set has the potential to have easy 100% uptime (it can proc constantly in a "loop" - last for 4 seconds and can proc every 4 seconds - 25% chance is quite a lot) - effectively reducing ALL healing that your enemy can have leaving almost ZERO counter play. Might be even worse than sload set.

Spell Strategist is way too good, its perma uptime 500 sp for magicka users. Beats any other power set for nuking down targets. CD on proc should be increased or set nerfed in other way. Compare to Ravager uptime and difference is rather brutal.

NBrookus wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Just one tought rly, since you keep making magicka and stamina counterparts/similarities.

Where is the stamina Lich set?

It’s waiting with the Magicka VO and Relequen sets.

And magicka Fury. Indomitable Fury had me excited until I read the 5 piece.

That set I still think has potential.

Of the new blackrose prison weapons these are the only two of them granting DoT's. Clearly, one is much better than the other.

Perfect Wild Impulse
2: Spell Penetration
2: Reduce the cost of Impulse by 10%. Impulse places lingering elemental damage on your targets, dealing 3333 Flame, 3333 Shock, and 3333 Ice Damage over 9 seconds.

Perfect Razor Shot
2: Weapon Critical
2: Scatter Shot applies a bleed after a delay that deals 40% of your initial attack every 2 seconds for 4 seconds. The duration increases if you are further away from your target to a maximum of 12 seconds.

A 10k DoT from all elements over 9 seconds, that ticks of 3,333 every 3 seconds actually has some burst potential to it if timed correctly. Plus it has spell penetration as the 1-piece bonus. Compare that to razor shot which the 40% is calculated after resistances and you are left dealing maybe 2-3k damage. Let's assume the latter which is 3k, so 40% of 3k is 1.2k damage that occurs in 2-second increments AFTER A DELAY. Masters DW gives 1.5k each tick, which ticks every 1 second and has no delay plus the duration is a flat amount and not cut short depending on your opponent's distance.

If it doesn't get buffed no one is going to use this in PvE or PvP. Outshined by masters DW, masters bow, maelstrom bow, and even asylum bow. Promoting a play style that recommends you to stay away from your opponents in order to deal more damage is just silly. Honestly, don't buff it... just rework it entirely.

maybe on a healer's backbar running pulsar to start trash pulls in 4 mans while also preproccing grave-stake collector? (though I'd rather back bar a set and use a unique resto)

technohic wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Soldier of Anguish (Medium)

2: Weapon Damage
3: Weapon Critical
4: Weapon Damage
5: When you deal damage with a melee attack, you have a 25% chance to traumatize your enemy, negating their next 5500 points of healing for 4 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

My concern is that this set has the potential to have easy 100% uptime (it can proc constantly in a "loop" - last for 4 seconds and can proc every 4 seconds - 25% chance is quite a lot) - effectively reducing ALL healing that your enemy can have leaving almost ZERO counter play. Might be even worse than sload set.

that's effectively 5500 damage every 4 seconds that's unmitigated. its proactive oblivion damage.

Tested; it does proc every 4 seconds, and your target can't heal. It's worse than oblivion damage because oblivion has a counter (albeit a bad one): healing.

This set needs to 1) be affected by battlespirit (it isn't) and 2) have at least 2-3x the cooldown length.

Soldier of Anguish (Medium)

• 2 Items: Weapon Damage
• 3 Items: Weapon Critical
• 4: Items Weapon Damage
• 5 Items: When you deal damage with a melee attack, you have a 25% chance to traumatize your enemy, negating their next 5500 points of healing for 4 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

This set cannot make it to live. This is going to kill any semblance of PVP that requires skill. I've seen what this does on the PTS and it's absolutely mind boggling at how a person who gets paid to work on itemization could think this is a good idea.

First Sload's, and now this? For christ sake ZOS, make somethings actually require skill rather than light attacking everything to death.

I'm not sure how much longer I can stand to play a game where the balance and itemization teams have no clue whatsoever with how their game actually works

PureEnvelope35 wrote: »

Soldier of Anguish (Medium)
2: Weapon Damage
3: Weapon Critical
4: Weapon Damage
5: When you deal damage with a melee attack, you have a 25% chance to traumatize your enemy, negating their next 5500 points of healing for 4 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

Tested this with a few friends, whoever thought of this set really has to rethink their life choices.....

Just thinking about the sets you could combine with this... this will ruin PvP if it goes live without changes. Honestly after defile nerfs I’m amazed this mechanic is even being considered. I’d rather it not be in the game at all, but if it must, the uptime needs to be cut down significantly at the very least.

Kolzki wrote: »

“Spell Strategist (Light)
2: Max Magicka
3: Spell Damage
4: Spell Damage
5: When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you place a mark over your target for 5 seconds, granting you 500 Spell Damage against your marked target. This effect can occur every 4 seconds.”

Wow, either I’m missing something or there has to be a typo in there somewhere. That’s crazy strong.

This one is interesting and might actually be okay. That’s a lot of damage but only single target.

Personally I am hyped for:

Might of the Lost Legion
2: Max Stamina
3: Max Magicka
4: Weapon Damage
4: Spell Damage
5: After successfully blocking, gain 3 uses of Empower, increasing the damage of your next 3 Light Attacks by 40%.

Pretty good job with the new sets overall, besides Anguish. That’s too much.

Just wanted to point out that with all the new sets being added, it’s becoming increasingly necessary to add a keyword search to guild traders...

Feric51 wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

“Spell Strategist (Light)
2: Max Magicka
3: Spell Damage
4: Spell Damage
5: When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you place a mark over your target for 5 seconds, granting you 500 Spell Damage against your marked target. This effect can occur every 4 seconds.”

Wow, either I’m missing something or there has to be a typo in there somewhere. That’s crazy strong.

It's single target damage only. I'm sure it will get nerfed because of PvP QQing. PvE it would be nice for burning down bosses, but will have very little benefit to trash mobs, pulls, etc.

Just like Relequen is useless for stam DDs right?

I spend the evening yesterday to test these new weapons, and I got to the conclusion that I only see a few niche scenarios where a few of them they could be used over other weapons and sets. I'll go through them weapon by weapon and note why. Please post more feedback on them, I will use this thread to give them condesned fedback on all of these in our meeting next week.

Blackrose Two-hander:

While it's been stated that this is the favourite weapon for some of the devs, it is fairly weak. Not only is the radius quite small, it also is simply weaker than the master counterpart in every regard. With the master twohander, you get a shield, a bleed dot, can hit more enemies and do more damage against them. In PvP only a few classes use dizzying swing because they lack a good spammable alternative, and this weapon will not change this. In PvE, it is subpar due to all the reasons i listed above.

Blackrose Bow:

This one was interesting for me at first (combined with the range increase on scatter shot), but its functionality is again quite counterintuitive. Since the bleed dot is scaling with the damage it does, it does exactly the counterpart of what bleeds were designed to do: hit hard against high resistance enemies. This way, it does exactly the opposite: It kills enemies with low resistances fast from full range (since the damage of the initial hit is high against these), but doesn't do a lot against tanky enemies. It also increases the eficiency of the low risk high reward sniper playstye in pvp even more, since they can now snipe + scattershot you from full range and make sure their snipe hits you unguarded and have it apply a bleed dot on top of the poisoning. I see this being used, but not really in healthy way.

Blackrose Dual Wield:

The dual wield is quite bad. Yes, major protection is a potent buff, but three seconds is very short and will not save you from anything in pvp, since you have to actively use this skill. Blade cloak is an expensive skill, and basically spamming it every three seconds to keep the buff up drains your resources very very fast. In pve this weapon is obviously not gonna be used, since you'd be giving up quite a bit of damage for it and stamina has access to the aoe damage reduction through shuffle/elude now, which is more effective in terms of cost/benefit than blade cloak.

Blackrose Destruction staff:

I was excited when I saw this one, but the functionality completely kills it. Impulse is an aoe spammable for magicka classes. Well, spamming it with this weapon active will make the weapon do nothing. The first dot tick comes after three seconds, and then ticks every other three seconds for three ticks in total. Not only is that a bad dot design (since dots that hardly ever tick don't proc things, they are likely tobe cleansed before they do damage etc.), it also doesnt add up with any rotation in pve. EVERY magicka rotation is 8 seconds due tt elemental blockade, and performing the rotation will make you miss out on the last dot tick of this weapon if you plan on using it as an additional DoT. If this weapon generated ticks faster (one per second, or even multiple smaller ones) it would add a nice DoT to magicka classes that you can use to get more elemental damage in. The way it is now is underperforming and I don't see this being used, not even in trash mobs since, as pointed out before, you can NOT spam impulse and get damage from the DoTs.

Blackrose Restoration Staff:

I know it was designed for pve, but this weapon is not gonna be used in PvE. Master and Asylum Restoration Staff would outperform this basically anywhere, and even if they weren'T there, healers use olorime restos now. It is a PvP weapon for magicka classes that use healing ward as an emergency heal+shield, simple as that. I see this being used on builds, so this one is fine as it is.

Blackrose One-handed and Shield:

This one could be used on stamina builds in PvP (and one 4th Boss vHoF ), but again, I don't see it outperforming other setups. The reduced cost on shield charge is fine, but then limiting the next free skill to a one-hand and shield skill is very restrictive. It also forces you to slot shield charge AND another one-hand and shield ability, which many builds don't do, and will not do only for this weapon to work.


Cheers,

Masel

Masel92 wrote: »

Blackrose Bow:

This one was interesting for me at first (combined with the range increase on scatter shot), but its functionality is again quite counterintuitive. Since the bleed dot is scaling with the damage it does, it does exactly the counterpart of what bleeds were designed to do: hit hard against high resistance enemies. This way, it does exactly the opposite: It kills enemies with low resistances fast from full range (since the damage of the initial hit is high against these), but doesn't do a lot against tanky enemies. It also increases the eficiency of the low risk high reward sniper playstye in pvp even more, since they can now snipe + scattershot you from full range and make sure their snipe hits you unguarded and have it apply a bleed dot on top of the poisoning. I see this being used, but not really in healthy way.

Right. Bleeds are already very strong, so adding one that can be used from 28/41m away is just low risk/high reward. The playstyle of standing far away and spamming low risk/high damage attacks isn't good for the game, especially since ZOS is intent on destroying melee/tanky frontline playstyles that make the range damage dealers viable in the first place.

Except nightblade, because they can spam attacks from range then if it starts going sideways, get out of jail free with cloak.