Magicka Sorcs, why do you jump all the time?

Kelces · August 2018

I heard, that at times a character in general can avoid snares that way. Not sure, if that's true...

Ragnork · August 2018

It is part of my rotation
light - light - 1 - r - 2 - spacebar - heavy - 4 - spacebar - tab - esc -esc- 4- spacebar - thump mouse off table - heavy - spacebar - did i use 3 yet - light - spacebar - q

Taylor_MB · August 2018

Shameless link to my own video on this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd4P_VvQoh4&

One additional thing I forgot to mention was jumping means your toon ignores the very dumb self snaring instant cast skills that for some reason exist in this game. Like MagBlades Refreshing Path gives major expedition, but the weird cast mechanic means you stutter as you cast it, slowing you down.

SilverWF · August 2018

swippy wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Why anyone running always left-right, forward-back with no reason?
They seen it at some pro-youtuber viceo?

if they're doing it for no reason then there's no "why" to it, but when i'm PvPing at range i seem to change direction at random because then people can't use prediction to target me; they have to rely on twitch. same reason you "zig-zag" when seeking cover from a sniper in real life.

You said it like ESO is non-target game

ku5h · August 2018

For quick scoping low hp players 5 rows deep inside their zerg.

Strider__Roshin · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

This is a Magsorc thing? News to me.

Haha good point! Nerf sorc runs deep! They got the blame for souls assault deaths in another thread earlier lol

Because the OP was speaking from a magsorc perspective.

Wollust · August 2018

The floor is lava

Banana · August 2018

My DK likes to jump to. Its what the cool kids are doing these days

Valrien · August 2018

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Excess of Red Bull, sugar and/or weed, probably.

One of these things is not like the others...

Odovacar · August 2018

I usually just see them streak away when my DK starts bursting, lmao.

ZarkingFrued · August 2018

Because they think it makes them harder to target, it doesn't, I still kill them. What makes you OP on a sorc is not repetitively spamming jump lol.

coop500 · August 2018

Davor wrote: »

That is how I leveled up in Morrowind and Obivion. I can' remember if that was a Daggerfall skill as well. So for almost 20 years, I am just use to jumping. I also do it when I play any character not just sorcerer. Old habit to break. Even Geralt jumps a lot. LMFAO.

It's good for his legs XD, jump Witcher jump!

xeNNNNN · August 2018

sorcs...magblades....occasionally even magdks I see a lot of them do it. Even stamblades with bows rofl.

Pnyx · August 2018

Too much sugar in the cereal at breakfast? Need to get to the bathroom in a hurry? Hemoroids? Personaly, my sorc has too much dignity to be seen jumping like a oat in public but he does on occassion in private at his house.

I recall the necessity of jumpin playing Quake back in the day, but I haven't had the need to do it since.

Cronopoly · August 2018

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Shameless link to my own video on this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd4P_VvQoh4&

One additional thing I forgot to mention was jumping means your toon ignores the very dumb self snaring instant cast skills that for some reason exist in this game. Like MagBlades Refreshing Path gives major expedition, but the weird cast mechanic means you stutter as you cast it, slowing you down.

/thread

He names all normal 3 reasons, Line of Sight around your environment (Hills, & Boxes etc), LOS to target players just behind another player, and avoiding some Self Snaring Mechanics inherent in the game.

Mondini · August 2018

Because sorcs are boring af so jumping reduces the mundane play style

swippy · August 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

swippy wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Why anyone running always left-right, forward-back with no reason?
They seen it at some pro-youtuber viceo?

if they're doing it for no reason then there's no "why" to it, but when i'm PvPing at range i seem to change direction at random because then people can't use prediction to target me; they have to rely on twitch. same reason you "zig-zag" when seeking cover from a sniper in real life.

You said it like ESO is non-target game

it seems like i'm not familiar with the terminology you're using here.

to guess, PC can't be that different, can it? if i want to hit a target on Xbox i have to put my sighting reticle inside the outline of a player during the time when i hit the button to activate a target-dependant skill (or LA). if my reticle is outside the outline when i activate the skill it will either miss or not fire unless it's one of those ground-based ones or a self-targeted one. if it's more difficult to hit somebody with an offensive skill, then it's more difficult to hit somebody with an offensive skill, right?

Starlock · August 2018

He doesn’t jump all the time. He jumps when normal people would jump - to clear an obstacle. And most of the time he just finds another path.

valkyrie93 · August 2018

because i like the sense of rhythm it adds for me

it particularly feels good to jump right before using mages fury on someone lmao

PathwayM · August 2018

I don't jump all the time but when I bounce it's actually on purpose for the following reason...

I studied martial arts for many years and one thing you lean is that motion helps to mask motion. This is why many competitive martial artists bounce back and forth on the balls of their feet. It helps to prevent you from telegraphing your strikes.

I'm not sure how much it really helps in this game, but that's why I do it in combination with animation canceling.

Kuramas9tails · August 2018

To get attention

Conduit0 · August 2018

Phage wrote: »

I jump around when I'm bored.

^ This.

ItsNebula · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

Kinda curious, i love to see peoples different reasons..
Personally, i jump because its something i did often in Halo and WoW and it just kinda carried over, i jump on all my toons..

Whats your reason that you "Spam jump"?

This is my FAVOURITE forum question mainly cos of the answers. Of Which I think many are intended to keep a veil of mystery about it!!

1. Total Banter innocent joke replies.
2. Those that 'know' about jumping
3. Those that jump but aren't sure why but do it just in case
4. Those that have 'always' jumped as it did stuff in other games
5. Those who want to know as think they should be jumping
6. Gummie Bears

From what I can understand the main reasons are to help movement, in particular on console, to help keep block up or to help timing. Many say about being harder to hit / altering hit boxes bur I'm unsure that it actually does it.

Many call for jumping in combat to cost stamina ^ if it did help targeting harder I'm sure ZOS would Do that.

I agree! I love to read the replies and what people say in comms, everyones got a slightly different story to it and its always fun to hear

Halo is by far the biggest reason why i jump so much, all i did in Halo was jump to make my head harder to hit while in game, kinda have the same mentality here but.. obv a headshot doesnt deal more damage

ItsNebula · August 2018

Warpig6Delta wrote: »

For me it's a timing thing. I know on a magsorc, the main combo rotation i do is Conjured War, Curse, Jump, Light attack, Conjured ward, Frag proc (if lucky), curse explodes, runecage, frag out, jump to execute. I know two jumps in a row is the time it takes for curse to go off. idk it's weird but it's like a rotation for me personally. On Stam sorc, always running, no jumping. Constantly buffed and major/minor expedition up with a HoT going on.

Answers like this is why i LOVE this question

everyones got a unique "thing" to it

Odnoc · August 2018

Usually when I am trying to loot something and it goes off focus.

Kanar · October 2018

We should revisit this discussion based on murkmire magSorc changes.

Does jumping help them survive, and what if it cost stamina?

Mayrael · October 2018

Because our whole train does it and we are like:

Choo Choo motherf***s!

NyassaV · October 2018

ItsNebula wrote: »

Kinda curious, i love to see peoples different reasons..
Personally, i jump because its something i did often in Halo and WoW and it just kinda carried over, i jump on all my toons..

Whats your reason that you "Spam jump"?

Healing ward incurs a momentum penalty of some sort sometimes. It's not consistent but if you jump and then cast the ward you'll already be moving and therefore you aren't getting weirdly slowed.

So people just started jumping all the time just it happens on other skills too but mostly out of habbit.

eso_lags · October 2018

Im not a mag sorc but personally i started jumping because it felt fluid if that makes any sense. Like a rhythm. Like a placeholder that is only another button you're weaving while you attack. But over time i realized it was actually a very good tactic to make you harder to target and hit..

Kel · October 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

Im not a mag sorc but personally i started jumping because it felt fluid if that makes any sense. Like a rhythm. Like a placeholder that is only another button you're weaving while you attack. But over time i realized it was actually a very good tactic to make you harder to target and hit..

Not true.
My favorite thing to do is hit a dizzy swing on a jumping sorc, knocking them into the air. Because of the extra hight of the fall, I can usually get a second dizzy swing in while they try to recover and hit the ground.
Never understood why sorcs do this, it doesn't make you harder to hit, it makes you extra vulnerable when you get hit mid-jump.