Someone holler at me when combat team seems to have a clue about this class.

Wow, you change a WHOLE passive to reduce the cost of the class WHOLE 2 STAMINA ABILITIES. I cant. I really can not understand the combat team's thought process for this class.


Guess my stam DK(s) will still be on the shelf until next patch.

8 meter talons! (Did I do the math right?)

But not happy about the cost to power lash. Either remove the cost or make it undodgeable again (please).

Edit: looks like talons didn't get a range increase so I guess we got a slight buff with embers and eruption and a sustain nerf....

Except the good Eruption change, Words cannot describe how disappointed I'm.

Let’s see if I have this right.

My whip - the primary DK damage skill - loses three meters of range but gains two back from Elder Dragon resulting in a net range loss of 12.5%. In addition to that, I have lost a stun and the skill costs have increased by as much as 50%.

ZOS, I think I speak for many or most (all?) DKs when I say just delete the class and save us any future torture. With each update since May 2014, you have completely hobbled this once fine warrior class into a relative weakling in Tamriel. It’s like the transformation scene in Captain America: The First Avenger except you’re playing it backwards for DKs as they once were mighty Captain Americas but are now 90 pound weakling Steve Rogers.

I’m not sure if it is Rich or Matt or Eric or someone else but somebody at ZOS hates DKs with an intense passion I have not seen anywhere else in this game.

I'm honestly confused on where you guys come up with the decisions to continually destroy dks lol. Like seriously, who does your combat testing? A potato?

Yey Mag dk got ****** again, why am i not wondering ?

Just curios now that the power lash morph costs 1050 magica, will we atleast see a buff for it, like a cooldown reduction ? You know like you did to assasins will with the two stacs per heavy attack ?

And what about a change that fixes the bug that you just can walk out of the leap?

I guess the ash cloud dmg buff is nice for pve so thank you for that one.

venomsky wrote: »

i dont think that zos doing any combat tests..... stamdk now best snipe spamming class!

Why? its a ranged ability with cast time, the buff is only for melee abilitys with insant cast

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Wow, you change a WHOLE passive to reduce the cost of the class WHOLE 2 STAMINA ABILITIES. I cant. I really can not understand the combat team's thought process for this class.


Guess my stam DK(s) will still be on the shelf until next patch.

"reduces the Stamina cost of all Poison abilities"

Does it only affect class abilities or every poison ability? Okay, wouldn't make much difference anyway bc it's only two bow skills -.-

Let look at the base consumption of the current stam abilities used on a PvE stamdk, pvp would be derivative of this analysis.

Again current consumption at 160, no medium, no attributes, taken from fextralife:

Venomous claw 1147 Stamina(8.5 secs) -> 860 total loss of consumption: 287

noxious breath(rarely used, 8 secs) 2295 -> 1721 total loss of consumption: 574

poison inject 2430(10 secs) -> 1822 total loss of consumption: 608

now again this is literally a naked toon, no passives in any tree.

now all these skills are cast once a rotation so without the ulti variable, also noting that any .5 time in a skill means no damage lets move claw to 8 secs. This is probably the most expensive these skills can get as all passives make them cheaper and last longer. So mathmatical experiment let do a 2 min fight all skills cast on cooldown. no downtime or cast times. just literally top usage. basically all cast at the same time wait to tick and cast again(unrealistic but shows top consumption for skills)

venomous claw 15 casts total stam saved 4305
noxious breath(not on bis pve dps) 15 times total stam saved 8610
poison inject 12 times total stam saved 7296

total stam saved at highest consumption 20,211 over 120 secs = 168.425 stam saved per second or an equivalent of 336 recovery. s but most pve are vampires and all dps should have the cost reduction passives and skill damage passives. This is abysmal. Please some one link and do the math of a full spec meta Stamdk cost and I'll do the math again.

Also lets look at some selected class passives(not saying other class are perfect):
Templar does x physical/x mag damage per .5 sec (25% chance) while using aedric spear, more crit damage when spear skill slotted, cost reduction, weapon damage by 6%

sorc: reduce cost of mag/stam %5, stam recov 15% when deadric skill slotted, increase physical/lightning damage 5%, every sorc ability raises spell/weap damage 2%, stormcalling does x damage under 15% health either mag or stam or both depending on damage type done.

nightblade: increase crit with assassination skills on bar, increase crit damage done with assassination skill on bar, 15% all recov, max 4% mag passive for siphoning ability slotted.

warden: 12% recov for animal companion skill, 2% more damage per animal skill, 6% to mag and ice damage

dk increase damage and length of fiery breath, searing strike, standard 3%, AOE fire damage 6%, Poison skills 25% reduction, 500 recovered every 5 secs if poisoned/burned(if 100% uptime 200 recov), battle roar(omg the big one!!!) 46 of each recover per ulti cost( dd has 3 per sec ulti 250 = 84 secs = 479 recov) total recov in perfect proc world for a dd 679 recov non scaleable and is in a perfect proc world......

we have damage boost only on three skill for 3%, 6% on aoe flame damage(what eruption standard and engulfing? omg three skill again!), and 679 as a max recov..... I would put the stam part but its a variable that drastically changes... can a dk atlest get a passive recov like almost every other class who also has non invasive active skill to help with recovery(except sorc).

Still waiting to see and try to figure out how have you managed to improve sustain for magicka DK DD or Healer sustain ... I just didn't see it at all, might be I am tired or blind.

Taking away our whip stun is insane, make it deal more dmg now based on the percantage of the health miissing of the targeted enemy (execute skill) as you have taken our only good way of actually doing anything good. With new sets you have insanely boosted STAMINA characters again leaving us behind by ages.

TYVM for adressing range issue but does it work also on engulfing flames?

ZOS, like playing MagDK wasn't already enough work... come on.

Hey all!

I'll be focused on taking a lot of feedback from this thread. Personally, I think most of the changes were in the right direction, but weren't changed fully or correctly.

As far as stamDK goes, it's good to see them starting to take small steps towards the right directions. A couple of changes to passives oriented towards stamDKs are welcome and a good indicator that ZoS is working on creating a more complete poisons synergy gameplay for stamDKs. I do feel changes were underwhelming though, few passives and the net evolution of the class isn't enough, still a decent way from giving stamDKs what they really need.

As far as mDK goes, things went both ways. Good change to burning embers range increase, nice changes regarding ash cloud for PvE DDs and healers. Removing powerlash stun is actually significant buff to mDKs, but quickly counteracted by adding a cost to the skill. MDKs are arguably the only class that runs Equilibrium for competitive sustained DPS in PvE and PvP sustain can be very tricky post battleroar nerf. I don't really understand the reasoning for this change as the only argument provided by ZoS was a sketchy magsorc comparison. Both classes behave and play very differently, using that as argumentation to implement a change like that isn't justified.

Our next meeting with ZoS is schedueled for Tuesday next week, lets do our best to test things on PTS before attacking/praising them. Please keep the feedback coming so that we can still promote more and better changes.

Thanks everyone!

Why can't they just keep the range 8m on whip instead of nerfing it? Really really stupid change, I like the embers range buff, but reducing whip?? Slot force pulse everybody...