The PTS Scam (AKA THIS ISN’T A CANNED RESPONSE)

DoctorESO · April 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

For all the other players who have been here as long as I have on this game, we know about this ploy of PTS. Time and time again when a new update is preparing to come out and people ask for balance changes, the developers say to go on the pts and give feed back. However, many players and myself are tired of the bs shtick year after year for we all know no major change will come in the following pts updates after the initial one. I a dk main knows that come this Monday, will be no immediate changes like added snare removal to wings or a rework of passives that serve no real purpose. The Pts was and always will be a way to find and address bugs before live (even if a majority still make it out). I get embarrassed by Zos by the class feed back threads they make with some very good player feedback about needed changes, only for ZOS to go with its original idea it already intended for and them repeatedly saying wait for next patch. To sum it up there will be no significant change on the next pts I.e stun going back to crystal frag, snare removal on wings, etc.

One way to test this theory is for everyone to not participate in PTS and then see what changes occur from PTS to release.

KingYogi415 · April 2018

The pts Is just a free way for ZOS to find gamebreaking bugs.

They really don’t care about our balance input.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2018

Ley wrote: »

Just because they don't necessarily make the changes that YOU want, doesn't make PTS a scam or less valuable. They've already made the changes they wanted to make, PTS is just there to test those changes, make sure players don't find a way to abuse them that ZOS didn't anticipate, and help to identify some of the bugs before launch. They'll make tweaks based on player feedback but they're not going to rebuild major game mechanics this late before the expansion is released.

@Ley

I think there point isn’t about them, it’s about overall feedback. The post is extremely accurate in terms of collective feedback whether good or bad, they tend to go with their plans unless it’s an obvious bug or something isn’t working as intended.

Sure there are times they’ve made a change, but overall, it’s far less that they take PTS feedback and make changes. So much so, they’ve said in the last 12 months they observe threads, BUT often look at streamers for a lot of changes they make.

It’s not that th feedback given is going to make the game better or worse but it’s that the feedback isn’t acknowledged so people comprehend what fits their plans and what doesn’t. Sometimes if ESO Lbe they will take a very heated ongoing topic and make a remark but even there, less than often the changes aren’t those that make sense to those giving feedback...again, right or wrong, that’s often the experience since I’ve been on PTS which is since PC release.

You often wonder if they are just making changes for their own play styles and ignoring some feedback that’s been around since....before One Tamriel.

One example is the criticism of changes hurting PvE where some would argue it’s a better balance for PvP. Some of the feedback has attempted to seperate the two or make it so both can get the attn we think it needs but in ways that won’t cripple another play mode. On that specific idea, they e intentionally created a us vs them scenario being PvP vs PvE players even tho many do both.

Toc de Malsvi · April 2018

ZOS has made changes during the PTS. They changed curse to only off once but hit harde, then changed it to go off twice again with more time between explosions. Thats one off the top of my head, but you can go sift through the PTS patches. They make combat changes during every PTS, usually those changes come in the 3rd and 5th patches. They don't change everything and they don't change things just cause a group of people want it.

They have to balance player feedback with what they see from the server and statistical data. It is not a democracy and if it was only 15-20% of the player base would even be voting. They ask for player feedback on changes they want to make. They do not have to follow any of our feedback. They provide the game we want to play but no one group or conglomerate of players is financing most or all of the game. Their success as a company depends on the success of their descisions and the opinions of a small percentage of their players is largely irrelevant compared to the opinions of the player base as a whole.

Two wolves will vote to eat the chicken, making descisions as a company based on the opinions of one group is never a good option. Our feedback is merely that, it helps them have an idea as to what some players like, what is working, what isn't. Feedback helps locate flaws in the game that programmers missed. Think of feedback like comment cards at a restaurant, the restaurant takes note of them and they may influence future descisions, but they do not determine the menu.

SydneyGrey · April 2018

The PTS is mostly to address bugs, not make gameplay changes. So basically, if they change any gameplay as a result of feedback, it would probably be only after a LOT of people complained about one particular issue.

Not sure the O.P. knows what "scam" means.

Iselin · April 2018

The real problem with the PTS forum is that many see it as an opportunity to lobby for personal pet peeves whether they have anything to do with the current changes or not. They bring up 2 year old grievances or just invent new ideas they pull out of their ***. There is a lot of noise there that detracts from and hides useful discussion about the impact the actual new thing is having.

I'd hate to be the dev having to wade through all the chaff to find the hidden nuggets of actual on-point well thought out feedback. If it was me I'd probably create a system of volunteer class representatives to have them wade through and discard the chaff and give me a TLDR... oh wait, they did.

zParallaxz · April 2018

For all the people saying I’m using the wrong definition of scam or I don’t what it means, the pts is a scam in a way that it doesn’t provide what it advertises. Zos says plenty of times if you want to see change gives us feed back and use the pts. The thread I made is relevant in a sense of, if Zos doesn’t want to add changes except duration or damage increase/decreases, why is there class feed back threads at all? All of the class feed back threads give very detailed information on what their class is lacking or doesn’t need. This is my point, if the following PTS cycle aren’t for major changes in a classes abilities. Why waist our time asking for detailed feed back depicting what our class needs. Why waist time even using class representatives to compile the same data we show you now only to do the same action of going in your own direction.

zParallaxz · April 2018

I’m sorry if I have irked some people, but for me I speak from a magdk main perspective. Year after year, pts after pts we give detailed information before it gets derailed in threads only to see tampon fixes until that next “time of the month”. I’m tired of seeing the “we will look into balancing the next major patch”. If we don’t have this discussion now my dk brethren will have to wait another 4-5 months before we see another small change. I admit Zos is making changes especially with the changes to wings (even though it has no snare immunity lol) , but they have to be willing to do more in a pts.

DanteYoda · April 2018

I just would like Warden to be as good as the rest but it isn't going to happen and no PTS is ever going to change it..

Sting864 · April 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

For all the other players who have been here as long as I have on this game, we know about this ploy of PTS. Time and time again when a new update is preparing to come out and people ask for balance changes, the developers say to go on the pts and give feed back. However, many players and myself are tired of the bs shtick year after year for we all know no major change will come in the following pts updates after the initial one. I a dk main knows that come this Monday, will be no immediate changes like added snare removal to wings or a rework of passives that serve no real purpose. The Pts was and always will be a way to find and address bugs before live (even if a majority still make it out). I get embarrassed by Zos by the class feed back threads they make with some very good player feedback about needed changes, only for ZOS to go with its original idea it already intended for and them repeatedly saying wait for next patch. To sum it up there will be no significant change on the next pts I.e stun going back to crystal frag, snare removal on wings, etc.

By "as long as you..." you mean "less than six months??" I can't even imagine being in the game that long...
I've noticed lots of reduction/increases in percentages of damage from PTS to live...

Qbiken · April 2018

I´ve started to have more "good faith" in ZOS lately. They do listen. I made a few thread a while ago about sets in vMA not dropping purple rings and now it´s fixed. Sure it took 3-4 patches to acknowledge it, but ZOS does actually listen. As long as you are constructive with your criticism.

What should be debatëd/discussed is why certain things takes longer time than others to fix, and how that can be improved in the future.

WhiteNoiseMaker · April 2018

I have a very cynical and jaded point-of-view on the PTS now. I agree with the OP in that the 'scam' is in misrepresenting the intention of the PTS in order to gain more interested players participating in the PTS.

The only really relevant threads/subforums for PTS are Bug Reports. Any of the class and skill-line specific posts are always ignored. The only real purpose of PTS is to give free debugging feedback to ZOS. I've *never* seen any positive or negative feedback ever have any effect on the outcome of a patch iteration, NEVER.

I'm willing to consider the remote possibility that ZOS operating procedure has changed, but I'm not holding my breath. When I have time, I intend to go in, test what I can and make as constructive a report as I can on what I've noticed. I fully expect that report to never be read or even make it to the ears of any developer or community rep. This just has been my experience in the years I've been playing. I started off with my first PTS experiences being bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, enthused, and believing ZOS was awesome sauce. Now.... not so much.

Really, I'd much rather have the Devs and Reps be simply honest and say they only want bug testing and break tests. I think it's disingenuous and insincere for them to claim that feedback and change is possible, if you get involved in the PTS. It's a great big lie and doesn't engender any sense of trust or faith in the Devs and testing process.

Tasear · April 2018

They did a very good job. It will be fun next patch. >.> I might still go complain or something, but in my eyes it's looks good like more opportunities for people with tank and healer balances.

Iselin · April 2018

There are many people here in the general forum as well as the PTS who are under the mistaken impression that they want us to co-develop the game with them. They don't. You have to use your heads and realize what types of changes they are looking for feedback on and which they are not.

For example, there's a thread on the PTS (a poll no less, lol) from someone who wants the psijic skill Mend Wounds to go back to the drawing board and be totally replaced with something else because he thinks the functionality of turning your next light or heavy attack into a heal belongs to the resto staff and only the resto staff. He's welcome to his opinion but he is proposing a fundamental rework of a skill that has already spent months in internal development and his radical rework suggestion will fall on deaf ears as it should.

If OTOH you think Mend Wounds is OP or not powerful enough or the use window is too long or too short and you have the data to back up you argument and reasonable suggestions for improvement that make sense, that's a whole different thing. Those are the types of ideas and suggestions that could be looked at and tweaked, especially if they get the same feedback from many different players.

And BTW, the first week on the PTS is ALWAYS all about bug fixes and there are plenty of those to fix.

Aesthier · April 2018

The only thing that really begins to depress me is all the calls for NERF this and NERF that in the PTS forums at every expansion.

I am not talking the hey, this new thing in the expansion is a bit overpowered can we tone it down a bit nerfs.

It's the people who have a grudge against a class and existing abilities in the main game and when they get the beta access they think it's their opportunity to use their beta powers to nerf that old grudge into the ground.

They don't even wait till the see how the changes have affected their own class and how it might help them they just immediately go for another classes throat.

^ that is what I hate about PTS

zParallaxz · April 2018

WhiteNoiseMaker wrote: »

I have a very cynical and jaded point-of-view on the PTS now. I agree with the OP in that the 'scam' is in misrepresenting the intention of the PTS in order to gain more interested players participating in the PTS.

The only really relevant threads/subforums for PTS are Bug Reports. Any of the class and skill-line specific posts are always ignored. The only real purpose of PTS is to give free debugging feedback to ZOS. I've *never* seen any positive or negative feedback ever have any effect on the outcome of a patch iteration, NEVER.

I'm willing to consider the remote possibility that ZOS operating procedure has changed, but I'm not holding my breath. When I have time, I intend to go in, test what I can and make as constructive a report as I can on what I've noticed. I fully expect that report to never be read or even make it to the ears of any developer or community rep. This just has been my experience in the years I've been playing. I started off with my first PTS experiences being bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, enthused, and believing ZOS was awesome sauce. Now.... not so much.

Really, I'd much rather have the Devs and Reps be simply honest and say they only want bug testing and break tests. I think it's disingenuous and insincere for them to claim that feedback and change is possible, if you get involved in the PTS. It's a great big lie and doesn't engender any sense of trust or faith in the Devs and testing process.

You said exactly what I was thinking thank you, couldn’t explain it any better.

zParallaxz · April 2018

Sting864 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

For all the other players who have been here as long as I have on this game, we know about this ploy of PTS. Time and time again when a new update is preparing to come out and people ask for balance changes, the developers say to go on the pts and give feed back. However, many players and myself are tired of the bs shtick year after year for we all know no major change will come in the following pts updates after the initial one. I a dk main knows that come this Monday, will be no immediate changes like added snare removal to wings or a rework of passives that serve no real purpose. The Pts was and always will be a way to find and address bugs before live (even if a majority still make it out). I get embarrassed by Zos by the class feed back threads they make with some very good player feedback about needed changes, only for ZOS to go with its original idea it already intended for and them repeatedly saying wait for next patch. To sum it up there will be no significant change on the next pts I.e stun going back to crystal frag, snare removal on wings, etc.

By "as long as you..." you mean "less than six months??" I can't even imagine being in the game that long...
I've noticed lots of reduction/increases in percentages of damage from PTS to live...

Lol I don’t even think you’ve read the post. I’ve already stated a couple times they only duration or damage increase/decreases. But thanks for your time mate. P.s I’ve played longer than 6 months.

Ley · April 2018

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Just because they don't necessarily make the changes that YOU want, doesn't make PTS a scam or less valuable. They've already made the changes they wanted to make, PTS is just there to test those changes, make sure players don't find a way to abuse them that ZOS didn't anticipate, and help to identify some of the bugs before launch. They'll make tweaks based on player feedback but they're not going to rebuild major game mechanics this late before the expansion is released.

@Ley

I think there point isn’t about them, it’s about overall feedback. The post is extremely accurate in terms of collective feedback whether good or bad, they tend to go with their plans unless it’s an obvious bug or something isn’t working as intended.

Sure there are times they’ve made a change, but overall, it’s far less that they take PTS feedback and make changes. So much so, they’ve said in the last 12 months they observe threads, BUT often look at streamers for a lot of changes they make.

It’s not that th feedback given is going to make the game better or worse but it’s that the feedback isn’t acknowledged so people comprehend what fits their plans and what doesn’t. Sometimes if ESO Lbe they will take a very heated ongoing topic and make a remark but even there, less than often the changes aren’t those that make sense to those giving feedback...again, right or wrong, that’s often the experience since I’ve been on PTS which is since PC release.

You often wonder if they are just making changes for their own play styles and ignoring some feedback that’s been around since....before One Tamriel.

One example is the criticism of changes hurting PvE where some would argue it’s a better balance for PvP. Some of the feedback has attempted to seperate the two or make it so both can get the attn we think it needs but in ways that won’t cripple another play mode. On that specific idea, they e intentionally created a us vs them scenario being PvP vs PvE players even tho many do both.

@NewBlacksmurf

Balance is a delicate thing. Make a seemingly small change and there may be many unforeseeable consequences. I imagine ZOS don't take changes lightly. The forums are over saturated with feedback, suggestions, requests, good ideas and I firmly believe that ZOS see a vast majority of what's being said on the forums. I don't however expect them to respond to it. Most of the things discussed here are brought up over and over again every few weeks, going back years. Some of the topics have been addressed by ZOS in the past. I wouldn't expect them to respond to a topic every time it's brought up, or if they don't have a clear answer yet. Especially when the community here like to cling onto every word someone from ZOS says like it was some sort of religious gospel.

I'm also a firm believer that if players got all the (seemingly reasonable) changes that they want, it would kill the game. Players have their personal interests in mind when they make suggestions. ZOS have their financial interest, the replayability of the game, appealing to the majority of players (casuals who consequentially don't visit the forums), and the overall success/health of the game.

I work for a software company. I can't tell you the number of times a customer has complained to me "well I don't understand why you can't have your product work the way we want it to" and I have to nicely explain to them that what works for them, would break the product for a lot of other people. I apply the same sort of logic to ESO.

jedtb16_ESO · April 2018

KingYogi415 wrote: »

The pts Is just a free way for ZOS to find gamebreaking bugs.

They really don’t care about our balance input.

^this, kind of...

the pts is an opportunity to test under load. they've already done the coding, and tested it. now they want to find out if it still works with a lot of people running round doing unforeseen and unexpected things.

as for the feedback and the rather childish "zos doesn't listen thing" of course they listen, they wouldn't have asked for feedback otherwise. notes will be made about major concerns and areas to be looked at and, over time, on live decisions will be made on whether things do really need tweaking.

i like it like that. it means i get to play the game the devs wanted to provide for me (after all i did pay them for it) rather than some hotchpotch of mismatched, half-baked ideas.

JKorr · April 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

Guarlet wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Just because they don't necessarily make the changes that YOU want, doesn't make PTS a scam or less valuable. They've already made the changes they wanted to make, PTS is just there to test those changes, make sure players don't find a way to abuse them that ZOS didn't anticipate, and help to identify some of the bugs before launch. They'll make tweaks based on player feedback but they're not going to rebuild major game mechanics this late before the expansion is released.

Mm, yeah. Usually people use the word "scam" to imply that the other party is purposely doing something for some nefarious purpose. I'm pretty sure that's not the case here lol. It is simply not possible for ZOS to incorporate all players' feedback, and they also have their own reasoning for changing things or keeping things the way they are (that we may or may not agree with, but that's another topic).

TL;DR it's not a scam.

I don’t know why gamers would act like this, the GAME IS FOR US, not for god forsaken Zos. They need to make changes that appeal to US, not them. No other major game would make changes ” to meet their vision”, they make games to appeal to the customer.

Oh dear. See, there could be a very valid reason why ZOS makes changes based on their ideas + some player feedback. Ready? Who do they listen to? I totally 100% guarantee that if they made the game to appeal to me, personally, you would have an aneurysm so massive your head would explode. If they made all the changes you want, I'd run away from the game as fast as possible. What appeals to *you* does not necessarily appeal to me. When ZOS has to buff/nerf/change game mechanics, they have to find a medium place. And they will never manage to make everyone happy with anything they change, ever.

zParallaxz · April 2018

lol I told you guys that the pts is a joke

NewBlacksmurf · April 2018

Ley wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Just because they don't necessarily make the changes that YOU want, doesn't make PTS a scam or less valuable. They've already made the changes they wanted to make, PTS is just there to test those changes, make sure players don't find a way to abuse them that ZOS didn't anticipate, and help to identify some of the bugs before launch. They'll make tweaks based on player feedback but they're not going to rebuild major game mechanics this late before the expansion is released.

@Ley

I think there point isn’t about them, it’s about overall feedback. The post is extremely accurate in terms of collective feedback whether good or bad, they tend to go with their plans unless it’s an obvious bug or something isn’t working as intended.

Sure there are times they’ve made a change, but overall, it’s far less that they take PTS feedback and make changes. So much so, they’ve said in the last 12 months they observe threads, BUT often look at streamers for a lot of changes they make.

It’s not that the feedback given is going to make the game better or worse but it’s that the feedback isn’t acknowledged so people comprehend what fits their plans and what doesn’t. Sometimes if ESO Lbe they will take a very heated ongoing topic and make a remark but even there, less than often the changes aren’t those that make sense to those giving feedback...again, right or wrong, that’s often the experience since I’ve been on PTS which is since PC release.

You often wonder if they are just making changes for their own play styles and ignoring some feedback that’s been around since....before One Tamriel.

One example is the criticism of changes hurting PvE where some would argue it’s a better balance for PvP. Some of the feedback has attempted to seperate the two or make it so both can get the attn we think it needs but in ways that won’t cripple another play mode. On that specific idea, they've intentionally created a us vs them scenario being PvP vs PvE players even tho many do both.

@NewBlacksmurf

Balance is a delicate thing. Make a seemingly small change and there may be many unforeseeable consequences. I imagine ZOS don't take changes lightly. The forums are over saturated with feedback, suggestions, requests, good ideas and I firmly believe that ZOS see a vast majority of what's being said on the forums. I don't however expect them to respond to it. Most of the things discussed here are brought up over and over again every few weeks, going back years. Some of the topics have been addressed by ZOS in the past. I wouldn't expect them to respond to a topic every time it's brought up, or if they don't have a clear answer yet. Especially when the community here like to cling onto every word someone from ZOS says like it was some sort of religious gospel.

I'm also a firm believer that if players got all the (seemingly reasonable) changes that they want, it would kill the game. Players have their personal interests in mind when they make suggestions. ZOS have their financial interest, the replayability of the game, appealing to the majority of players (casuals who consequentially don't visit the forums), and the overall success/health of the game.

I work for a software company. I can't tell you the number of times a customer has complained to me "well I don't understand why you can't have your product work the way we want it to" and I have to nicely explain to them that what works for them, would break the product for a lot of other people. I apply the same sort of logic to ESO.

@Ley

It reads that the OP is saying that ZOS is communicating something that draws players to the PTS contained in their marketing to players to join PTS. Observe even the staff posts official threads for feedback but they don't even pin them on the first page........so from years of experience, it encourages players to give and provide feedback, but notice how its not managed and how intentionally threads and feedback is setup.

They sometimes ask for clear and concise feedback and other times...just post a topic that seemingly they have no intention to revisit as threads and comments that should go there, aren't moved and also, the PTS forum is just used as a general forum for PTS rather than what its marketed to suggest their intents and purposes are.

Let's look at what they are touching on.....a few examples:

Jewlery Crafting
Templar
Dragonknight
Psijic Order Skill Line
Summerset zones, quests
Nightblade
Warden
Sorcerer

I do testing for other games, other operating systems and even non-public content updates on consoles.
The format is often more structured and when those teams ask for feedback, its responded to and acted upon.

See, its not that anyone should get what they want, but that the lack of clear and direction communication produces this that the OP is pointing out. Its much more likely to change if for example....

PTS update 1:
-They locked us out of all other facets and had two threads on feedback for the main story and possibly one for Jewelry crafting.
-The next update, they'd lock us out of those two and force we play as two classes, and pin and create two threads for those and lock the forums to those.

You'd still have a trouble shooting topic, and general feedback but the forums shouldn't be open to any and everything like it is.

Its literally impossible to review feedback in their structure so ....that leads us here. All this is......early access for people who want to play it early and while there are those who do a good job of giving feedback, I often wonder how drowned out it becomes in the way communication is handled.

zParallaxz · April 2018

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Just because they don't necessarily make the changes that YOU want, doesn't make PTS a scam or less valuable. They've already made the changes they wanted to make, PTS is just there to test those changes, make sure players don't find a way to abuse them that ZOS didn't anticipate, and help to identify some of the bugs before launch. They'll make tweaks based on player feedback but they're not going to rebuild major game mechanics this late before the expansion is released.

@Ley

I think there point isn’t about them, it’s about overall feedback. The post is extremely accurate in terms of collective feedback whether good or bad, they tend to go with their plans unless it’s an obvious bug or something isn’t working as intended.

Sure there are times they’ve made a change, but overall, it’s far less that they take PTS feedback and make changes. So much so, they’ve said in the last 12 months they observe threads, BUT often look at streamers for a lot of changes they make.

It’s not that the feedback given is going to make the game better or worse but it’s that the feedback isn’t acknowledged so people comprehend what fits their plans and what doesn’t. Sometimes if ESO Lbe they will take a very heated ongoing topic and make a remark but even there, less than often the changes aren’t those that make sense to those giving feedback...again, right or wrong, that’s often the experience since I’ve been on PTS which is since PC release.

You often wonder if they are just making changes for their own play styles and ignoring some feedback that’s been around since....before One Tamriel.

One example is the criticism of changes hurting PvE where some would argue it’s a better balance for PvP. Some of the feedback has attempted to seperate the two or make it so both can get the attn we think it needs but in ways that won’t cripple another play mode. On that specific idea, they've intentionally created a us vs them scenario being PvP vs PvE players even tho many do both.

@NewBlacksmurf

Balance is a delicate thing. Make a seemingly small change and there may be many unforeseeable consequences. I imagine ZOS don't take changes lightly. The forums are over saturated with feedback, suggestions, requests, good ideas and I firmly believe that ZOS see a vast majority of what's being said on the forums. I don't however expect them to respond to it. Most of the things discussed here are brought up over and over again every few weeks, going back years. Some of the topics have been addressed by ZOS in the past. I wouldn't expect them to respond to a topic every time it's brought up, or if they don't have a clear answer yet. Especially when the community here like to cling onto every word someone from ZOS says like it was some sort of religious gospel.

I'm also a firm believer that if players got all the (seemingly reasonable) changes that they want, it would kill the game. Players have their personal interests in mind when they make suggestions. ZOS have their financial interest, the replayability of the game, appealing to the majority of players (casuals who consequentially don't visit the forums), and the overall success/health of the game.

I work for a software company. I can't tell you the number of times a customer has complained to me "well I don't understand why you can't have your product work the way we want it to" and I have to nicely explain to them that what works for them, would break the product for a lot of other people. I apply the same sort of logic to ESO.

@Ley

It reads that the OP is saying that ZOS is communicating something that draws players to the PTS contained in their marketing to players to join PTS. Observe even the staff posts official threads for feedback but they don't even pin them on the first page........so from years of experience, it encourages players to give and provide feedback, but notice how its not managed and how intentionally threads and feedback is setup.

They sometimes ask for clear and concise feedback and other times...just post a topic that seemingly they have no intention to revisit as threads and comments that should go there, aren't moved and also, the PTS forum is just used as a general forum for PTS rather than what its marketed to suggest their intents and purposes are.

Let's look at what they are touching on.....a few examples:

Jewlery Crafting
Templar
Dragonknight
Psijic Order Skill Line
Summerset zones, quests
Nightblade
Warden
Sorcerer

I do testing for other games, other operating systems and even non-public content updates on consoles.
The format is often more structured and when those teams ask for feedback, its responded to and acted upon.

See, its not that anyone should get what they want, but that the lack of clear and direction communication produces this that the OP is pointing out. Its much more likely to change if for example....

PTS update 1:
-They locked us out of all other facets and had two threads on feedback for the main story and possibly one for Jewelry crafting.
-The next update, they'd lock us out of those two and force we play as two classes, and pin and create two threads for those and lock the forums to those.

You'd still have a trouble shooting topic, and general feedback but the forums shouldn't be open to any and everything like it is.

Its literally impossible to review feedback in their structure so ....that leads us here. All this is......early access for people who want to play it early and while there are those who do a good job of giving feedback, I often wonder how drowned out it becomes in the way communication is handled.

Thank your for understanding, I called the pts a scam because it’s a total misinterpretation of what Zos has marketed it as.

zParallaxz · May 2018

I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG, all the people in this thread trying to disprove me were all wrong muhahahah.

President_PUG · May 2018

The reason I do work on the PTS is cuz I like to see how things work.This time I was given 200 million gold and more crowns then I could ever spend, and I tried to spend it all.Things I look for are things with unexpected benefits for everyone.It's neither a exploit or a bug. Something like finding out if you dead center your camera in options while placing household items, it sure lines up things like a marine barracks. I focused on new character creation. I asked for one button to have all toons get same game options as main. More Mark All As Read options instead having to acknowledge every single item.With 200 million to spend that got old quick. Just things that are unecessary to have to do every time.
The actual game content and computer physics were probably all decided at least a year ago.So if you want to be relevant in that area I suggest you research where computer technology will be in 2019.Getting a game made the way want it is not gonna happen in an MMORPG. Too many variables for how each computer handles the info. Developers can get you a showroom car, but your not gonna run nascar with it.
The worst thing about blaming a game for everything is that YOU never learn to adjust YOUR play style. Adjust YOUR settings, or figure out that one idea that gets you better results..I.E. Helping squash bugs.
that's all carry on.

zParallaxz · May 2018

I would be fine with that however, Zos has made the illusion to many of us that the pts and feed back threads help change the game and give ideas straight to the develops to make the car that they can drive in nascar. ......... for us to watch from the stands as fans