Maybe because this DLC is giving werewolf updates the next will be vampyr

If the vampire dlc is verandis I won't even bother, tho if its lamae bal .That would be a dream, I haaaaaate that pathetic excuse for a vampireIn rivinspire, just happily bending over for molag bal, and actually calling him master, pathetic just absolutely pathetic

My two points:

1) The feeding skill animation is just weird. A fountain of blood out of the victim? How... what.... huh? I'd prefer the kind of animation you get with Blade of Woe, where you "shadowstep" close to the victim and then it runs an animation of you sinking your fangs into their neck.

2) The vampire skills are kinda underwhelming and there isn't much point in having them on your skill bar. Not really sure what kind of a revamp would make them viable without making them "mandatory" for certain builds, but maybe you guys can find a way?

I don't consider myself a squeamish person, but vampire feed makes me nauseated to watch, the way it is. The giant torrent of blood and all the sloshing and slurping noises are too much. I think a stealth take down animation (like the Blade of Woe) would actually be less graphic, and much more enjoyable to watch. It also bothers me that it doesn't count as a kill or at least do damage. I think vampire utility would be greatly increased if it had stealth kill capabilities.

Vampire abilities are underwhelming across the board, but the thing I'd rather talk about--if I only get two things--is the appearance. The skin textures could really use an update. It's not only an issue of texture fidelity, but I'm also not the greatest fan of everyone becoming linen white, including POC. There are many more interesting ways to make something look undead. They don't have to look like old chalk.

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Suggestion: reduce the vampire health recovery determent to 10/20/30/40% (0/10/20/30% with passive) but make it affect all sources of healing (except healing from vampire skills). This will make the choice more balanced so that vampire won't be mandatory in endgame content.

No. Just no. Absolutely no!
PVP already has Battle Spirit which reduces healing 50%. Now you want to punish Vamp users by reducing an additional 40% in Stage 4 to active skills?!

1. Proper 5+U skill line.
2. Reduce fire damage against.

1) Improve visuals for tattoo's and makeup. There is no reason to fade a vampire's tats or makeup.

2) I feel like the vampire stages are kind of backward. You would think feeding would empower a vampire's abilities, but instead, you have to go through multiple stages of blood withdrawl, then finally stage 4, and you are supposedly at your strongest and have full benefits. Shouldn't it be when you've fed recently, that you would be stronger? I suggest you just flip the stages, have you need to feed to maintain your passives.

Vampire needs to be completely reworked.

A vast majority of endgame players run vampire because it is that strong. In City of Heroes, there used to be a stamina skill line (which, unsurprisingly, gave similar buffs as current state vampire); it was a no-brainer so much to the point that the COH developers just made the entire skill tree free and available to everyone at level 1. That is the state current vampire is in in PVE and for a lot of magicka in PVP.

Introduce vampire clans which restrict the massive generalized bonuses current vamp gets, but provides unique sets of buffs/debuffs that are good in some circumstances but awful in others. In order to ensure it doesn't just become as simple as changing mundus, incorporate a clan allegiance cooldown of like 3-7 days to ensure that people don't just swap clans based on the content at a whim.

1. I would love to see a full skill line. I main a Nightblade healer, and I think that the Vampire line could be an appropriate place to add a skill that could complement it thematically, using your health to damage foes/heal allies over time depending on the morph. I would love to have bats feeding upon me while healing my allies. It would look great with Bogdan.

2. I understand why people dislike the appearance so much. I did at first too. However, with the right outfit, the oracle eyes, and the Psijic face/body tattoos, my Vamp looks so good. I definitely do think that tattoos need to not be so faded though.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

1) Improve visuals for tattoo's and makeup. There is no reason to fade a vampire's tats or makeup.

2) I feel like the vampire stages are kind of backward. You would think feeding would empower a vampire's abilities, but instead, you have to go through multiple stages of blood withdrawl, then finally stage 4, and you are supposedly at your strongest and have full benefits. Shouldn't it be when you've fed recently, that you would be stronger? I suggest you just flip the stages, have you need to feed to maintain your passives.

^So much this!

Also, it just needs more skills. Werewolves get an ult and a full skill bar. Vampires get an ult and 2 skills. we need at least 3 more.

Here is how i'd see it:
Feeding stage 1: Vampire at minimum power of 25% of total damage done. Using any vampire skills will slowly reduce you back to level 1. To get at higher Feeding stages, you need to eat! You have a 10% stealth reduction, because hungry vampires are not cautious vampires.
Feeding stage 2: You munched on a humanoid, your abilities are now at 50% of their potential power. You get about 100 times the use of a vampire skill out of this feeding stage before you go back down to level 1. To get to higher feeding stages you need to eat more. Your stealth reduction is now 5%, you're not fully fed yet.
Feeding stage 3: You've been munching on humanoids regularly, power is now at 75%. You can use your vampire skills about 75 times at this time, but they are 25% stronger at this stage. No stealth reduction for a Vampire who knows when to eat.
Feeding stage 4: You love to eat don't ya. Power is now at its max. Vampire skills can be used 50 times in this stage before you are reduced to a lower feeding stage. A well fed Vampire gets a stealth bonus of 5% (on top of all your other stealth bonuses)

Just this would change the vampire game completely and mean players would stop using it as a glorified magic passive.
Only players actually wanting to play as a vampire would keep it.

Would a lot of players complain about their power reduction? Hell yea, but they weren't using it as intended anyway.

Also, the feeding mechanic should actually kill the target. Just leave an unlootable corps so its not competing with blade of woe. And even if it IS allowed to compete with blade of woe. you'd still need stealth to bite your target.
You';re a vampire, you are literally draining your target of their blood, why this does not deplete the heath bar of the target is a mystery.
And i agree that the bite animation should be of your toon going up behind their target and shove their face in the targets neck. Not the current stream of magical flying blood that "somehow" is leaving the targets body. It looks dumb and disappointing.

1. Want back a good bat swarm, esp clouding that makes you untargetable again, with the exception of maybe GTAOE.

2. better mist form, like 1.6.

I'd take +50% fire damage back for those 2 things.

It would be nice if you could see your tats in higher vampire stages better. The overlays could use some tweaking.

Devouring swarm should have increased duration, a 5 second ult?! Barrier last longer and heals better, make swarm great again!

First pain point — They look butt ugly. Get rid of the weird veiny skin, or at least allow us the choice to hide it. We obviously *can* hide it, since hardly anybody ever recognizes us as a vampire when we do quests for them. It is bizarre for someone to ask me to kill a vampire during a quest (I.e., What’s Her Name’s sister in the main Rivenspire story) without realizing that I’m a vamp myself. Even other vamps (most of them) don’t recognize me as one of them. If NPCs can tell if I am a man or a woman (thank you for that!) why can’t they tell that I am a vampire?

Second pain point — The feeding animation makes no sense. Make it more realistic. Compared to the animation for Blade of Woe, vampire feeding is pathetic. Also...is there any point to feeding? Doesn’t anybody actually stay in an earlier stage than stage 4??

1] why does the game discourage feeding as a vampire? (passives require high stage, feeding is unresponsive( long ugly animation that doesn no dmg and gives instant bounty in towns)
2] lack of interaction with your vampire self, too many passives no usefull skills.

This is a post i made in the general forums in a vampire thread that quickly derailed cause of haters:

Even back in Skyrim i never understood why a starved weakened feral vampire would be stronger than a strong fed rational vampire. You would think since vampires draw substance from blood they grow stronger the more one feeds. You could argue its feral instinct strenghtening them. But i see stage 4 as some junky going through withdrawal (you sure look like one). the passives of undeath and dark stalker dont scream feral to me a starved beast does not stalk its prey it jumps on the first prey it can find with desparation. Lions do this for instance; the can stake-out a warthog burrow of hours if there's no rush but if hungry a lion goes after the first living thing it sees and that can even be fish or at risk of life go after the bigger animals. imo the blood essence a vampire power takes from it victims its more rational for it to to power the current vampire passives. Furthermore in the game you often come across feral vampires when aggro'ed these ferals run in a straight line towards you and they only do light attacks. They never use dark stalker (stealth) like some nightblade mobs do and they sure dont become harder to kill as you dmg than.

This is why in Skyrim i could not be a vampire without the Better Vampire mod, This mod reversed the stage 1 to stage 4 benefits/demerits among other things. So you had to keep finding victims to feed on to remain the apex vampire out there.

Being a vampire in tamriel requires no maintenance and is boring, WW's get to feed on corpses to remain strong and vampires have to starve themselves, just makes no sense to me.

the mentioned mod:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/9717

What i also liked from this is that you gained new skills whenever you reached a x number of feedings, a more interesting progression to vampire 10 than just getting xp without the need to use your vampire abilities.

back to OP see no reason why you should not be able to hide your vampirism. As other have stated Tamriel vampires have been known to use glamours either to blend in society or to use in getting close to some prey. Game-wise you can allready hide your skin in so many ways so why not simply allow to use your Original skin, should be no effort and no more gamebreaking than the allready available options.

Hello, I feel like. Vampires need more vampire skills where is summon gargoyle or rise dead?